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[maabus1999]

Still counts as a SALE!!! The numbers should be fun this fall.



No way the servers survive. I assume GAF may be up for a few hours a day during the conferences.

NPD counts returns as a negative actually.

 

[Jarmel]

I was actually thinking about making a thread asking if college dorms still do this just the other day. I haven't lived in a dorm in five years, and I haven't worked near them in about two, but my experience has been that it's a bitch to get a console online in a dorm. The more tech savvy users could usually figure out workarounds, but it varied wildly from campus to campus, depending on how different universities handled the issue.

The college crowd weren't exactly a small part of the 360's market.

IT departments are gonna have to fix their networks apparently.

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

1. Apply for permission for Xbox MAC Address.

2. If 1 doesn't work, spoof the address as your Laptop or PC.

1 will get you laughed at, 2 will get you kicked and banned (if it even works).

NeoGaf is still a minority in the large scheme of things.

One of the most vocal and knowledgeable minorities, but a minority.

The X1 will sell to the casuals in great numbers in the US and UK, especially if there is a subsidized price plan. And the publishers probably know that, even with this pro-publisher DRM solution. And it is something they want enough that Sony not playing ball in some way (note NOT the SAME way) could lead to seeing the X1 had numerous exclusives, timed or real, extra support, etc... just so the publishers can promote sales on the platform they prefer.

I'm not convinced that this system will be an automatic "sell" to casuals. Is there a large contingent of casual early adopters that this system will appeal to? The early-on pace will establish the amount of support the system gets later on.

Like it or not, it is a pretty easy business choice when you look at the numbers.

No, it's insanity. To think that a company would willingly shrink the market to try and make more money...I can't think of a better word than insanity.

Bingo. That is why Steam gets those sales, because it is a strict DRM solution.

And honestly I love it (minus offline going wonky for me once in awhile).

GOG.com has sales all the time.

 

[Mr. Enigma]

Fucking disgusting.

Xbox One will be the first console I skip on since the Sega Saturn.

 

[Baron Aloha]

I knew something was wrong when a console only gamer ran into a PC gamers arms. DEAD GIVEAWAY.

Wow, that's great.

 

[xxracerxx]

NPD counts returns as a negative actually.

I was just being glib.

 

[hlhbk]

Fucking disgusting.

Xbox One will be the first console I skip on since the Sega Saturn.

You need to pick up a Saturn! Panzer Dragoon Saga was amazing!

 

[maabus1999]

Exceedingly complicated. For people who are more casual, it's going to be a headache understanding all this cloud stuff.

Ps4 seems much more friendlier with not as much complexity afaik.

Dunno, with no online req and letting each publisher do its own thing, you could get a whole slew of different DRM solutions on the box. Could become more complex if you buy dozens of games since every game might have to be treated differently.

 

[zeopower6]

Exceedingly complicated. For people who are more casual, it's going to be a headache understanding all this cloud stuff.

Ps4 seems much more friendlier with not as much complexity afaik.

Their planned RFID DRM or whatever sounded REALLY confusing when it was described. I don't know if we've had any updates about it since then though... x_x

 

[Bowdz]

And who are you proud Microsoft said, that you can play used games?
Only a gamer of a different code will try to act the same.
A code a rights a code of games, a gamer still has cash.
And mine is green and stacked Microsoft, and green and stacked as yours.
And so they spoke, and so they spoke, that company of Microsoft,
But now The One sits idly there with no one willing to play.
Yes now the One sits idly there with no one willing to play.

 

[Jest Chillin]

For now... if the blurb from MS is true; re "selected retailers"; what makes you think they won't exclude GameStop once/if they get terminal velocity/market penetration.

The fact that Gamestop sent out a mass email outlining the MS Press Release supports the idea that Gamestop is one of the selected retailers. Also.. the fact that Gamestop is probably the largest used game retailer in the world, it seems to me like excluding them would probably be a bad idea.

 

[teh_pwn]

Yeah, fuck all of that noise. I'm definitely not getting an Xbox1 at launch.

Shit is more complicated than filing my taxes. The canvas they paint with their relationship to consumers is extremely concerning.

 

[DangerMouse]

1. Apply for permission for Xbox MAC Address.

2. If 1 doesn't work, spoof the address as your Laptop or PC.

There goes the chance for most college kids to get it working.

Wouldn't number 2 risk you getting banned off the network or worse?

 

[Proposed Law]

So I won't be able to play Xbox One games in 20 years?

 

[~Kinggi~]

Watching Giant Bomb attempt to decipher the DRM press release had me laughing. I was inspired:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdp7HVVEiFU

Glorious. MS you fucking idiots you done fucked up hahahahaha.

 

[Neuromancer]

In the sleeper. Small flatscreen tv and a small pile of single player games keeps me occupied. Much cheaper than a motel.

Wow that's neat.

Well hopefully PS4 won't bone you out of playing games offline, good luck (to all of us).

