The Rains of Castamere.
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The Rains of Castamere.
"God's Beard!"
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Go away book reader. Show Robb was a man.
Screw her, he doesn't need her.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";60879129]Go away book reader. Show Robb was a man.[/QUOTE]
Oh please. That's exactly how he's portrayed in the show as well, the only difference is the age. They make mention many times of how he "wins every battle but is losing the war." Dude couldn't play the game of thrones well, so he lost.
Oh please. That's exactly how he's portrayed in the show as well, the only difference is the age. They make mention many times of how he "wins every battle but is losing the war." Dude couldn't play the game of thrones well, so he lost.
NYR
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Hahahaha, re-reading this thread in real time is epic!
It is hard to feel sorry for Robb when he honestly was a failure of a leader. But still...
It's hard to picture him as a 15 year old kid instead of a 26 year old actor.
I understand why book-Robb is supposed to be young and inexperienced, but with someone that looks like Robb on the show it's a little dissonant.
I don't really know how to say what I'm thinking, it's been over an hour and my mind is still exploding.
It's hard to picture him as a 15 year old kid instead of a 26 year old actor.
I understand why book-Robb is supposed to be young and inexperienced, but with someone that looks like Robb on the show it's a little dissonant.
I don't really know how to say what I'm thinking, it's been over an hour and my mind is still exploding.
Jibbajabbawockky
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'From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!'
Psychological Intellect
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Wait, Robb was 15?
this is some dbz teen gohan was actually 9 in the manga bullshit
this is some dbz teen gohan was actually 9 in the manga bullshit
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Not in the show.
Psychoward
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I just thought it was interesting, it was from the first book, with absolutely no spoilers, and was in the show. I just didn't feel like looking up the episode. I've only read the first book.
Almost every character is aged up for the show.
all Stark kids have been made older
ChrisatShinyLoot
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Not that the Frey thing wasn't a huge blunder, but his odds weren't all that good to begin with.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Every episode preceding this one now takes on a slightly different meaning. Pretty damn cool.
So how does it work now for The Starks and Winterfell:
From us the viewer it now means Bran is now lord of Winterfell?
But since no one in the show is totally sure if Bran and Rickon are alive that now makes Tyrion potentially the new lord of Winterfell since he married Sansa?
Also in the show if they believe Bran and Rickon are dead then the Stark name has ended?
Oh man...
From us the viewer it now means Bran is now lord of Winterfell?
But since no one in the show is totally sure if Bran and Rickon are alive that now makes Tyrion potentially the new lord of Winterfell since he married Sansa?
Also in the show if they believe Bran and Rickon are dead then the Stark name has ended?
Oh man...
Well, I admire her because she stood up for him and was ready to die for him. Man, this episode really burns.
Knew you could never trust those Boltons. There better be a reckoning for some of these bastards down the road.
"God's Beard!"
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I'm just saying that he's not 15 in the show. I've read all the books.
Rob was 16/17 in the books, jon is about the same age, sansa was 12, arya was like 9/10, joffrey is like 15? rickon was like 4? and bran was like 8 or 9 or something. Dany was like 14.
They aged everyone up in the show for obvious reasons.
This is accurate.
Hey can you put a note in here that this is a gigantic spoiler for Boardwalk Empire? I had been spoiled on it already so it didn't matter to me despite not having caught up on the show yet, but traditionally you don't post spoilers for other shows in threads unless you make it VERY CLEAR that it's a spoiler for another show, which you didn't do at all. Will suck when someone who hasn't caught the show yet reads that.
lol no offense but how could anyone not. soon as the door closed I knew either robb, cat, or robb's wife would die. and when Castamere kicked in I knew shit was really going down. Very heavily telegraphed with Cersei talking about the song.
excuse to play the national version again though! which is great.
Nah man shit was perfect. ALSO MAJOR WIRE SPOILERS
would be lame as hell for unstoppable spiderman Omar to finally be bested by someone close to Marlo or Avon or anyone else. Only made sense for someone low down on the streets, someone who had heard legends of Omar and had seen turmoil since he was a baby, to knock him out. anticlimax as climax.
you don't know what a red herring is actually. a red herring is really on the plot level, leads the viewers to an incorrect conclusion as to what events will happen or have happened so they'll be surprised later.
continuously characterizing the Starks as so plainly "good" isn't a red herring, it's I guess meant to make their deaths hurt more and to further point out the cruelty of this world. the drawback is that it means others are characterized as flatly "bad" in opposition. some people in the middle are ambiguously portrayed, sure, but very few interestingly so I'm finding.
but overall it feels like very bare manipulation to make a not very incisive point about medieval society.
they're older in the show, no? there's no way we're supposed to believe that guy's fifteen. Still you're right about how neither Robb nor any of the starks know how to play politics at all.
