ElectricBlue187
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Foreshadowing? I remember Jaime saying "you must understand how that's suspicious to most people"
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Foreshadowing? I remember Jaime saying "you must understand how that's suspicious to most people"
kellycandthedragons
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I would totally be okay with the Boltons replacing the Lannisters as the new family to beat hahaha.
Only just realised that Grand Maester Pycelle is General Veers. How the hell did I not see that earlier.
My mind is blown twice.
1. I didn't know that guy was General Veers. I thought he was just an AT-AT commander.
2. He's also Pycelle.
I remembered him more as Donovan in The Last Crusdade.
WHAT THE FUCK
OK now it's 3 times
ElectricBlue187
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If so why did they burn it to the ground or allow it to be burnt?
Yeah, I guess that wouldn't make much sense. Roose said that he's already rich though, so I figure he has to be getting land, titles, or something else along those lines from Tywin.
kellycandthedragons
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He could be going for imitation of the Lannisters. He was already involved in the massacre of a family, somewhat. A big part of their power is that they have so much money. Maybe he is expecting to gain wealth and start loaning it out in order to get people under his thumb. So perhaps he denied the offer of land in exchange for even more money.
Not being killed.
HyruleGuardian
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Well for one thing Roose simply didn't want to be on the losing side of the war, so there's that. Being on the losing end of a war is very, very bad.
But having said that I'm sure Tywin promised Walder Frey and Roose Bolton favors for their cooperation.
But having said that I'm sure Tywin promised Walder Frey and Roose Bolton favors for their cooperation.
kellycandthedragons
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But the way he did it makes it uncertain that they won't be killed by people who loved the Starks. So there has to be something more. We know they reward people because they gave Littlefinger a very strategically placed patch of land for setting up the Tyrell alliance.
Probably replacing the Starks as head honchos in the North. According to the viewer's guide they tried to do that before, and there are still the skins of some Starks in their dungeons from their failed rebellion. They were stopped by one offshoot of the Stark family who were rewarded with their own keep and became the Karstarks or something (Hence that thing that idiot Karstark guy said about him and Robb being kin).
Saw all that on the viewers guide earlier this season but didn't want to post it here just because... well it made Bolton go from slightly dodgy to definitely going to betray Robb at the first opportunity. No idea why Robb trusted him so much.
Don't know how that squares up with Tyrion being married into the Starks though. You'd think Tywin would want the Starks to remain Wardens of the North now he thinks his future grandson will be heir to Winterfell (Seeing as he thinks all the Stark boys are dead).
HyruleGuardian
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A Lannister always pays his debts.
kellycandthedragons
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That....makes Robb even dumber. I would have never let Roose out of my sight if their family had a history of trying to screw over mine.
This youtube video has all of Bolton's scenes from season 2. As usual, stay away from the comments (though I haven't seen anything spoilery).
Edit: at around the 5:00 mark you can see him literally turn his cloak.
Edit: at around the 5:00 mark you can see him literally turn his cloak.
kellycandthedragons
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There's that too. I just don't think his only goal was to not die, because with what just happened Sunday, all he's done is exchange one really powerful enemy for several smaller, slightly weaker ones.
If anyone in the North wants to stand up for the Starks, Bolton, Frey, and everyone in the South will gladly receive them in battle.
Whos going to stand up for the Starks? Karstarks sure won't. The Tullys won't be able to, their Lord is a hostage.
All the North can do is remember.
I do think Robb did achieve something with his war though. The North will never truly be ruled.
Many Lords will not bend the knee to the Lannisters and Tywin isn't exactly in a hurry to send armies to the North after losing every battle in Northern lands except for that decoy battle.
HyruleGuardian
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Don't get me wrong, I agree with you that he has more than simple survival in mind and likely wants power in the North... all I'm saying is that in order to have power you have to survive, and I'm sure he likes his odds of survival more with Tywin as an ally than as an enemy.
