Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing (24 hour check-in) and Privacy Features
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Very nice one.
Wildstar75
Member
Would save me money but this doesn't sound like something Publishers would want or agree to in exchange for drm. They will lose a lot of money from my family.
Yep, probably because of the transition to the new XBL accounts and stuff. I expect some sort of replacement as they're mentioning family members in the press announcement.
Then there would be other games that do not require online at all.
Impossible if the (current) overwhelming support of the PS4 translate into sales. The install base would be 2X the size of the XBO.
We're not discussing the price of content on smartphones--I get what you're saying. We're discussing that BECAUSE of smart phones, the average consumer has knowledge of DRM and licensing issues so they will be able to understand and make an informed decision about the XBO.
1. Apply for permission for Xbox MAC Address.
2. If 1 doesn't work, spoof the address as your Laptop or PC.
KingJ2002
Member
With that said... I havent bought a PC game in years
Something being ridiculous simply means it's deserving of scorn.
Duxxy3
Member
Everyone just pirated everything before steam. Steam games are cheap because the alternative is the publishers not getting a single dime.
CouldBeWorse
Member
People will follow the games and their friends. And I think we gamers can overestimate how much the more casual gamers (2-3 games/year) care about this stuff.
Watching Giant Bomb attempt to decipher the DRM press release had me laughing. I was inspired:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdp7HVVEiFU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdp7HVVEiFU
maabus1999
Member
NeoGaf is still a minority in the large scheme of things.
One of the most vocal and knowledgeable minorities, but a minority.
The X1 will sell to the casuals in great numbers in the US and UK, especially if there is a subsidized price plan. And the publishers probably know that, even with this pro-publisher DRM solution. And it is something they want enough that Sony not playing ball in some way (note NOT the SAME way) could lead to seeing the X1 had numerous exclusives, timed or real, extra support, etc... just so the publishers can promote sales on the platform they prefer.
Like it or not, it is a pretty easy business choice when you look at the numbers.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Agent Dale Cooper
Banned
I can imagine a scenario in which Sony first party games don't require online, but every single third party game has their own Xbox style system in place.
Are you serious?
Fox Mulder
Member
Games are games. This DRM is enough to make people claim they'll give up console gaming.
Bans were given out, gifs were made, hyperbolic statements were made and post count went up at a dramatic rate.
If this isn't a meltdown then I don't know what is. At the very least this is a "shitstorm".
maabus1999
Member
Bingo. That is why Steam gets those sales, because it is a strict DRM solution.
And honestly I love it (minus offline going wonky for me once in awhile).
R_thanatos
Member
GAF you're so fast !
Page 52 (100pp) !
Anyway ..This restrictions are deal breaker for me.
NO
I don't care about the games the principles , my principles dictate that i won't buy this console.
Page 52 (100pp) !
Anyway ..This restrictions are deal breaker for me.
NO
I don't care about the games the principles , my principles dictate that i won't buy this console.
For now... if the blurb from MS is true; re "selected retailers"; what makes you think they won't exclude GameStop once/if they get terminal velocity/market penetration.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Those kinds of people will take it home, plug it in, put their game in, not be able to figure out why the game won't play, and return the console to the store they bought it from.
I wonder if MS knows just how crazy their return rate is going to be if this thing launches with the digital model they have announced.
Yeah that shit was hilarious.
It's more like 60% and that's over 30 million that aren't.
CouldBeWorse
Member
I tend to agree with you for the big publishers' games.
Not the small guys or the indies though.
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
It gives me bad flashbacks to when I had problems with my 360 and exchanging the console activated the stricter DRM as you were putting your games on a second console. Basically I couldn't play any of my previously downloaded games unless I signed into the internet, because I exchanged the console through the retail store instead of waiting weeks to put it through microsoft.
I wonder if they ever got a solution for that.
Has anyone with MS support clarified the issue regarding giving games to friends? The release doesn't necessarily suggest the game can only be transferred once but that a person who owns it can only gift it to one person, not multiple. Seems like most interpret it to mean the license can never be transferred again but, like I said before, that seems unnecessarily complicated.
Agent Dale Cooper
Banned
Steam gets sales because software sales decrease and sales are an attempt to bump income up.
It doesn't get sales *because* of anything other than wanting to increase revenue. They do it (they being publishers) because they want to improve their sales. That's it.
I wouldn't say lots. SimCity, Diablo 3, some ubisoft games. Other than that you have games that are multiplayer only anyway.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Best thing out of all of this :- We have basically done a test run of the E3 conference.
Hopefully Gaf wont go down as much as it has been recently.
Hopefully Gaf wont go down as much as it has been recently.
Fox Mulder
Member
This is amazing.
Still counts as a SALE!!! The numbers should be fun this fall.
No way the servers survive. I assume GAF may be up for a few hours a day during the conferences.
The_Darkest_Red
Member
Amazing!
Casuals go to the hardcore for the "which one should I get" decision though.
It is very much not just steam that gets sales like that!
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
There's a DRM transfer tool, but you can only use it once every six months last I checked. Plus you have to download new keys for everything you bought. The downloads are lightning fast, but it's quite tedious if you have a lot.
makingmusic476
Member
I was actually thinking about making a thread asking if college dorms still do this just the other day. I haven't lived in a dorm in five years, and I haven't worked near them in about two, but my experience has been that it's a bitch to get a console online in a dorm. The more tech savvy users could usually figure out workarounds, but it varied wildly from campus to campus, depending on how different universities handled the issue.
The college crowd weren't exactly a small part of the 360's market.
Fox Mulder
Member
Yes, they made a digital license tool that consolidated everything to one console, and would even do it for you if you sent a RROD in to them.
As pointed out earlier, Microsoft fully realizes that some dorm rooms don't allow consoles to connect. They realize that people like the truck driver who posted earlier, can't always connect to the Internet every 24 hours. They know that members of the U.S. armed forces currently overseas, living in a tent in the middle of the fucking desert, can't connect.
They don't want you as a customer.
They don't want you as a customer.
Did you get that?
They don't want you as a customer because if you aren't online, you can't buy your games digitally, giving them a higher profit margin. If you aren't online, they can't filter ads through the dashboard and make revenue off you looking at those ads. If you aren't online they can't collect data off of you to use in any number of ways. If you aren't online, you are not giving them control of your experience. Therefore, if you are not online, they don't want you as a customer.
Beautiful.