people liked that aspect about Mario 64 and Sunshine and in recent years all the Mario games had more or less linear level progression. It would be nice to go back to explorable 3D words, for a change
Super Mario 3D World for Wii U
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people liked that aspect about Mario 64 and Sunshine and in recent years all the Mario games had more or less linear level progression. It would be nice to go back to explorable 3D words, for a change
Rodney McKay
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It doesn't NEED to be free roam, but people loved Mario 64 (and Sunshine, even with it's flaws) and it would be amazing to see a true successor to that type of 3D Mario game.
It's a very different kind of game, but in my opinion it is no less valid that the "focused" level design of other Mario's.
Personally I wanted the 3D Land style to stay on 3DS since it is such a great fit for handhelds (and the Stereoscopic 3D can make for some really cool camera angle tricks). I have zero interest in multiplayer games (especially with no online) so this just looks ehh to me.
Maybe free roam wasn't the best word. SMG had you going all over the map to get your star. you had to swim all over the place, go back and forth, do objectives for some NPC's etc. but 3d Land and World has you going from point A to B all the time.
WordAssassin
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I have a question for everyone:
If they had released this trailer, but instead of showing off 4-players, they just showed single-player but revealed the multiple characters, and the music was similar in epicness to Galaxy's instead of 3D Land's, would there be as much bitching?
I admit, the way they've revealed this game is a HUGE let down. I -LOVE- 3D Land, and I'm positive this game is going to be incredible, but the backlash over the reveal is warranted because it's just such a boring shitty reveal.
They should have set the trailer to some much better music and showed a pro player running through vast complex worlds, intercut with clips of the different characters using their special abilities to reach different paths, instead of derpy bullshit music with 4 people bumbling around into each other.
Later in the trailer they could have revealed that multiple people can play at the same time, but the actual announcement of the first 3D Mario title for the Wii U should have just shown off the single player first and foremost so that people won't think it's just NSMB in 3D.
If they had released this trailer, but instead of showing off 4-players, they just showed single-player but revealed the multiple characters, and the music was similar in epicness to Galaxy's instead of 3D Land's, would there be as much bitching?
I admit, the way they've revealed this game is a HUGE let down. I -LOVE- 3D Land, and I'm positive this game is going to be incredible, but the backlash over the reveal is warranted because it's just such a boring shitty reveal.
They should have set the trailer to some much better music and showed a pro player running through vast complex worlds, intercut with clips of the different characters using their special abilities to reach different paths, instead of derpy bullshit music with 4 people bumbling around into each other.
Later in the trailer they could have revealed that multiple people can play at the same time, but the actual announcement of the first 3D Mario title for the Wii U should have just shown off the single player first and foremost so that people won't think it's just NSMB in 3D.
Allan Holdsworth
Member
Heh, I knew GAF would hate this game as soon as the first image showed up. Me, it looks pretty good, though I didn't like SM3DL thaaat much, mainly because the movement felt weird with incremental acceleration. Also Tanooki made things too easy... I should do a no-Tanooki suit run some day.
I keep on wondering why they can't put 4 different controlling characters in NSMB now. The excuse was because of multiplayer, but this has it too, so?
Also, it was probably impossible for Nintendo to get a "proper" 3D Mario game out by Christmas.
I keep on wondering why they can't put 4 different controlling characters in NSMB now. The excuse was because of multiplayer, but this has it too, so?
Also, it was probably impossible for Nintendo to get a "proper" 3D Mario game out by Christmas.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
This is the new art style. That's been established for about four games now.
Plus, reuse of assets happens all the time.
This game will probably be really fun... But where's the creativity? Multiplayer is cool, but it was almost expected. I want this game to do well, because I have such a fondness for Nintendo. But on the other hand, I want to see some insane reinvention of the 3D Mario series--fresh changes to the game's fundamentals. I feel like the Big-N may never capture that jump from 2D to 3D in Mario 64 or the mind-boggling puzzle-scapes of Galaxy.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
As long as there's collision between players (and it seems that way from what little I've watched), lag would probably kill this game online. Can't imagine it being anything other than a janky mess.
Honestly, online play is something I've become completely disillusioned with in general over the course of this generation. It's primarily because most of the games I play (fighters) just play like shit online anyway, but I'm not going to miss it in Mario one bit either.