HyruleGuardian
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Yeah, I don't think "The North Remembers" is one of the most important and frequently repeated phrases in the story for nothing.
kellycandthedragons
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I'm talking about in regards to his own safety, not any rebellion or anything. If his safety and staying alive was the reason he did it, he just made that extremely uncertain because all it takes is a visit from one Stark ally for him to get a sword through the heart. So yes, Tywin is a powerful ally. But the Boltons are a northern house, and he's essentially just put himself in a hornet's nest by betraying Robb. As soon as he returns home, he's going to have enemies all around him. Remember, this betrayal was Roose and the Freys. The Freys are down in the Twins. The Karstarks, sure they won't take revenge. But I find it hard to believe the only northern families are the Boltons, the Karstarks, the Starks, and the Umbers. We haven't seen the Umbers angry with Robb. We haven't seen the Mormonts angry with Robb. I think a family called the Glovers were mentioned in season 1.
If continuing on living was his motivation for this act, it was very shortsighted because he's just surrounded himself with enemies.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Only a couple more days until we all have to wait another bloody year.
Sansa is a bargaining chip, though her usefulness may be dwindling (which in turn may put her in a dangerous position). Even with the Starks effectively wiped out of the North, the name should still hold a lot of sway to Northerners who swore allegiance to Robb's banner. Almost nobody knows Bran and Rickon are alive, and Arya is a ghost. Sansa is quite literally the last living Stark majority of the characters can manipulate. And having a living Stark in your possession, especially one technically heir to the North, is better than having a dead one.
Even if she turns out to be totally useless it doesn't really matter. Marrying her to Tyrion puts her under Lannister family control. And Tywin is all about control.
Sansa is a bargaining chip, though her usefulness may be dwindling (which in turn may put her in a dangerous position). Even with the Starks effectively wiped out of the North, the name should still hold a lot of sway to Northerners who swore allegiance to Robb's banner. Almost nobody knows Bran and Rickon are alive, and Arya is a ghost. Sansa is quite literally the last living Stark majority of the characters can manipulate. And having a living Stark in your possession, especially one technically heir to the North, is better than having a dead one.
Even if she turns out to be totally useless it doesn't really matter. Marrying her to Tyrion puts her under Lannister family control. And Tywin is all about control.
Hi all,
First time post in here but have been admiring from a distance for ages.
Not read the books, only seen the first half of season one, the second half of season two, all of 3 (blu ray box set coming next week). Just one quick question:
Up to this point (S309) as Sam potentially met anybody who could train him to be an actual Wizard? Thanks
First time post in here but have been admiring from a distance for ages.
Not read the books, only seen the first half of season one, the second half of season two, all of 3 (blu ray box set coming next week). Just one quick question:
Up to this point (S309) as Sam potentially met anybody who could train him to be an actual Wizard? Thanks
And how do you know it is an important and frequently repeated phrase in the story after hearing it once in the upcoming episode preview?
HyruleGuardian
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Whoops, double post.
Louis Cypher
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http://teamcoco.com/video/george-rr-martin-game-of-thrones-spoilers
Spoilers for season 4! (Not real spoilers)
Spoilers for season 4! (Not real spoilers)
Liquidsnake
Banned
2 days away from GOT.
There were two real spoilers in there. [spoler]Hodor.[/spoiler]
I remedy the wait by watching Breaking Bad in the summer-fall, Walking Dead fall-winter, and then Game of Thrones in spring.
HyruleGuardian
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Well, they did achieve some degree of justice during Robert's Rebellion.
Here are the cliff notes on Robert's Rebellion...
-Rhaegar Targaryen declares Lyanna Stark the "Queen of Love and Beauty" after he wins the tournament of Harrenhal, despite being in the presence of his own wife Elia and Lyanna's betrothed Robert Baratheon (who was already in love with Lyanna). Eddard Stark is also present.
-Some time later, Rhaegar kidnaps Lyanna.
-Brandon Stark (brother to Eddard and Lyanna), who is far more reckless and brash than his brother, takes a small party to King's Landing to demand the Mad King Aerys Targaryen to return Lyanna at once.
