Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS: Info Collection - Dojo, Mega Man and Trailer! 2014!

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I died.
 
I guess I'm a little further in. In that DS game you mentioned, there are multiple characters who call themselves Heracles: it's a mystery from the start as to who is the real Heracles. Later on, you find out that
the fourth hero, the big guy who goes simply by 'Heracles', is actually Iphicles. He's the mortal half-brother of Heracles. Iphicles turns out to be dead already, fading away when his memories return. This breaks Heracles out of his depression and has him join the party as a replacement. He summons a pegasus-drawn cart: probably his mode of transport in earlier games.

So, if that series as a whole is to be represented, I think it would be by its main recurring character.

Anyway! You know what series totally should have been on Wii and deserves a stage or character or something?

Yeah I knew that bit about the big guy but I'm pretty sure that concerning the main hero
He's supposed to be Icarus, and he lost his memory due to that whole flying incident with his dad Daedalus or something along those lines. Thus why I said that he could be a nod and wink alt costume for Pit.

Also, just looking at the pics I didn't know exactly where they were from but I had a notion of it. It was confirmed when I opened in a new tab and saw the file name. Battle Clash! Yeah! I think it'd be awesome especially if they made a new game out of it. But in regards to Smash, I feel they should be a stage or an Assist trophy.
 
I still just really hope Quote will be in smash 4
It won't happen but
Just, god, can you please do this one thing for me
I know I thought about sending that message but I didnt even press send?? We all make our mistakes don't we?? You know that better than anyone god please you?know please
 
I can't see there being anymore than 6 new characters for a total of 41. Sakurai's said he wants to focus on updating and changing whats already there as opposed to adding a whole bunch of new shit. Plus you have to take into account the fact that they want this game out by 2014, and it's a dual release for both 3ds and Wii U. If there's more than 6 I will be overjoyed but I really don't see it happening at this point.
Sakurai made similar comments about Brawl and given Sakurai's love for throwing in tons of content, I could see him add 10-15 characters. He also made that comment and then anounced that the handheld game and console game would have completely different stages.
 
You know in terms of unloved Nintendo series. I think it is appalling that there hasn't been a new Mole Mania game. When the DS and now the Wii U basically begging for new entries.
 
Sakurai made similar comments about Brawl and given Sakurai's love for throwing in tons of content, I could see him add 10-15 characters. He also made that comment and then anounced that the handheld game and console game would have completely different stages.

You don't have to balance stages though :p Yea it could entirely be the other way round but I'm not keeping my hopes up. I'm looking forward to whoever the new characters may be but don't hype me up damnit! It's still a year or more off!
 
It's definitely that too.

Sakurai just knows the Smash fanbase and tries to avoid setting their expectations for characters so high that they crash and burn.

He's probably has been getting character ideas from people all day everyday.. so yea he knows what we expect and how unreasonable it can be lol
 
I can't see there being anymore than 6 new characters for a total of 41. Sakurai's said he wants to focus on updating and changing whats already there as opposed to adding a whole bunch of new shit. Plus you have to take into account the fact that they want this game out by 2014, and it's a dual release for both 3ds and Wii U. If there's more than 6 I will be overjoyed but I really don't see it happening at this point.


Rule #1: The Doctor Lies.
 
Yeah, seriously. So far, you don't really have to treat any of the crap Sakurai's said about the game as the final word. Animal Crossing, character size, even third parties... things are constantly changing in the guy's head. That's why I love 'im
 
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Decided to refine my original roster guess a bit going off how I feel the roster's shaping up now we've gotten a proper look at the game. Doubt it'd be 100% correct, but after finally getting some time to play a decent amount into FE:Awakening I honestly do just see Sakurai replacing Ike with Chrom (I'd love to be wrong), appeasing people who want Mewtwo back by using his new X/Y form to also represent the new games, some sort of new Mario character (just mentally replace that empty space under Bowser with whoever) and resurrecting his axed Toon Zelda/Toon Sheik* idea to tie into WWHD and save a bit on development time (assuming anything had been started on them in Brawl). I'm a bit torn on whether Snake will stay, but ultimately due to his popularity in Brawl and the issue of having a completely original moveset being cut from Brawl to SSB4 with nobody to replace it with I'm siding with him making the jump to SSB4. Goroh's inclusion is complete wish-fulfillment but damn it F-Zero deserves a 2nd rep at this point.

*Still reckon this was supposed to be Tetra
 
Shulk is an unlikely addition. He has one game, and it's a one-off. He also would not have an interesting moveset. Nothing he does in Xenoblade translates well to a fighting game aside from his buster sword attacks.
 
You know what would be a really cool item?

Cuccos.

They would appear and hang around the stage until someone hits them/hurts them; subsequently, a barrage of cuccos ensues! (Unown style) And it would hurt everyone on the battlefield. My two cents. :D

Shulk is an unlikely addition. He has one game, and it's a one-off. He also would not have an interesting moveset. Nothing he does in Xenoblade translates well to a fighting game aside from his buster sword attacks.

Likely to be two games, though. (X for Wii U) Xenoblade is clearly a franchise now.

Speaking of Wii RPG's, I wonder if The Last Story or Pandora's Tower will have any representation in this?
 
Shulk is an unlikely addition. He has one game, and it's a one-off. He also would not have an interesting moveset. Nothing he does in Xenoblade translates well to a fighting game aside from his buster sword attacks.

Still, Xenoblade has build quite a reputation in no time. One character would be appropriate imo.

Knowing Sakurai though, maybe we would get someone more unexpected than Shulk, like Dunban. I'd see him getting the monado and doing some kind of super Monado Buster for his ultra.

Oh man...these speculations are driving me insane.
 