I need to watch some of the hands-on footage. I'm hoping they got rid of NSMBW's intermittent pauses whenever one player takes damage in multiplayer. That's really the only thing I hate about multi in those games so if they've fixed that I'll be pretty hyped about this.
Carpe Libertatem
Member
In some levels, yes. I would say a lot of the levels were point A->B starting with the first Galaxy, but increasingly so in the sequel. You just moved from multiple mini planets so it may have seemed larger in scale.
This. Quickest route to a Mario on the Wii U, obviously.
The more I watch it, the more I'm hyped towards playing it. At the very least, the levels look more complicated than the ones we saw in 3D Land. Hopefully the levels can take advantage of the fact that they have four distinct characters running around.
And yeah, I'm totally going for Toad since I have to play Mario games running at full speed. In Mario 2, Toad was all I played.
And yeah, I'm totally going for Toad since I have to play Mario games running at full speed. In Mario 2, Toad was all I played.
Definitely. That is what I was hoping for this time. I loved Galaxy, but Mario 64 is still a true classic in its own right to me.
This game seems to be even more linear in style than Galaxy. It will be more like playing 2D mario, which could be really cool, but is not what I wanted this time.
jts
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And I'm okay with that. Wii U needs good games, fast. This is what looks to be an excellent game.
There's time for Galaxy-type games. The Wii U is barely kicking in.
Data Elemental
Member
Since I enjoyed SM3DL a lot, I'm really looking forward to this. Getting to play as floaty Peach again is a nice throwback too. I may have to get a Wii U after all, once this and MK8 are out.
The cat power-up is a little odd though and when I heard Iwata say "cat mario", my first thought was that one freeware platformer. It doesn't seem to be as unbalanced as the Tanooki suit at first glance.
The cat power-up is a little odd though and when I heard Iwata say "cat mario", my first thought was that one freeware platformer. It doesn't seem to be as unbalanced as the Tanooki suit at first glance.
Holy Order Sol
Member
Looks like guaranteed auto-awesome, will buy.
SatoAilDarko
Member
So I can finally post now that GAF is up.
My thoughts, absolutely horrible.
Now I loved 3D Land and think it was a brillant fit on the 3DS. Its only behind the GALAXY games in my books. That's why this is so dumb. The game was cut down a lot because it was portable. The linear levels and times worked for pick up and play. Even worse is probably how jumping was more limited because of the smaller levels. Why go back? It barely looks any better. How does Mario Kart possibly look better.
This and Mario Kart 8 are clearly Nintendo looking at the 3DS games' success and wanting that money. The 4 -player co-op takes away from the wide-openess of past games.
This game would have been welcomed if it came after a true 3D Mario. Instead it feels repetitive to have another 4-player co-op game only a year after NSMB U. With Luigi U its like Nintendo doesn't realize you can't flood the market so quickly with similar games. They won't increase sales instead they will eat into each other.
I thought there was no one way to be disappointed with a new Mario. But Nintendo found one. The saddest thing is this means the soonest to get a real 3D Mario is probably 2016. You had one job Nintendo, one job.
My thoughts, absolutely horrible.
Now I loved 3D Land and think it was a brillant fit on the 3DS. Its only behind the GALAXY games in my books. That's why this is so dumb. The game was cut down a lot because it was portable. The linear levels and times worked for pick up and play. Even worse is probably how jumping was more limited because of the smaller levels. Why go back? It barely looks any better. How does Mario Kart possibly look better.
This and Mario Kart 8 are clearly Nintendo looking at the 3DS games' success and wanting that money. The 4 -player co-op takes away from the wide-openess of past games.
This game would have been welcomed if it came after a true 3D Mario. Instead it feels repetitive to have another 4-player co-op game only a year after NSMB U. With Luigi U its like Nintendo doesn't realize you can't flood the market so quickly with similar games. They won't increase sales instead they will eat into each other.