 

[maabus1999]

GOG.com has sales all the time.

GOG targets a different niche as a primary business model. While they do have some modern games, the majority of users go for what it's titled Good Old Games, which honestly don't need DRM solutions.

Steam and Origin Exclusive titles will have zero chance of being on GOG for example, and I don't think GOG gives them enough competition to rethink DRM.

 

[Mr. Enigma]

So I won't be able to play Xbox One games in 20 years?

Correct.

This also shits in the face of deployed soldiers overseas.

 

[dreamer3kx]

Watching Giant Bomb attempt to decipher the DRM press release had me laughing. I was inspired:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdp7HVVEiFU

Seems like GB guys dont seemed pissed about this, I dont know I guess I want to see media and some of my fav peeps in this industry more upset about this.

 

[Agent Dale Cooper]

So I won't be able to play Xbox One games in 20 years?

Depends if you think Microsoft is incapable of hosting servers for Xbox Live for 20 years.

 

[teh_pwn]

So I won't be able to play Xbox One games in 20 years?

Likely more importantly: You won't be able to play them when your X1 dies and there's an X2. It's not like steam/Windows.

 

[Effigenius]

This doesn't sound as bad as expected.

The always on, 24 hour required check ups are still awful though.

Family sharing seems like a something that could be nice.



.

But we already have the ability to share our games with our family members on the same xbox. They aren't giving us anything here.

 

[DangerMouse]

You need to pick up a Saturn! Panzer Dragoon Saga was amazing!

I'm soooo glad I bought that game when it came out! That and Snatcher I could play forever.

 

[EternalTruth]

As Gamestop is clearly one of the specified retailers, and used games now being up to the publishers, will their stock go up or down tomorrow?!

 

[fritolay]

This is awesome for kids with divorced parents, with joint custody. Don't have the buy the game twice or keep the disc with them. Same for kids that spend significant time with other family members and such. IF this is for an account not the same XBOX.

 

[strata8]

Correct.

No. No one really knows and don't try to pretend that you do.

But we already have the ability to share our games with our family members on the same xbox. They aren't giving us anything here.

Except that every physical game = digital game. That's the reasoning behind all the compromises here.

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

Guys, i just got put on house arrest for the next two years, but it's okay though cause i never go outside anyway...

Just take the jail time, you have no more games to play.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Does MS realize that some college dorms do not allow consoles to connect to the internet at all?

The University of Washington doesn't restrict game consoles, or at least they didn't when I was there 4 years ago. So maybe they don't, if their only knowledge of college campuses comes from the U-Dub.

 

[eorl]

Would probably be the same in Australis as well.

Restricting the ability to sell to any party is also market manipulation (aka carteling); so they would probably get in trouble with ASIC as well.

Wait how has Steam been able to get away with that then? There are games released on Steam that aren't available in store, and the added function of not being able to re-sell or gift used games.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Correct.

This also shits in the face of deployed soldiers overseas.

I do think it was mentioned somewhere MS will have something in place especially for soldiers overseas.

Still doesn't excuse the anti-consumer practices.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Seems like GB guys dont seemed pissed about this, I dont know I guess I want to see media and some of my fav peeps in this industry more upset about this.

Why would the media be upset?

They get most everything for free anyways, and can write off purchases made for content. They're going to get all the consoles regardless.

 

[ironcreed]

I'm just going to throw this out there for the industry folk. Support this at your own peril. Blood is in the water, and sharks swarm to the scent of it. This is not going to go away just because of some neat games.

Good day.

 

[~Kinggi~]

Likely more importantly: You won't be able to play them when your X1 dies and there's an X2. It's not like steam/Windows.

Dont worry, MS will take care of that with Windows 9. Lol.......

 

[OutToLunch]

The fact that Gamestop sent out a mass email outlining the MS Press Release supports the idea that Gamestop is one of the selected retailers. Also.. the fact that Gamestop is probably the largest used game retailer in the world, it seems to me like excluding them would probably be a bad idea.

Without a doubt Gamestop is one of the select retailers. As much as the industry claims to hate them, they know they're a necessary evil.

On another note, how long before GameStop makes up their lost revenue with license transfer fee?

 

[2MF]

As Gamestop is clearly one of the specified retailers, and used games now being up to the publishers, will their stock go up or down tomorrow?!

Don't forget that according to MS, publishers can forbid reselling of their games altogether. If Gamestop's investors expect the big publishers to forbid this, the stock would probably go down.

 

[jay]

All this really boils down to two broad camps.

1. Collectors, people who don't have internet, people who replay games and keep their old consoles, people who sell their games themselves, people who rent, people etc. etc. who are severely affected by this and are understandably pissed off about it.


It's easy to think that camp 1 should be everyone--and it is a huge chunk of serious gamers for sure, but it's not everyone. Enter camp 2....


