Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 3 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]

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cj_iwakura

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It totally doesn't even matter now, but I've been wondering what is the bedding ceremony? Does everyone sit around and watch them consummate the marriage?

It's the same scenario that Joffrey proposed to Tyrion in Episode 8 that he declined. Men undress the woman and vice-versa, then they're put to bed.
 

Maddocks

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Now that I collected myself for that ending. I'm still saying wow lol Shocked at the outcome of everything but even more excited for whats to come.

All hail King Stannis. He wanted 3 false kings dead. One is dead, two to go.
 
I've been generally pretty lenient of book readers so far in this thread, but now I'm starting to feel like "NO BOOK READERS" needs to be in place for the season 4 thread.

Some of you guys are making this shit worse.

They are pathetic. Do they want a medal that they read a sci fi book over five years ago and finally get to gloat? It's just unseemly. Making matters worse is the fact that book readers have two entire threads just for themselves and still cannot contain themselves from wandering on in. I basically gave up on reading this thread halfway through the season because book readers, again, just couldnt help themselves. Whether it be through some oblique reference or strangely accurate intuitions this thread, much like to the Starks, is not kind to those playing by the rules.
 

big ander

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Of course people knew something was up that doesn't make it less impactful.
didn't argue the build-up nullified the impact anywhere. in fact, the build-up was kind of perfectly tense.

I have argued at other points in the thread that the deaths weren't ruinous because I was never that attached to Robb or Cat, though.
The way catelyn just stood there and then got her throat slit... fuck

This was definitely awesome. After such a chaotic and fairly rapid sequence, holding on Cat for several beats and then having a Frey slice her neck in such a blasé fashion in a still shot, then holding on the out of focus wall– pretty ingenious conclusion.
 

big ander

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Yeah. I think they carry them off put them in a room and wait outside. I wonder what the fuck Edmore is going to think/do. Frey probably wanted his Tully sperm or some shit. And where is Blackfish. God I hope he personally slits Rooses throat.

I'm feeling like Edmore's probably dead. Blackfish has a chance, real damn slim one.
 
Now that I collected myself for that ending. I'm still saying wow lol Shocked at the outcome of everything but even more excited for whats to come.

All hail King Stannis. He wanted 3 false kings dead. One is dead, two to go.

Technically he wanted 4, but Renly met his end as well. Stannis is on a roll of luck here.
 

Zeliard

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Robb was really a shit character anyhow... incompetent really.

Robb's incompetence is what made him a good character. Nobody wants to see some Wesley Crusher type saving the day all the time. It was refreshing to have such a prominent "good guy" character make so many bone-headed decisions while still not necessarily being a stupid person - just incredibly naive and with a lack of foresight. In a nutshell, Robb was a great tactician and a terrible strategist (not unheard of with real military commanders). He couldn't see the forest for the trees.
 
Catelyn breaking her promise to the gods(Lord of Light??) by refusing to love and accept Jon Snow as a Stark after he overcame his illness seems to have come full circle. Not only did she have to watch her first born die in front of her after begging for his life, but 'Jon Stark' would've been the perfect candidate to marry into the Freys for their support, obviously preventing this entire grizzly series of events from ever taking place.

One usurper king down. The other two actually deserve terrible deaths.Hopefully they get them.

I'm not sure Catelyn loving Jon would have been relevant. Jon is a bastard, and Ned wouldn't have ever tried to pass him off as otherwise. He was too honorable.

I'm trying to give myself a little more time before I rewatch the episode. It still hurts a little. That ending scene, god.

Save us, Arya.
 

Flo_Evans

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It's the same scenario that Joffrey proposed to Tyrion in Episode 8 that he declined. Men undress the woman and vice-versa, then they're put to bed.

An ok. Yeah I remember Joffrey suggesting it, I guess they showed them taking some clothes off as they carried them away tonight I just wasn't sure exactly what it entailed.
 

lamaroo

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Yeah. I think they carry them off put them in a room and wait outside. I wonder what the fuck Edmore is going to think/do. Frey probably wanted his Tully sperm or some shit. And where is Blackfish. God I hope he personally slits Rooses throat.

I'm thinking he's dead. Why would Frey give up his most beautiful daughter to him when they were about to slaughter Edmure's family. He's either dead, or the Frey's have him by the balls, which means there's no real reason to marry into his family anymore.
 

desh

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This place is hopping, compared to my usual foray into Boardwalk Empire threads. :)

Anyway, two things:
1) Great ending. It has been building for so long, and we all knew that was coming. If you didn't know that bad things had to happen, you really were deluding yourself. I had that same feeling we all had back before (Boardwalk Empire spoiler)
Jimmy bit the bullet in Boardwalk Empire's S2 finale
. You just have a deep sense of forboding. I'm just glad it wasn't Arya. That would have really demoralized me.