I thought there was no one way to be disappointed with a new Mario. But Nintendo found one. The saddest thing is this means the soonest to get a real 3D Mario is probably 2016. You had one job Nintendo, one job.
gameplay looks good!
unfortunately looks like the amazing musical scores of the galaxy games won't be back
unfortunately looks like the amazing musical scores of the galaxy games won't be back
Bony Manifesto
Member
I think just having music that wasn't terrible and some more clearly-themed worlds would have gone a long way in making the reveal (and the game) better. I thought the same thing about the 3D Land too.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
After seeing it three times I think the camera angle might be subtly skewing a lot of peoples impressions, because the actual levels we've seen look like they take quite a bit from the Galaxy and even 64 playbook. But the pulled back camera makes it feel like more of a 2D game
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
This might be the biggest form of what I describe as the Zelda effect. Good to great games that are underrated because of their lineage. A lineage that usually consists of revolutionary games that define generations where decent games like sunshine and this will not be as appreciated. Also see the 3ds version of this game. A really good game.
I fell for it. I wanted something grander. And I'm ashamed.
I fell for it. I wanted something grander. And I'm ashamed.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Mario 64's exploration-focused design made more sense in a day when that was novel and impressive on a technical level in and of itself. As far as I'm concerned, that day has passed.
Why would I want to waste my time looking for platforms when I could be platforming instead?
As much as I wanted a big, single-player Mario game, I can't deny this game looks delightful and like a lot of fun. Something I can play with friends.
It's a different direction. I think Nintendo is clearly catering to the casual/multiplayer crowd with this one, rather than the core gamer like previous Marios.
I just hope it has a lot more level variety than 3D Land and NSMB.
It's a different direction. I think Nintendo is clearly catering to the casual/multiplayer crowd with this one, rather than the core gamer like previous Marios.
I just hope it has a lot more level variety than 3D Land and NSMB.
In Japan it did.
I liked 3D land better than Galaxy so I'm happy with this. Something new for Mario would have been better than either though.
Outtrigger888
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Poimandres
Member
Remember that giddy feeling you got when you first saw Mario 64? Or Galaxy?
Anyone feeling that now?
No?
Anyone feeling that now?
No?
I cant believe this is how they want players introduced to 3D Mario on Wii U. Everything about it screams middling effort compared to what they did with Galaxy, visually, audio, just a disappointment. It doesn't help that I wasn't a big fan of Mario 3D Land to begin with, so now I have to hope it really comes into its own here
Im just glad they have fully original bosses now ( I really cant take Bowser Jr or koopa kids again), returned to Dino Island, and a bunch of World enemies/original new enemies. Not to mention it looks challenging.
The art style...while not mind blowing, does look pretty sharp and detailed.
Looks really good. And Luigi has his special jump, so this game plays like Super Mario 2 USA?
Yes actually it looks different from those 2. It has the tight design of the 2d Mario games like smb3 but brought to 3d. It's closer to the 2d games than sm64 and galaxy which I love.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I mean, from a gameplay perspective I definitely think the 3DLand mold is in and of itself innovative for the Mario series, so I'm not sure where the "rehash" comments are coming from unless the first sequel to a game already puts things in rehash territory. I understand that some people wanted something big and free-roaming again, but I'm still in the camp that says that focused Mario is best Mario
Son.Ralph.Funk
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Looks fantastic.
Outtrigger888
Member
I did when they revealed its 4 players with the cast of super mario bro 2.
Elfforkusu
Member
This isn't lazy, it's just Not Mario Galaxy.
So on the one hand, I'm disappointed, but on the other hand, in EAD Tokyo we trust. The only problem with 3D Land was a lack of scale. And it was a portable game.
So on the one hand, I'm disappointed, but on the other hand, in EAD Tokyo we trust. The only problem with 3D Land was a lack of scale. And it was a portable game.
this exactly for me. i'll still buy it and im sure its great, but this game probably should come after the game that blows your dick off with great graphics, open world etc. urgh,
I wouldn't jump to that conclusion
Remember folks had the same issue with Galaxy 2 reveal
They said music is one of the last things they compose
I believe
Rodney McKay
Member
Because it's fun to just explore the little worlds the game is filled with? The day hasn't passed for those kinds of games, Nintendo has just decided to throw them away for games that are more immediately pleasurable for players so they can sell more copies of their games.
How can you even have fun with the platforming in modern Mario games when it's so braindead easy? It took an entire playthrough of 3D Land before levels with even a HINT of challenge started coming.
