The Last of Us - Review Thread [Emargo up, scores in OP.]

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Boss Man

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When people are complaining about the scores of a game they haven't even played yet then yes, the thread is that bad. It's Drake's Deception all over again.

"How dare you rate a game that I haven't played from a developer I love less than 9.5/10!"
Is that really happening though? It seems like people just want it to be...

I feel like the Polygon thing is sort of a different issue.
 

Salsa

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3. They scored Remember Me, Dead Space 3, Kirby Epic Yarn, Metro 2033 and others higher than TLOU

this is the part I kinda don't get

I mean, if you dont agree with it then sure go ahead, but I dont get why saying that they liked other games better than this one somehow makes them SHADY, when you're talking about different companies that are not MS (supposedly where they get their moneyhats)

they're shady because of a lot of other things, not liking Epic Yarn better than a game that isnt out isnt one of them IMO

I mean, do you think Jim Sterling got paid for the 10 considering he tends to shit on everything?
 
This is an ad hominem. Can we argue about the merits of the review itself after we play the game?

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Valnen

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Why the fuck should I care about Naughty Dogs review scores? These are companies motivated by one thing, profit. Naughty Dog and Sony are NOT you're friends. They don't make games because they like you personally, they make games because it's an extremely profitable business for them.

Stop humanizing these corporations, they don't have your best interest in mind.

Maybe you should stop dehumanizing them. Many people get into the business because they have a passion for gaming.
 

Toma

Let me show you through these halls, my friend, where treasures of indie gaming await...
Polygon being shady; sure, I just think there's better examples of it's shadyness than this and some people seem to be confused on hatin it because of what you say and hating it because they're giving what people somehow consider a low score to a game they were ready to go batshit insane over

now i'd like some doritos plz

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There ya go.
 
1. Polygons shady relationship with Microsoft and the money hatting that's going on there
2. Arthur Gies saw the hyperbolic tweets regarding the reviews and had some interesting tweets to leave.
3. They scored Remember Me, Dead Space 3, Kirby Epic Yarn, Metro 2033 and others higher than TLOU
4. There just a shady site in general after the Sim City diabolical and should honestly be blacklisted from not just metacritic but gaf as well.

Personally, I don't understand why any of this is worth harping on. People familiar with Polygon know what they're about and whether or not they still think the site has any credibility and can react to the review accordingly. As for people who may not be terribly familiar with Polygon, why is it important to make sure that people know that the site is bad? There's no shortage of positive impressions. Are we concerned that people will be scared off from playing the game themselves based on one mediocre review from an outlet they're not familiar with? Or is this just about "it affects Metacritic!"?
 

imtehman

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Seems that today an Italian website broke the embargo, coming out with this:
http://i.imgur.com/0woOnjk.jpg

They retired the review, then some hours later...
http://i.imgur.com/QAFvRlg.jpg

I don't know if it's true or fake, but in the first case I would not surprised: most of the videogame 'journalists' in my country are monkeys without ethics and guts. And people like this deserve 365 days per year of shitstorm.

this is why i dont trust ANY review scores
 

Andrew.

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Friday, June 14th. Get off work. Pick up The Last of Us on the way home. Play for a bit while the girlfriend watches. Eat. Go see Man of Steel. Get home. Drink. Play The Last of Us until 3 AM.

Friday's gonna be a good day.

Fuck Superman. Just play this all night. You really think you're gonna be able to walk away from it after starting it up?
 

Order

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Yes it does matter. Its not going to effect my personal enjoyment of the game but it will effect the industry and THAT is why we are on here talking about it and THAT is why you should care as well.

Reviews do effect sales. And sales are pretty much all that effects what kinda or games come out and what kinda of games we have to play as gamers. This is why I care and this is why you should care as well.

I think gamespot increasing has proven its self to subscribe to the method of blinding throwing a dart and at a dart board to get their review scores.

In gamespot context Last of Us is equal to Fable: The journey (also reviewed by Tom Mc Shit)

Hell the game might not be a 10 in my book, but I bet it isn't going to be an 8. And my guess is you don't represent gaming and what gamers are looking for very well if you give an 8 to a game like this.
This is too much
 

Sn4ke_911

If I ever post something in Japanese which I don't understand, please BAN me.
this is the part I kinda don't get

I mean, if you dont agree with it then sure go ahead, but I dont get why saying that they liked other games better than this one somehow makes them SHADY, when you're talking about different companies that are not MS (supposedly where they get their moneyhats)

they're shady because of a lot of other things, not liking Epic Yarn better than a game that isnt out isnt one of them IMO

I mean, do you think Jim Sterling got paid for the 10 considering he tends to shit on everything?

Salsa works for Polygon.