Sure I understand the subversion here, but I'm not sure that saying it's all in the interest of realism is enough justification. a narrative still needs to have a message to be compelling, and the only message I've found in the show for a while is "god this society is cruel as shit".
I'm not threatening to stop watching the show, and honestly this episode didn't really change my opinion on it at all, just helped me to clarify it.
SenjutsuSage
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Holy shit.... That's some absolutely brutal and ruthless shit. I honestly never expected for things to go this horribly wrong for everybody there.
I didn't think Rob Stark would ever die, much less for it to be in as fucked up a fashion as this. Wow, I almost want to cry. So incredibly tragic, I can hardly put it into words. This episode was beyond sad. Rob's child, his wife, his mother, his uncle and great uncle, all dead in a single episode. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the uncle that just recently married one of Frey's daughters is the only one allowed to survive this massacre.
It's a damn good thing Arya didn't make it there in time, or else she'd be dead, too. I literally wanted Arya to identify herself as a Stark to those guards blocking their way, believing it would absolutely grant her access to the inside of the castle, and then everything would be fine -- that there would be some closure finally on relatives that were split apart for one reason or another, because a very important aspect of that family was going to be made partially whole again. In retrospect, what I wanted Arya to do would have only guaranteed her own death also.
No Game of Thrones episode has ever pissed me off this much before. This easily tops the episode when Ned Stark was killed for me. I want Fray dead, I want Tywin Lannister dead, and I will never listen to another Michael Bolton song again!
I didn't think Rob Stark would ever die, much less for it to be in as fucked up a fashion as this. Wow, I almost want to cry. So incredibly tragic, I can hardly put it into words. This episode was beyond sad. Rob's child, his wife, his mother, his uncle and great uncle, all dead in a single episode. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the uncle that just recently married one of Frey's daughters is the only one allowed to survive this massacre.
It's a damn good thing Arya didn't make it there in time, or else she'd be dead, too. I literally wanted Arya to identify herself as a Stark to those guards blocking their way, believing it would absolutely grant her access to the inside of the castle, and then everything would be fine -- that there would be some closure finally on relatives that were split apart for one reason or another, because a very important aspect of that family was going to be made partially whole again. In retrospect, what I wanted Arya to do would have only guaranteed her own death also.
No Game of Thrones episode has ever pissed me off this much before. This easily tops the episode when Ned Stark was killed for me. I want Fray dead, I want Tywin Lannister dead, and I will never listen to another Michael Bolton song again!
"God's Beard!"
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yeah, but it's common knowledge they aged the characters up. One of the first thing the showrunners said when they were introducing the world to the show
Exactly, so using his age as an excuse for his actions doesn't work when you're talking about the show. It's completely irrelevant to the story.
iNvid02
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i guess so
they've just been bent over and fucked from the very beginning, its just not fair
as evidenced from everywhere on the internet, anders, you're not the only show watcher, and tons of people were floored in shock
RadixNegative2
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Ok I just went from liking this show a lot to fucking loving it.
Fucking unbelievable. So glad there's another episode next week.
Man, I almost had a panic attack watching that. Crazy to say for something that's just fiction.
Fucking unbelievable. So glad there's another episode next week.
Man, I almost had a panic attack watching that. Crazy to say for something that's just fiction.
Like episode 1 where Robb and his men arrive at Harrenhall to discover a massacre, pretty eerie forshadowing.
Psychoward
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Also, I guess this clears the way for a Dany/Stannis/Lannister triple threat showdown. Cool. Only if Dany hurries her ass up from Essos.
Starks have a long history of fucking up and getting fucked up. They were forced to bend the knee in the distant past as well.
David Incorporated Esq.
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Well that was Aegon, and a lot of kings ended up worse.
iNvid02
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I'm STILL in shock! How the hell am I supposed to go to sleep and wake up for work tomorrow morning?
And there's thunder and lightning outside
listen to this soothing melody
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa9CvDPXYNI
and cry yourself to sleep
Season 1 has epic foreshadowing during first episode it one interesting things when reading or watching afterwards you see all the possible clues
Psychoward
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";60880581]Exactly, so using his age as an excuse for his actions doesn't work when you're talking about the show. It's completely irrelevant to the story.[/QUOTE]
He's still, what, 17 in the show? That's pretty damn young when it comes to managing a kingdom. One thing I disliked about the Robb storyline though was they constantly said they were losing the war, when they never actually conveyed that until Edmure goofed up.
He's still, what, 17 in the show? That's pretty damn young when it comes to managing a kingdom. One thing I disliked about the Robb storyline though was they constantly said they were losing the war, when they never actually conveyed that until Edmure goofed up.
I'm STILL in shock! How the hell am I supposed to go to sleep and wake up for work tomorrow morning?
And there's thunder and lightning outside
I read the book chapter right before bed on a work night myself.
I know the feels.
I clicked this like a fool
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