Small publishers.
I can't speak for everyone, but I don't even really purchase many games from EA, Activision, or Ubisoft. And even then, it's already been established that Activision is pro-used game for a number of reasons.
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Small publishers.
I can't speak for everyone, but I don't even really purchase many games from EA, Activision, or Ubisoft. And even then, it's already been established that Activision is pro-used game for a number of reasons.
CambriaRising
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A system that still has less drm than the Xbone.
TheDarkKnight774
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No. Then you see a similar case as PC DRM that ubisofts and others tried. The community revolted and they eventually backed off (in some cases)
Did you miss the literally dozens of threads and hundreds of posts on this forum differentiating the two?
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Deleted member 80556
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Well, gaming is not limited by the big publishers.
Sony is not going to do it, they want to prevent that bad PR for themselves, and indies aren't gonna do that because they're not stupid.
Also in the end ultimately the best way to make money is to find ground that consumers are happy with and make us want their products. Just working in their best interests rather than benevolence, but if the reaction on GAF to this DRM is even remotely reflective of mass consumer reaction then the X1 just isn't going to sell because of how unfriendly it is.
Anyways, Microsoft engineering this DRM rather than something publishers actively sought would basically confirm that they really are better chased out. They're willing to go to absurd lengths for this crap, and will probably keep trying until they have their way. Cut it off, to the industry at large they'd be a appendage that had to be cut off.
Neuromancer
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Game-specific or even publisher specific horrendous DRM is better than system wide unavoidable horrendous DRM.
They'd have to implement it on their own with no additional system-level help from Sony a la PS3...which would be fine with me as I can avoid their games.
CambriaRising
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Sony also has first party exclusives.
I don't give two shits about Call of Duty, Battlefield, or any sports games. Having the most popular games is worthless to me, personally.
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Deleted member 80556
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It will still have them, with the DRM maybe, but do publishers really want that bad PR? With the Xbone they can get away with it saying it's system based, but with the PS4? They got no BS for that.
Then I can actively avoid playing those games.
Crash Station
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So this has grown pretty big, and not just inside of Gaf. People aren't going to fall for this shit, right?
Really hate myself right now for wishing a company would fail.
Really hate myself right now for wishing a company would fail.
YOU don't, I don't, a bajillion people do though. Doesn't Sony stand to lose a lot of ground if they don't give big pubs what they want?
soulassssns
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so pathetic confirmed?
World of Tanks? How about World of NO THANKS
World of Tanks? How about World of NO THANKS
I'd honestly love if Sony denied publishers/developers from releasing games with the same type of DRM that the Xbox One has in place on the PS4. Sony would lose a huge cut of money, but with aggressive advertising and a stroke of luck/goodwill the PS4 could still be a financial success.
Don't play by Sony's rules? You don't get to release your game on that piece of hardware. Would be incredibly ballsy and respectful, probably pretty foolish financially as well.
Don't play by Sony's rules? You don't get to release your game on that piece of hardware. Would be incredibly ballsy and respectful, probably pretty foolish financially as well.
Anyone who reads the internet and understands the implications will likely not buy the XB1...but the rest of the consumer base, I'm not so sure.
Uno Venova
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What are you talking about now? Aren't the games from the big pubs still going to be on the system but with the drm in your scenario?
Well, that's the call they have to make, isn't it?
If they leave it up to the publishers, they can still advertise their system as DRM-less, and those 'bajillion' people might still buy the system and still be able to buy the games on PS4.
RobotMafia
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You're not Bob Dylan. Bob Dylan wouldn't talk like this.
CambriaRising
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I think you have lost your own plot. Those games would still be on the system, just with publisher drm.
Uh, it looks like Sony locked up some sort of Destiny exclusive. That seems to be a pretty big deal I'd say. Plus Final Fantasy. This is all we know so far.
Duxxy3
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Publishers would also lose billions by ignoring Sony. Xbox does well here but its not a strong brand worldwide.
No they don't, because the pubs will lose more by losing HALF OR MORE of their potential sales by excluding the PS4. They can't throw their weight with Sony. And remember, MS is the one who started pushing DRM - the pubs are just along for the ride.
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Deleted member 80556
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Publishers don't want to lose the potential sales of PS4 version of games. The PS brand is huge in Europe.
You sure did. Sigh.
TheDarkKnight774
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Also I wouldn't fret if they claim Dead rising 3 as exclusive. It'll eventually end up on other consoles.
Every big announced Capcom exclusive seems to show up in other consoles/PC. They couldn't make an exclusive stick if their lives depended on it.
Every big announced Capcom exclusive seems to show up in other consoles/PC. They couldn't make an exclusive stick if their lives depended on it.
AngelsDontBurn
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#Teamholdhugs #TeamCBOAT
Jumping to conclusions here, quite a bit.
