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[mightynine]

The best part is when it's time for the Xbox Two, they will likely issue a patch that "enables you to enjoy local games on your Xbox One without the need for an online check-in" so they can turn off those authentication servers and thus showing it was a bullshit DRM rule to begin with.

The big question is simultaneously. Even two people at the same time would be a huge deal.

Being able to play the same game at the same time is completely against what this whole plan is about. You might be able to play another game from that account at the same time, but once again, anyone who thinks this means you'll only need one copy for online multiplayer isn't paying attention.

 

[JABEE]

How fast is Redmond internet?

Outrage must be controlled.

 

[fred]

Bah, not surprised. This just means Sony may hold out for a bit, but these policies will eventually infest the PS4. Not even Sony can deny the big 3 for too long.

I disagree. Sony could quite happily go DRM-free with the PS4 without a problem, it's going to hurt publishers more than Sony if they don't release their games on a new console, particularly when you consider budgets for these games these days. Releasing a big budget title on only one console SKU is risky even in the middle of a generation, to do so when a generation has only just started with less than 2m consoles sold this year is suicidal.

You're going to see publishers supporting the PS4 fine if Sony do the sensible thing and go DRM-free. You'll also see publishers supporting the Wii U next year too due to having a superior installed userbase that shareholders and investors won't want their publisher to ignore. We've already seen this with EA's turnaround - one minute they've got absolutely ZERO Wii U games in development, a few days later they have them.

If the One flops as hard as I think it's going to we may see publishers dropping support of the One in a couple of years...and even the thought of that before this DRM hoo-hah started was unthinkable.

I really can't believe Microsoft have messed things up so badly. Unbelievable.

 

[Owensboro]

http://www.abload.de/img/newconsolesxekls.gif[IMG]+1[/QUOTE]

Dude, it doesn't help that I just beat ME3 for the first time 15 minutes ago, deal with that disaster of an ending (which I somehow remained unspoiled on) and then log on GAF to see [B]this bullshit[/B].

I mean, damn it. I seriously have never once gone into an E3 press conference with any other emotion then excitement. I'm now dreading both the MS and the Sony conferences. Maybe Nintendo figured this was going to happen and that's why they aren't at E3 this year: They wanted to get as far away as possible from the explosion.

Its......Its...... It's like watching a friend lose his damn mind to Meth. I want both of these consoles to be awesome and push the hobby forward.... UUUUUUUGGGHHH.

I hate overreacting, but holy crap I can't contain myself. I'm absolutely going to regret these posts tomorrow :(

 

[ironcreed]

Everyone who plans to boycott, sign it, and then we can see how many of them end up posting Forza 5 impressions come November.

I can take that list down to the Waffle House and buy a cup of coffee for .75 cents. What does that have to do with this?

 

[Respawn]

Ah, so the Xbox One is officially fucking abysmal. Well, at least I didn't have to wait til E3 to hope that I had to still care about its game library.

See you next gen Microsoft, hope you're not a bag of cunts then

lol

 

[Rebel Leader]

When I hear 70% of Xbox360 users are Live users. I think of the millions and millions of teens out there sitting in matchmaking right now talking about their lives and bad mouthing one another (seriously). I don't think of myself or anybody I know.

I feel bad I'm not really into watching a lot of TV or sports really. I might as well sit this MS XBox out. Sad, but true.

but which live? gold? or gold and silver?

 

[Agent Dale Cooper]

It's kinda sad I'm afraid to say how I actually like this sytem and think it's basically Steam but better, because there's a chance I'll get banned for it because the only way you can think that is if you're a shill. This thread is getting kinda crazy.

 

[Neuromancer]

OH GOOD LORD.

This is as bad as we always imagined.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Holy shit at those shills. It's almost as though they're mocking us.

 

[skarabrae]

So at this point, would those 15 or so exclusives to be announced at E3 have any chance of changing your mind?

I cover games for our gaming news site, so sadly I have to buy it.

With that said, I'm the only one in my crew (of five) that's actually buying it on day 1. Everyone else in my crew have their hearts set on the PlayStation 4 being their primary platform.