TAR AND FEATHER HIM!
 

iratA

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UC 2 has like 10 setpieces that crap on anything in MGS4.....TLoU being developed by the UC 2 team basically guarantees it will also crap on MGS4.

Yeah I see your point, but I think its the first major comparison we have of the Set pieces and I still think it was a big comparison to draw especially when we haven't seen or heard of much in the way of set-pieces at all for this game.
 

Papercuts

fired zero bullets in the orphanage.
See you don't get it all.

It's not about having an "OPINION"

It's about multiple things...

1. Polygons shady relationship with Microsoft and the money hatting that's going on there
2. Arthur Gies saw the hyperbolic tweets regarding the reviews and had some interesting tweets to leave.
3. They scored Remember Me, Dead Space 3, Kirby Epic Yarn, Metro 2033 and others higher than TLOU
4. There just a shady site in general after the Sim City diabolical and should honestly be blacklisted from not just metacritic but gaf as well.

If it's not about having an opinion, why is this your immediate response to Gamespot's review?

Well fuck them to in that case.

Always knew they were Microsoft loyalists. No surprise there.

A mere ~3 minutes after being posted. You can try to build up some anti-polygon stuff, and that may have legitimacy, but a LARGE portion of the outcry here happens regardless of who writes it, and his point is dead on. It's hostile, juvenile, outright shameful bulshit.
 

antitrop

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I don't think GameTrailers is the score to be worried about.

Shawn's comment earlier in the thread has me fascinated for the Tom Chick review...
 

DatDude

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this is the part I kinda don't get

I mean, if you dont agree with it then sure go ahead, but I dont get why saying that they liked other games better than this one somehow makes them SHADY, when you're talking about different companies that are not MS (supposedly where they get their moneyhats)

they're shady because of a lot of other things, not liking Epic Yarn better than a game that isnt out isnt one of them IMO

I mean, do you think Jim Sterling got paid for the 10 considering he tends to shit on everything?

This point was reflecting my stance on how Polygon wanted to be the odd one out, so they could get the most hits.

Thus purposely scoring it lower
 
Seems that today an Italian website broke the embargo, coming out with this:
http://i.imgur.com/0woOnjk.jpg

They retired the review, then some hours later...
http://i.imgur.com/QAFvRlg.jpg

I don't know if it's true or fake, but in the first case I would not surprised: most of the videogame 'journalists' in my country are monkeys without ethics and guts. And people like this deserve 365 days per year of shitstorm.

What the fuck if true.
 
Is that really happening though? It seems like people just want it to be...

I feel like the Polygon thing is sort of a different issue.

Yeah, you can argue about difference of opinion if you want but we have a clear pattern which goes back to the founding of the site. This isn't the same as the Gerstmann thing at all.
 

DietRob

i've been begging for over 5 years.
I leave on a cruise the day it's released. I wish I could get my hands on a copy early.

Where is the OT for Last of Us?
 

sam27368

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See you don't get it all.

It's not about having an "OPINION"

It's about multiple things...

1. Polygons shady relationship with Microsoft and the money hatting that's going on there
2. Arthur Gies saw the hyperbolic tweets regarding the reviews and had some interesting tweets to leave.
3. They scored Remember Me, Dead Space 3, Kirby Epic Yarn, Metro 2033 and others higher than TLOU
4. There just a shady site in general after the Sim City diabolical and should honestly be blacklisted from not just metacritic but gaf as well.

Lol.

Polygons shady relationship? As evidenced where? Yes it's known that MS funded the documentary and they have been open about that. And I'm sure they receive just as much revenue from Sony from the massive TLOU banners I've seen all over the site.

Gies's hyperbolic tweets - I follow him and other journalists and I remember seeing just oas many tweets from journalists gushing over the game. So he's not allowed an opinion now?

3 - sorry I forgot you'd played and finished the title. And so fucking what if they did? Are those games not deserving? Maybe in your opinion.

4 - I forgot Polygon were the only journalistic outlet who got things wrong and jumped on the bandwagon too soon without thoroughly fact checking. We must single them out and burn them!
 

Boss Man

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This is an ad hominem. Can we argue about the merits of the review itself after we play the game?
That's a silly Wikipedia application of a logical fallacy. The argument is that they've received a ton of money from Microsoft and have shown this sort of behavior before. That's hardly irrelevant.
 

Salsa

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This point was reflecting my stance on how Polygon wanted to be the odd one out, so they could get the most hits.