-The Mad King takes Brandon Stark prisoner for conspiring to murder his son Rhaegar, and summons Rickard Stark (Lord of Winterfell and father to Brandon, Eddard and Lyanna) to King's Landing.
-The Mad King has Rickard Stark cooked alive in his own armor as Brandon Stark has a leather cord placed around his neck, a long sword is placed inches out of his reach and he strangles himself trying to save his father.
-The Mad King demands the heads of Jon Arryn's two wards, Robert and Eddard, for fear of retaliation.
-Jon Arryn refuses, as he loves them both, and Robert's Rebellion begins.
-Robert, Eddard, and Jon make an alliance with the Tullys of Riverrun, uniting the North (Starks), the Stormlands (Baratheons), the Vale (Arryns), and the Riverlands (Tullys) against the Targaryens.
-War ensues (I'll skip this part in these cliff notes), Robert's daring and Eddard's steady and calculating leadership lead to an upper hand in the war. Things come to a head when Robert Baratheon slays Rhaegar Targaryen with his warhammer on the Trident.
-The Lannisters, now knowing the war is lost for the Targaryens, reach King's Landing first, trick the Mad King into letting them in, and sack King's Landing. Jaime Lannister slays the Mad King.
-Eddard arrives in King's Landing with his army to see Jaime Lannister sitting on the Iron Throne. If Eddard had wanted to, he could have claimed the throne for himself, no one could have denied him. But Eddard does not want to be King. Robert arrives later and takes the Iron Throne.
-Eddard returns to Winterfell sometime later with Lyanna's remains and an infant named Jon Snow.
Sorry, that was too fun to recap the events of Robert's Rebellion. But my point is that the Targaryens did horrible, unspeakable things to the Starks - and lived (died) to rue it.
The North Remembers.
He knows they're not dead because of the dude in your avatar. The hunt begins, I guess.
Chie Satonaka
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HyruleGuardian
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SkylineRKR
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Its because he would be ensured he wouldn't have to fear retaliation for what Locke did to Jaime. What Locke did was against Bolton's order.
The greatness of having a show where all the main things are already set for the most part. D&B have been doing this since the beginning and people don't understand what they're wathcing and can't give them credit for this until GRRM's story allows them to in future seasons.
Liquidsnake
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It will take years timeline wise for any stark to be in a position to seek any kind of revenge.
HyruleGuardian
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And if the story was almost over, that would be a real point of concern.
The story still has a long, long way to go.
The North Remembers.
Chie Satonaka
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That might be true, and I'd be fine with that.
However, how do you know? Arya has already met someone with the ability to CHANGE THEIR FACE and has offered to teach her how, coupled with the art of assassination. Obviously that's not something she'll learn in a week, but that, coupled with Mellisandre's meeting tells me that there's likely to be something there. She gets a little darker every episode.
We'll see.
gregor7777
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Unless I'm misunderstanding you he's simply saying he doesn't partake in drinking. He refuses drink once again at the wedding.
Great Poster
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Which is why I jokingly say, the final "heroes/heroines" of this story will most likely be Ned's grand-children...Bran, Rickon Arya, and Sansa may not even be the final vindicators...only book readers know, and they're a filthy lot!!
j/k -- love you guys!
HyruleGuardian
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Haha, but seriously, the story is going to be about Ned's children, not his grandchildren.
Amey
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OMG i don't want this to turn into dragonball Z.
Liquidsnake
Banned
From the very first episode for me.
Liquidsnake
Banned
I hope so. Very rarely in Hollywood does an injustice like this bother me so much. I was waiting for an absolution that never came.
Amey
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Blu-ray extras from Season 1 and 2. It's fair play
Amey
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oh. need to get them somehow.
Chie Satonaka
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Not at all. I have no idea who it is.
Liquidsnake
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I missed this post. You are a teacher, I am paying attention.
Liquidsnake
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I thought he was fucking with him on orders from Robb.
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