 

[GQman2121]

You know, I'm mostly okay with what Microsoft has announced. Obviously, the information is still fresh and I might get some things wrong, but I can see the benefits of this system and I understand why Microsoft has a "be-connected-once-every-24-hours"-rule.

That said, I believe there should be some changes:

- Instead of a once-every-24-hours check, I would have gone for 48 or 72 hours (because there are still lots of unstable internet connections in the world)
- If you want to gift a game to a friend, this friend has to be in your friendlist for 30 or more days. Remove the limit, I'd say.

And most importantly:
- Why not remove the limit that you need to login once every 24 hours, if the actual game disc is inside the Xbox One? It's like an absolute guarantee that someone owns that game at that very moment.

These are just a few things they should change in my opinion, and I'm probably missing something else too (this information is still too fresh). But again, over-all it's not too bad and I can see the benefits.

I think I am one of the few who, as a person who prefers the PlayStation-brand, is completely satisfied with these answers.

You can sell your games, you can buy used games and the reason why you need to connect once every 24 hours is logical: they need to check if you gifted a game to someone, shared library, etc..

There are only two or three things I would have done differently:

- Instead of a once-every-24-hours check, I would have gone for 48 or 72 hours.
- Why not remove the limit that you need to login once every 24 hours, if the actual game disc is inside the Xbox One? It's like an absolute guarantee that someone owns that game at that very moment.
- If you want to gift a game to a friend, this friend has to be in your friendlist for 30 or more days. Remove the limit, I'd say.

In conclusion, I'm pretty much satisfied except for the three issues above. If Sony would do this, I would be totally okay with that.

Four total posts.

 

[Majine]

So at this point, would those 15 or so exclusives to be announced at E3 have any chance of changing your mind?

Yeah, none of this stuff affects me anyways.

I'm not gonna boycott for the sake of others. It's not a political movement, it's a gaming console.

 

[nhlducks35]

If people in multiplayer games can cover the mic on their Kinect, they can scream "Xbox off!" during multiplayer matches and d/c everyone but them.

That's actually impossible because the Kinect can recognize your voice and your voice specifically.

 

[JLeack]

Deal breaker.

 

[Blueblur1]

What horrible, horrible fucking news. I will not give them a single dollar for that piece of junk. It is my sincere hope that none of you do either. Pass AznKnight's image online so people become aware.

 

[Raxus]

So at this point, would those 15 or so exclusives to be announced at E3 have any chance of changing your mind?

Is one of those games DRM DESTROYER! Destroys the DRM in your Xbox One when installed.

If not then no.

 

[SlowRevolution]

If you look, 18 out of 833 got the game. I am sick of seeing this image posted over and over. It doesn't illustrate your point it refutes it.

:lol I didn't even notice, that makes it even worse.

 

[derExperte]

1 FUCKING page out of 17. What about those other pages hmmm? Oh where there's NO pics or info about them.

And it's not even one full page so you know it stops there. But people will be quoting this pic for the next 50 years.

 

[rdrr gnr]

Another shill bites the dust.

FordGTGuy

I take it as you didn't appreciate him calling you a junior.

 

[SeanR1221]

Physical games aren't digital games.

Derp? I never said they were.

 

[rohlfinator]

Guys, there's no fucking way MS is going to let 1 game be shared between a group of 10 people. There has to be some sort of catch there. These policies show they want $$$$$$$$ and letting 10 friends share one game would kill sales. Even if only 1 of the 10 is able to play at a time. Can't see this happening.

Yup yup yup. They're not going to go through all this trouble to block off reselling/sharing, and then leave a giant open loophole that makes it even easier than before. No way in hell.

 

[Josh7289]

The big question is simultaneously. Even two people at the same time would be a huge deal.

To me it seriously seems like they'll allow the account holder and one (and only one) family member to play at the same time.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

If this shit gors down, know what would be cool?

If hackers jailbroke the xbone and also made a free xbox live service. Xbone live. Think about it. Hacked demoes, private servers for multiplayer games and betas, letting us resale discs to eachother on a "black market". Patching service.