2. People who truly aren't really affected by any of it. People who are always online, people who only/mostly play games online (and wouldn't be gaming if their internet is down anyway), people who just trade games in (they don't sell on their own, or collect games to play again later), people who sell/trade their consoles when they move onto the next gen (thus no concerns over being able to play the games years down the road) etc. etc.


Some of camp 2 may be pissed out of the principle of the matter, but they can more easily shrug it off as it doesn't affect their gaming habits at all, and they can maybe some some benefits in not having to change discs etc.

Thus some in camp 1 need to realize that not everyone who isn't livid over this crap is a shill or fanboy etc. Some people just aren't affected by it.

Myself, I guess I fall in camp 1 as I do resell my games after beating them. But that's it--I'm always online, I don't collect or replay games, I get rid of my consoles when I move on to a newer generation and so forth. So other than having severely limited reselling options (which pisses me off), my gaming wouldn't be much affected by this. So while I don't like it at all, I'm not in full on rage/boycott gaming mode yet either.

I only care about things that directly affect me and have no principles or values.

 

[Mr. Enigma]

I'm just going to throw this out there for the industry folk. Support this at your own peril. Blood is in the water, and sharks swarm to the scent of it. This is not going to go away just because of some neat games.

http://atlantaseos.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/shark-feeding-frenzy-from-icisdotcom.jpg

Good day.

Resize pls

EDIT: thx

 

[CouldBeWorse]

Casuals go to the hardcore for the "which one should I get" decision though.

They did that for the Wii? Or Kinect?

 

[Agent Dale Cooper]

Likely more importantly: You won't be able to play them when your X1 dies and there's an X2. It's not like steam/Windows.

Says who?

Is my Xbox One not going to work when a new Xbox comes out? Is my 360 going to die this fall?

 

[razgriz417]

Seems like GB guys dont seemed pissed about this, I dont know I guess I want to see media and some of my fav peeps in this industry more upset about this.

They're just all confused during the video, they ripped into it quite a bit during the first half of TNT

 

[Neuromancer]

So I won't be able to play Xbox One games in 20 years?

You'd be lucky if you could still play them in 10 years, I'd say. Halo 2 got sunsetted after (I believe 6) years. Now yes this is a whole system and not just one game, but still. It'll be entirely at MS's discretion of when they think the service/infrastructure's not profitable to maintain anymore.

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

GOG targets a different niche as a primary business model. While they do have some modern games, the majority of users go for what it's titled Good Old Games, which honestly don't need DRM solutions.

Steam and Origin Exclusive titles will have zero chance of being on GOG for example, and I don't think GOG gives them enough competition to rethink DRM.

You're talking out your ass because I proved you wrong. GOG.com is a perfect example of a website that doesn't use DRM and yet still has fantastic sales. Modern games included. There is no connection between sales and DRM.

Steam and Origin exclusive titles won't be on GOG because they're Steam and Origin exclusive. Yes. What was the point of saying that?

Plenty of games get released on GOG first and then on Steam, and when they do, they don't have DRM. The fact that there's competition at all helps.

 

[eznark]

Wait how has Steam been able to get away with that then? There are games released on Steam that aren't available in store, and the added function of not being able to re-sell or gift used games.

They really train you guys well.

 

[TAJ]

Likely more importantly: You won't be able to play them when your X1 dies and there's an X2. It's not like steam/Windows.

All of my consoles still work except my Dreamcast, even the 35yo ones. The Dreamcast probably just needs a drive alignment.

 

[mikey1123]

A little scary seeing people try to justify this.

 

[sometimes i game]

I'm personally shocked at how plainly anti-consumer this is. They're not even hyping up "BECAUSE OF THE CLOUD" like I expected to justify it. Just "fuck you, we side with greedy pubs."

It's weird that Wii U doesn't do this. It's going to get some games after all, like Watch Dogs.

 

[SolarPowered]

This is one hell of a racket they're trying to run. It's funny seeing people enter the bargaining and acceptance phases already lol.

Looks like I can already cross out one of the big three. Time to see if Sony wants my money. Fuck the big publishers.

 

[Trouble]

Seems like GB guys dont seemed pissed about this, I dont know I guess I want to see media and some of my fav peeps in this industry more upset about this.

They seem more confused than anything else. Also, I think media folk will tend to approach this more dispassionately than your average gamer. They will get to play most games for free no matter what. It may color their personal purchases, but they won't miss out in the same way as someone who skips the console entirely.

 

[LCfiner]

Seems like GB guys dont seemed pissed about this, I dont know I guess I want to see media and some of my fav peeps in this industry more upset about this.

the full video shows a wider range of negative reaction to the details. it's around 40 minutes. they pretty much all think it's too complex and a few of them are quite upset at the restrictions.

 

[rohlfinator]

Depends if you think Microsoft is incapable of hosting servers for Xbox Live for 20 years.

Well they made it about 8 for the first Xbox Live, so...