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kittens
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I'd much prefer to see Microsoft listen, learn, and commit to reversing their current DRM stance. But if they're going to stick with this, then yeah, I hope the Xbox One tanks.
LOL. So they're just going to rely on XBone market to sell their game? Fat chance.
You mean like when they didn't charge for online when MS did?
I can believe that the DRM is worse than what we already know. Everything regarding it to this point has been poorly communicated with obvious delays in responses to questions that telegraph to me at least, that they're spinning something they know consumers won't like.
Having said that, if they go through with it, I'd love to hear the story about little Billy getting banned from Live for hurling racial epithets while playing on line, and the subsequent drama and parental outrage that will occur when he explains to his mom he needs to go and buy $900 worth of games again because he can't access his account due to getting kicked off the service. I'm sure there will be a few parents who will make a stink regardless of the behavior of their child.
I also wonder if having Kinect always on would affect douchebag behavior? I'm thinking this may be something they bring up as a possible "benefit" of having Kinect on all the time.
Psycho_Mantis
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CBOAT I actually love you man.
Well, I'm just saying that Sony will not, not have something similar on their system.
It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever that they wouldn't when MS is.
And yes, I have lost sense of my own argument there!
MS is the one who came up with the idea - there is no collusion between MS and Sony, clearly, if MS is trying to buy 3rd Party presence in their conference. This means Sony is free to do whatever they want to undercut MS. It doesn't make sense that they would FOLLOW in MS's footsteps with this when they can play the white knight role and win the Informed Gamer crowd instantly. I don't really see where your logic is coming from.
SlowRevolution
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The consumer base that doesn't know right now will know shortly after getting an Xbox, that's why I'm not that worried about initial sales. The backlash is going to be huge. Yeah Microsoft could get strong sales at launch, but the more they sell the more negative stories they get on news channels. It'll be like the anti-Wii.
Trying to confuse everyone about the issue seems short-sighted as hell.
JohnMadden
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A terrible mess continues to get worse. Very curious to see how MS climbs their way out of this one, or at least tries to. I'm sure they'll just blast games tomorrow and not speak at all of any details regarding their policies beyond what was posted a few days ago. Which, by the way, leaves many questions unanswered and is by no means a strong response to the voices of the people.
Please Sony, be at least a little bit more reasonable and you'll have a customer.
Please Sony, be at least a little bit more reasonable and you'll have a customer.
Stripper13
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This.
What in the fuck - is Microsoft doing.
Even if 25% of the last few weeks had happened - I'd be disappointed and shocked. At this point I'm just numb to it. I fully expect them to fuck this console up, their studios up and the Xbox division in general. What dickhead(s) sat down down and decided 'fuck the good thing we've got going - NOW is the time to push a digital/DRM console, with no PR strategy to speak of, no answers to obvious questions, and average hardware'. More importantly, how did they see Sony's reveal (and I wasn't a huge fan of that) - and decide to proceed with their planned hardware. 'Hey guys we're pretty much launching day/date against Sony this time, they've announced some impressive hardware - but don't change anything'.
Why didn't Microsoft walk over, drop a fat case of cash in front of AMD, and say 'beat the PS4' ... or at the very least 'can we have what they're having'. This is just a disaster on every level - and up until now I've been reasonably optimistic that Microsoft had a 'plan' on how to roll this sort of console out successfully and with as little pain as possible. And now we've learned that the used games/lending policies are a total reflex response and are not available at launch - and even worse, CBOAT is saying their is worse still to come.
I was excited to see Microsoft's conference tonight - simply because I felt that they were going to hit it out of the park with games. However, they must be desperate as shit if they're dropping big cash for E3/multiplatform mindshare already. I'll skip it at this stage - catch the summary threads when I wake up and smirk. I can only imagine the shit leadership culture that has developed at Microsoft that has led to this many poor decisions and muddy communication - that has led them to be behind with hardware both on a spec level, and a time/yield level - and has simply 'wasted' money on cash-bags for stupid shit such as 'please don't mention PS4 version, k thx'.
Absinthian
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I assume Gaikai will be DRM, but not disk based games.
No worries. Word of mouth will spread. Sure, a few ignorant consumers will buy "the new Xbox" based on name alone, not really knowing what they are getting themselves into, but most of them will sure as hell be pissed once they come to learn about all the draconian limitations that Microsoft has implemented. Lots of these people will return the system, and they will tell their friends, relatives and acquaintances about how much of a shit product it is. Microsoft is going to fail with this, badly. And oh man, am I dying to see it happening...
travisbickle
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If Sony's console isn't always online, then publishers will be releasing an "online DRM" game on a console where a percentage of the userbase won't be connected. On their heads be it.
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