The only thing you'd miss out on is DD arcade games and DLC unless you could dual boot firmware.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine#Application_to_digital_copies

Drm has nothing to do with my right to resell shit. DVD and bluray both have drm yet I can still sell that.

Of course.

Was just saying that it hasn't been applied in the US yet. We have no right to resell our e-books, software etc.

That EU ruling changes things over there, and hopefully things change here too.

But honestly, that wouldn't affect this since you can resell your digital games--just to authorized retailers.

So for that to go away there would have to be another court ruling even in the EU that said that wasn't good enough and that they had to allow for unlimited license transfers.

Which is really the way digital goods should work. Tie the license to an account, but give people full power to deactivate their license (and lose their access to the content) and transfer it to another user.

I think we'll get there. Just going to be lots of growing pains as we slowly move away from physical media and into a fully digital world.

 

[Soler]

How reasonable, make sure to post a variant of it every few pages.

Damn what the fuck is this cmon now
this is getting out of hand

 

[Spongebob]

So at this point, would those 15 or so exclusives to be announced at E3 have any chance of changing your mind?

Nothing will change my mind on getting this box as long as these policies are in place.

 

[kirby145]

Requiring online gives a better experience though. I would never play my Xbox offline.

 

[Rebel Leader]

My radio station:


We're like the xbox one, Always on and doing what we want.

Requiring online gives a better experience though. I would never play my Xbox offline.

and when your internet fucked up for a dew days... shit out of luck, eh?

 

[ThatObviousUser]

Give it to us, Sess.

 

[slit]

Please Sony, come save us. I'll love you forever and ever.

 

[EdibleExplosives]

Everyone who plans to boycott, sign it, and then we can see how many of them end up posting Forza 5 impressions come November.

Yeah bro, fight that good fight. A mod can feel free to perma me if I ever buy an Xbox One.

 

[MYeager]

Guys, there's no fucking way MS is going to let 1 game be shared between a group of 10 people. There has to be some sort of catch there. These policies show they want $$$$$$$$ and letting 10 friends share one game would kill sales. Even if only 1 of the 10 is able to play at a time. Can't see this happening.

I assume it means shared between profiles on the same Xbox system, as the current system works.

 

[Shard]

SO how many shills have we uncovered at this point?

 

[AstroLad]

PS3 and Xbox were SUPER redundant for me this gen, so I really don't need a reason to boycott per se, just a system among the redundant ones that has a clear advantage.

 

[BFIB]

Have to agree here. People already can't sell, lend, trade apps on their phones and tablets. To them this won't be very different. Xbox One will probably do pretty good sales wise.

I'll have to disagree here.

The pricing model for the tablets, phones, etc. is at the impulse level. Games are a few bucks (minus square's FF titles), but lending titles on tablets and smart phones is an entirely different market.

Gamers have been adjusted to their particular lifestyle for quite some time. Lending games, trading games, etc goes back to my childhood. It's one thing to remove some features. Its another to completely alienate a big audience who likely rely on used game sales to feed their habit, and keep their respective costs down.

 

[Freki]

This sums it up in a very precise manner - not very polite but precise...

 

[Jarmel]

To me it seriously seems like they'll allow the account holder and one (and only one) family member to play at the same time.

That would be a huge white light in a mountain of shit.

 

[Wahooka]

Guys, there's no fucking way MS is going to let 1 game be shared between a group of 10 people. There has to be some sort of catch there. These policies show they want $$$$$$$$ and letting 10 friends share one game would kill sales. Even if only 1 of the 10 is able to play at a time. Can't see this happening.

"Correct me if I am wrong but it says "Anyone can play your games on your console" basically if you aren't home and your brother wants to play the new CoD you have he can do it from his profile on YOUR MACHINE as long as he is listed as a family member (or some other marker) but it has to be your machine.

Ignore me the next bullet point seems to say different, I'm confused heh. Sorry

 

[Ranger X]

I am in for a boycott thread if you want to make one Amirox.