2) Also, the relationship between Rickon and Bran reminds me a lot of the relationship between the brothers in "The Martian Agent: A Planetary Romance" by Michael Chabon. That story brought tears to my eyes, just from the brotherly dedication the boys had, and I felt that tonight watching Bran and Rickon saying goodbye. It's hard to put into words, but if you get a chance I completely recommend Chabon's short story. (I read it in John Kessel's anthology, the The Secret History of Science Fiction which has a reasonable Kindle version.)

Anyway, haven't read any of the GRRM books, but this dramatization is top notch TV. Cannot wait for season finale!
I read yiur post before you put up that it was a boardwalk empire spoiler
 

turnbuckle

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The only condolence I'll offer is that however awful that scene was, it was much worse in the books reading it from Catelyn perspective, you guys got off easy compared the book readers.

no no no, stop comparing. many people watching this still plan on reading the books and any comparisons to the books with the show is a spoiler and against the purpose of this thread. no book spoilers, I don't care how minute. same with book readers teasing how things will get better, not to give up hope. just shut the Hell up about the books completely, why is that so fucking hard?!
 

Amir0x

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There's more to the killings that occur in this episode then a writer "having balls". There are a lot of historical parallels that George RR Martin and the writers of the show are drawing from with his work, and there is a reason for these deaths. They aren't a throw-a-way just to show he can kill them off. It's been mentioned in this thread before, but if you are interested in learning the real why's behind this scene (and a few other deaths in a Game of Thrones) without really being spoiled on the series, read up a bit on the War of the Roses and the Black Dinner events that occurred. These events may serve as the historical inspiration for the events tonight (and others), but it also gives some insight into why the deaths were important for the narrative.

It is easy to write the deaths off as feeling cheap (or easy for book readers to overlook the obvious historical allusions Martin is making by claiming that he is doing it to show that anyone can die), but the narrative is better served by these deaths then without. Just a few thoughts to consider when thinking about continuing the show.

I am kind of wondering why some people think it's 'cheap' anyway. Considering the world the showrunners built up - what we've seen with Ned and countless others - and considering the details of the plot, how else would people have ended this scenario?
 

Madness

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Fuck it, good guys don't stand a chance here.

Stannis is not evil enough which is why he lost his battle.

Team Lannister now. All hail King Joffrey the one true King of Westeros. Maybe if we make the bad guys fan favorites, they'll get killed off.

That look Roose gives Cat when she sees his chain mail is just sick.
 
Yeah, as soon as those doors closed I knew it was going to be really bad. Still though, that was absolutely shocking. Way worse than when Ned bit it.

I really love this show. One of the many reasons I love it is because you never know what is going to happen. But I do think I might be disappointed if at some point an older Arya doesn't basically morph into the grim reaper and violently slaughter a whole lot of people. Doesn't melissandra even make some remarks to her a few episodes back about darkness surrounding her? Does anyone remember the exact quote?

She tells Arya that she "sees a darkness in her, with eyes staring back -- green eyes, blue eyes, brown eyes -- eyes that she will shut forever."

Maybe that's Tywin, Frey, and Roose?
 

bill0527

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FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK.

Never been so shocked and upset at a TV show in my life.

I was in love with seeing Oona Chaplin on my screen every week. What a brutal death her character got.

God this is so fucked up i am an emotional mess and fuck me for me allowing a TV show to do this.

I want Daenerys Targaryen to get those fucking dragons .....fuck start at Casterly Rock...fucking kill all the Lannisters. Start with the Imp. I don't give a fuck even though he's my favorite. Kill every single one of those fucks. Then go to Kings Landing, line them all up, make them eat dragon shit, rip out Joffreys heart and spoonfeed it to his cunt of a mother. Line them up and make Tywin watch as his family gets a face full of fire. Then its his turn, and no saving throw vs. dragon breath for this mother fucker.

Christ what did i just watch. Goddamn it.
 

S.Dedalus

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It's late and I'm having trouble placing Blackfish...the guy who went to piss on a tree, right? Can someone refresh me real quick? I'm terrified of googling to find out who he is and how he fits into the story.

Thanks in advance.
 
It's late and I'm having trouble placing Blackfish...the guy who went to piss on a tree, right? Can someone refresh me real quick? I'm terrified of googling to find out who he is and how he fits into the story.

Thanks in advance.

He is Cat's uncle, Blackfish Tully. The one that a few episodes ago was taking Edmure to task for being a fuck up and such.
 

TheContact

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Just finished the episode and damn, I was spoiled about the Red Wedding a little bit but this was truly fucked up. I hope something really really bad happens to the Freys and the Boltons.

I'm glad the Direwolves death wasn't graphic, I don't know if I could take that.

Setting us up for baby Ned then seeing Talisa die that way....holy shit that was the most depressing thing out of all of this to me.