I get more out of a game where I can jump around and make my own fun in an open, creative environment than the guided amusement park rides Nintendo is making these days:
"And if you look to your right you'll see nostalgic reference #132" Oooh, Ahhhh.
"And if you look to your left you'll find a powerup that removes any need to actually platform or control your character with any skill to win" Oooh, ahhhh. *snaps photo*
At the time? Not really, because there wasn't the narrative that Nintendo has now established with their sequelitis. In retrospect, sure.
Poimandres
Member
Sorry, the design here looks nothing like SMB3 to me. A lot of Galaxy (especially 2) took place on small relatively linear levels that I would say is tighter than what we've seen of this game. Of course it's hard to tell from only seeing a few minutes of the game.
While I'm definitely excited for this game, I can't help but feel slightly disappointed [as many of you do].
Traditionally, the "first" Mario title on that particular console offered new innovation, or at least, was something more-or-less new, different than what you were used to.
NES had Super Mario Bros.
SNES had Super Mario World
N64 had Super Mario 64
GCN had Super Mario Sunshine
Wii had Mario Galaxy
Wii U had...New Super Mario Bros. U and now Super Mario 3D World
Don't get me wrong, I loved New Super Mario Bros. U. Fantastic level design, and it was a lot of fun to play through. But it wasn't nearly as ambitious as previous first Mario titles in each respective system. It seems to me that either Nintendo is playing it safe, or they're just not ready to show that super-incredible, open-world Mario title for the Wii U just yet.
Either way, I will be pre-ordering/purchasing Super Mario 3D World at launch. I know I'll have a great time with it, but part of me can't help but imagine "What if...?".
Traditionally, the "first" Mario title on that particular console offered new innovation, or at least, was something more-or-less new, different than what you were used to.
NES had Super Mario Bros.
SNES had Super Mario World
N64 had Super Mario 64
GCN had Super Mario Sunshine
Wii had Mario Galaxy
Wii U had...New Super Mario Bros. U and now Super Mario 3D World
Don't get me wrong, I loved New Super Mario Bros. U. Fantastic level design, and it was a lot of fun to play through. But it wasn't nearly as ambitious as previous first Mario titles in each respective system. It seems to me that either Nintendo is playing it safe, or they're just not ready to show that super-incredible, open-world Mario title for the Wii U just yet.
Either way, I will be pre-ordering/purchasing Super Mario 3D World at launch. I know I'll have a great time with it, but part of me can't help but imagine "What if...?".
just watched the gameplay videos
looks gorgeous. It lacks that WOW factor a new Galaxy game could have given, but I can't see myself complaining about this: it's got the usual charm, ideas, platforming goodness and polish
yes I'm aboard. Give me 96 levels and tons of secrets Nintendo
looks gorgeous. It lacks that WOW factor a new Galaxy game could have given, but I can't see myself complaining about this: it's got the usual charm, ideas, platforming goodness and polish
yes I'm aboard. Give me 96 levels and tons of secrets Nintendo
PlanetSmasher
Banned
Finally had a chance to watch this trailer. Gotta say...not what I was hoping for out of next-gen Mario. Maybe I was expecting too much, but I was really hoping for a follow-up to Galaxy and SM64. Didn't really enjoy SM3DL all that much and especially don't like that style of music.
C'mon, Nintendo. Bring back the full orchestra!
C'mon, Nintendo. Bring back the full orchestra!
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Although with all of my interest and praise said I am still looking more forward to Sonic Lost World I think
Jaded Alyx
Member
I see Chargin' Chuck so it's all good to me.
I also have no doubt that Nintendo will be working on a more Galaxy-esque game after this one.
I also have no doubt that Nintendo will be working on a more Galaxy-esque game after this one.
Scofield94941
Member
Imagine if they made a Super Mario 64-2, where you had to go back to the mushroom kingdom after something terrible happened, (getting overrun by something) and you had to revist all the past levels from the first one but everything has changed in those worlds (again being overrun by someone or something) Think the same vein as Link to the Past II but on a more epic scale....More undiscovered rooms, more stars, and they could have had multiplayer in it too.
That would have been the Megaton.
That would have been the Megaton.