I swear I am ready to be listed on that thread, stickied on top of this very forum and laughed at the day (that will never happen) where I would buy a Xbone.

 

[Limit]

Dude, it doesn't help that I just beat ME3 for the first time 15 minutes ago, deal with that disaster of an ending (which I somehow remained unspoiled on) and then log on GAF to see this bullshit.

I mean, damn it. I seriously have never once gone into an E3 press conference with any other emotion then excitement. I'm now dreading both the MS and the Sony conferences. Maybe Nintendo figured this was going to happen and that's why they aren't at E3 this year: They wanted to get as far away as possible from the explosion.

Its......Its...... It's like watching a friend lose his damn mind to Meth. I want both of these consoles to be awesome and push the hobby forward.... UUUUUUUGGGHHH.

I hate overreacting, but holy crap I can't contain myself. I'm absolutely going to regret these posts tomorrow

Oh hey buddy, ME3 ending is good. The

Spoiler

starchild

is a metaphor for

Spoiler

rebirth of the galaxy, to be born anew

.

 

[Seik]

Fucking pathetic.

Damn you MS for shitting on an entire generation.

 

[Warablo]

Sounds so horrible. I want one, but I don't want one. MS is making it hard for me.

THIS

 

[ironcreed]

It's kinda sad I'm afraid to say how I actually like this sytem and think it's basically Steam but better, because there's a chance I'll get banned for it because the only way you can think that is if you're a shill. This thread is getting kinda crazy.

 

[Bunta]

Sony has the RFID stuff don't they?

Supposedly they said that has nothing to do with the PS4. We shall see.

 

[anexanhume]

Requiring online gives a better experience though. I would never play my Xbox offline.

So if your Internet went down you wouldn't play SP games?

 

[Durante]

I really don't think people outside of message boards care. Not minimizing anyone's opinion, but I just don't think most care.

Conversely, I talked to someone two days ago (who is not a huge enthusiast, but a regular gamer and 360 owner) and he surprised me by telling me there's no way he will get a One. But the really awesome part was this: he referred to some "animation based on se7en" which made up his mind -- over the course of our conversation I identified this as a NeoGAF gif. People are doing the lord's work here!

 

[Sydle]

Guys, there's no fucking way MS is going to let 1 game be shared between a group of 10 people. There has to be some sort of catch there. These policies show they want $$$$$$$$ and letting 10 friends share one game would kill sales. Even if only 1 of the 10 is able to play at a time. Can't see this happening.

The only way this would make sense is they hope to attract more people to the console, create accounts, subscribe to Live, buy online stuff, etc. For example, my brother doesn't buy games because they're expensive, but I know he'd play them with me if I bought them for him.

I wonder if MS really would make more money off an annual Live subscription than they do royalties from games. Then again, I don't think the publishers would like this very much, so there must be a catch.

 

[Camp Lo]

Ya'll realize that even though you can register up to 10 family members to your XBL account, only one family member may play in addition to the account holder at the same time, right?



From: http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license

The key word is "one".

Doesn't affect me but I guess no more 4 player stuff

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

I disagree. Sony could quite happily go DRM-free with the PS4 without a problem, it's going to hurt publishers more than Sony if they don't release their games on a new console, particularly when you consider budgets for these games these days. Releasing a big budget title on only one console SKU is risky even in the middle of a generation, to do so when a generation has only just started with less than 2m consoles sold this year is suicidal.

You're going to see publishers supporting the PS4 fine if Sony do the sensible thing and go DRM-free. You'll also see publishers supporting the Wii U next year too due to having a superior installed userbase that shareholders and investors won't want their publisher to ignore. We've already seen this with EA's turnaround - one minute they've got absolutely ZERO Wii U games in development, a few days later they have them.

If the One flops as hard as I think it's going to we may see publishers dropping support of the One in a couple of years...and even the thought of that before this DRM hoo-hah started was unthinkable.

I really can't believe Microsoft have messed things up so badly. Unbelievable.

How long will the Wii U maintain its, what, 3-4 million unit lead?