Thus purposely scoring it lower

it wouldnt surprise me if they did do that, I just think that point was weird

Apparently you, Solo and others who have jumped into this thread have reading comprehension issues.

there are many posts to read here, I wouldnt jump in defending everyone here like that
 

FACE

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Bioshock Infinite was better than I thought it would be, but still fell far short of the "21/10, GAME OF THE ETERNITY, MADE ME BREAK DOWN IN TEARS WHEN I REALIZED THAT NO OTHER ARTISTIC WORK WOULD EVER AGAIN ACHIEVE THIS LEVEL OF TRANSCENDENT PERFECTION AND BEAUTY." reviews.

So yeah, my stance is one of cautious/suspicious/skeptical optimism. I don't doubt that it's a good game, I just expect that my own impressions will differ from the gushing reviews for reasons similar to Bioshock.

Not sure if it was sufficiently clear, but I wasn't disagreeing with you. I always become extremely worried when reviewers talk about how "emotionally gripping" a game is, but barely mention how it plays(although some reviewers did).

Who is Tom Chick?

http://www.honestgamers.com/9640/playstation-3/uncharted-3-drakes-deception/review.html
 
This point was reflecting my stance on how Polygon wanted to be the odd one out, so they could get the most hits.

Thus purposely scoring it lower

There's another possibility: the reviewer simply didn't like the game as much as other reviewers. As for their history, their past work speaks for itself.
 

Loakum

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Personally, I don't understand why any of this is worth harping on. People familiar with Polygon know what they're about and whether or not they still think the site has any credibility and can react to the review accordingly. As for people who may not be terribly familiar with Polygon, why is it important to make sure that people know that the site is bad? There's no shortage of positive impressions. Are we concerned that people will be scared off from playing the game themselves based on one mediocre review from an outlet they're not familiar with? Or is this just about "it affects Metacritic!"?

What's it to you if we choose to talk about Polygon? This is a thread about TLOU review scores. Polygon gave a TLOU review score....you can see why we're discussing this..right?
 
Maybe you should stop dehumanizing them. Many people get into the business because they have a passion for gaming.

Do you really think Sony crated the PlayStation brand because of their love for gaming? Do you believe Naughty Dog's main motivation isn't to make a humongous profit? Do you have the same emotional attachment to corporations like Colgate, Pepsi, Georgia Pacific, or Exxon Mobil?

These are for profit corporations who have 1 responsibility, to make as much money as possible. What Pachter said in the NeoGAF documentary was 100% right, some of the people on this site have this twisted idea as to why these companies are in business.
 
Man, I pre-ordered this game through Futureshop last year. And this game is shipping on a Friday...I won't get it for another two weeks or so :(

damn
 
Is that really happening though? It seems like people just want it to be...

I feel like the Polygon thing is sort of a different issue.

Its still easy to have an opinion on. I can look at all the 10/10's and then see the 8/10 and guess what that tells me something about that outlier.

Gamespot has a history of odd ball low scores that don't make sense and they aren't doing anything to remove that stigma.

Polygon isn't taken seriously and they arn't doing anything to change that either.

This is all it proves and you don't need to play the game to know this.
 

Orayn

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Not sure if it was sufficiently clear, but I wasn't disagreeing with you. I always become extremely worried when reviewers talk about how "emotionally gripping" a game is, but barely mention how it plays(although some reviewers did);

Oh, right. Some people were unhappy about me when I said essentially the same thing about BSI reviews.

The actual mentions of gameplay in these make me expect "pretty good," rather than "mediocre" like for BSI.
 

Toma

Let me show you through these halls, my friend, where treasures of indie gaming await...
Apparently you, Solo and others who have jumped into this thread have reading comprehension issues.

there are many posts to read here, I wouldnt jump in defending everyone here like that

Salsa is right on that one, some people are leaping to illogical conclusions about the review score itself.
 

Valnen

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Do you really think Sony crated the PlayStation brand because of their love for gaming? Do you believe Naughty Dog's main motivation isn't to make a humongous profit?

I do believe that many of the developers that work for Naughty Dog didn't join the industry not caring about gaming. There are far less risky and far higher paying careers out there. But they chose to be games developers. The suits at the top who control everything may be different and only care about profit, sure. But the people working on your games actually care about gaming (and paying their bills in the process).

It's clear you have a strong bias.
 

Boss Man

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We will ultimately just have to get the game in our hands before we figure out whether or not this is another GTAIV scenario or something, but if it turns out that the game really is as good as most publications believe - I would hope that this situation (along with everything coming from gies and all of the other things surrounding Polygon) might at least allow us to sit down and have a big serious conversation about Polygon, their potential interests, and their credibility.
 

Jarmel

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That's a silly Wikipedia application of a logical fallacy. The argument is that they've received a ton of money from Microsoft and have shown this sort of behavior before. That's hardly irrelevant.

That doesn't refute the quality of the review itself. People haven't argued about whether the criticism is valid but rather about Polygon itself. This is an ad hominem.
 
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