Show aside, I thought Robb's character did a terrible acting job when he was looking over the dying Talisa, his face seemed emotionless..or maybe it was supposed to be like that in the books? I dunno, I thought he'd be trembling or something.



Who do I root for now? For some reason I'm favoring toward Stannis, despite Mellisandre creeping me out big time. The Queen of the Dragons is just too far away from the major events right now.
 
This the most heartbreaking episode of the series so far. A mother witnessing the death of his son moments before her own death is the saddest thing I've seen. When Rains of Castamere was playing I feared something bad was going to happen but I'd never expected this massacre.
Walder Frey always seemed like someone who would never forgive people but why did he have to kill them all. It's not fair how bad things always happen to the good ones.
 

jvm

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She tells Arya that she "sees a darkness in her, with eyes staring back -- green eyes, blue eyes, brown eyes -- eyes that she will shut forever."

Maybe that's Tywin, Frey, and Roose?
Do we know the eye color of all those characters? Jebus, keeping up with the details must be nuts.
 
There's more to the killings that occur in this episode then a writer "having balls". There are a lot of historical parallels that George RR Martin and the writers of the show are drawing from with his work, and there is a reason for these deaths. They aren't a throw-a-way just to show he can kill them off. It's been mentioned in this thread before, but if you are interested in learning the real why's behind this scene (and a few other deaths in a Game of Thrones) without really being spoiled on the series, read up a bit on the War of the Roses and the Black Dinner events that occurred. These events may serve as the historical inspiration for the events tonight (and others), but it also gives some insight into why the deaths were important for the narrative.

It is easy to write the deaths off as feeling cheap (or easy for book readers to overlook the obvious historical allusions Martin is making by claiming that he is doing it to show that anyone can die), but the narrative is better served by these deaths then without. Just a few thoughts to consider when thinking about continuing the show.

I'll definitely take your word into account and read that stuff. I don't even have a real emotional attachment to Rob or Cate, but bleh, maybe it'll settle in my mind.
 
She tells Arya that she "sees a darkness in her, with eyes staring back -- green eyes, blue eyes, brown eyes -- eyes that she will shut forever."

Maybe that's Tywin, Frey, and Roose?

Oh yeah. That was it. Cool, thanks.

I hope it is them and every member of their extended family that she tortures and kills. But at this rate she probably won't make it halfway through season 4. Hahaha. Fuck me this show is insane.

Also I have not read the books and am very glad I have not been spoiled at all. Book readers should just stay the hell out of here.
 
I'm not sure Catelyn loving Jon would have been relevant. Jon is a bastard, and Ned wouldn't have ever tried to pass him off as otherwise. He was too honorable.

I'm trying to give myself a little more time before I rewatch the episode. It still hurts a little. That ending scene, god.

Save us, Arya.

It has a lot to do with Catelyn failing to keep her promise, I think. She never kept her promise to love Jon. I think it's appropriate on some level to say that she might be the harbinger of a terrible curse on the family, and now that she's dead, as messed up as this might sound, the luck of the Starks might turn around.

And I would expect, in especially ironic fashion, Jon Snow will somehow be the head of it. And Ned clearly was conflicted with the idea of Jon being a bastard or someone who couldn't properly be classified as no different from all his other sons. He said as much to Jon before he had him go off to the watch.
 
I would like to point out that the part where Jorah and them successfully return was extremely corny. There was no point for him to make some kind of face of horror to make us think Daario was dead. The whole scene was stressing really hard to create suspense when there wasn't any, it was weird.

Also, again with Dany just being given shit. Did 3 people really just take a city for her?
 

kortez320

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I think it's kind of odd the season is basically going to end here. The book is only halfway done and this is where the whole thing starts to pick up in a major way. It's going to be a painful wait.

Regardless the wedding I thought was pretty masterfully done. The scene where she pulls up his shirt to reveal the mail was really really awesome.

Oh and Catelyn getting her throat slit. Man that may have been the most brutal seen I've ever seen in any television show or movie. I'm not talking about gore either just the pure brutality of it. It was excellent acting. I had never really realized how well Cat's actress has done in her role.
 

Madness

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Fuck I'm sadistic myself. I've just rewinded and rewatching the whole scene like 4 times now. Such great acting by Michelle Fairley as cat. She knew it all the time. Begs Robb to leave if he can, only to see Roose stab him in the heart and say the Lannisters send their regards. Then as she screams and watches the life leave her son, gets her own throat slit. Fuck man, just brutal. Going to be dreaming about this all night and thinking about it all week.
 

lamaroo

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Lost in all of this is the fact that dumbass Jon Snow left when his brothers Direwolves were right there, and only whats his face and his girlfriend remained. Maybe there were more wildlings left and he's trying to lead them away from his brothers, that's the only thing that makes sense in my mind.
 
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