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Decided to refine my original roster guess a bit going off how I feel the roster's shaping up now we've gotten a proper look at the game. Doubt it'd be 100% correct, but after finally getting some time to play a decent amount into FE:Awakening I honestly do just see Sakurai replacing Ike with Chrom (I'd love to be wrong), appeasing people who want Mewtwo back by using his new X/Y form to also represent the new games, some sort of new Mario character (just mentally replace that empty space under Bowser with whoever) and resurrecting his axed Toon Zelda/Toon Sheik* idea to tie into WWHD and save a bit on development time (assuming anything had been started on them in Brawl). I'm a bit torn on whether Snake will stay, but ultimately due to his popularity in Brawl and the issue of having a completely original moveset being cut from Brawl to SSB4 with nobody to replace it with I'm siding with him making the jump to SSB4. Goroh's inclusion is complete wish-fulfillment but damn it F-Zero deserves a 2nd rep at this point.

*Still reckon this was supposed to be Tetra

I see Dixie Kong getting in before K. Rool. The Kremlings seem like a chapter Nintendo is trying to erase, whereas Dixie is in DKC:TF, Diddy Kong Racing DS, and was one of the unfinished Brawl Brawl characters.
 
Shulk is an unlikely addition. He has one game, and it's a one-off. He also would not have an interesting moveset. Nothing he does in Xenoblade translates well to a fighting game aside from his buster sword attacks.

It's pathetically easy to translate Shulk's moveset from Xenoblade into smash. His B moves can be comprised of his monado arts, and his smashes / normals can use based on his sword arts.

As for your first comment, it's subjective but I think his moveset is incredibly interesting.
 
I see Dixie Kong getting in before K. Rool. The Kremlings seem like a chapter Nintendo is trying to erase, whereas Dixie is in DKC:TF, Diddy Kong Racing DS, and was one of the unfinished Brawl Brawl characters.
That's also me leaning more towards what I personally want, though to be fair he was fairly requested during Brawl's development and for SSB4 many online character polls like Smashboard's and a few Japanese ones SmashGAF member Snakey made he was the most requested newcomer after Mega Man and Mewtwo/Roy returning. IMO it comes down to whether they go with what's more relevant and what they already partially developed, or what has more fan demand. I'd prefer the latter, but can live with the former.
 
X is unlikely to be a Xenoblade sequel. There are other games in the Xeno series, though.

Fire Emblem doesn't really have direct sequels either, so with Melee and Brawl, Sakurai made sure just to include the latest main character. Since MonolithSoft is now a first party and presumably going to be continually releasing new RPGs that start with 'X', I could see him doing the same thing. Just including the latest protagonist.
 
I appreciate that in the Smash4 developer's direct Sakurai just casually references shoryuken. I was like they do care...
 
Fire Emblem doesn't really have direct sequels either, so with Melee and Brawl, Sakurai made sure just to include the latest main character. Since MonolithSoft is now a first party and presumably going to be continually releasing new RPGs that start with 'X', I could see him doing the same thing. Just including the latest protagonist.

Now that I think of it, Mystery of the Emblem and Radiant Dawn are the only games that actually take place after the previous entry in their universe. FIRE EMBLEM TIMELINE SPECULATION
 
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Decided to refine my original roster guess a bit going off how I feel the roster's shaping up now we've gotten a proper look at the game. Doubt it'd be 100% correct, but after finally getting some time to play a decent amount into FE:Awakening I honestly do just see Sakurai replacing Ike with Chrom (I'd love to be wrong), appeasing people who want Mewtwo back by using his new X/Y form to also represent the new games, some sort of new Mario character (just mentally replace that empty space under Bowser with whoever) and resurrecting his axed Toon Zelda/Toon Sheik* idea to tie into WWHD and save a bit on development time (assuming anything had been started on them in Brawl). I'm a bit torn on whether Snake will stay, but ultimately due to his popularity in Brawl and the issue of having a completely original moveset being cut from Brawl to SSB4 with nobody to replace it with I'm siding with him making the jump to SSB4. Goroh's inclusion is complete wish-fulfillment but damn it F-Zero deserves a 2nd rep at this point.

*Still reckon this was supposed to be Tetra


There's no way we're getting 4 3rd parties.
 
Seeing as how FE:A was such a huge success, I'd be surprised if they cut Ike or Marth to add in Chrom. I'm expecting a three-rep situation.
I'd personally hope for that, but I'm simply going off the 6 or so hours I've gotten into FE:A so far where sword-wise Chrom seems very similar to Ike in quite a few ways. They could always integrate the pair-up system to differentiate him from the previous FE vets though.

There's no way we're getting 4 3rd parties.
That's honestly the lowest possible number I see us getting. Mega Man's in, Pac-Man was leaked, Sonic's a given and Snake's the only character up in the air, yet like I said cutting him would be cutting a wholly original moveset with nobody to replace it with. They did that before with Mewtwo (though he really does seem like he was supposed to be in Brawl, at least moreso than the other cut characters still on the disc) though, so there *is* a precedent. Before it comes up, I don't think MGSV not coming to the Wii U really factors in one way or the other; Snake had just as little to do with Nintendo when he was in Brawl, and part of his content even directly advertises MGS4, a PS3-exclusive.
 
It's pathetically easy to translate Shulk's moveset from Xenoblade into smash. His B moves can be comprised of his monado arts, and his smashes / normals can use based on his sword arts.

As for your first comment, it's subjective but I think his moveset is incredibly interesting.
Most of his sword arts and monado arts don't have a purpose in a game like Smash. Most of them have status effects or positional benefits that don't translate. Moves like Armor would also not translate well. Like I said, you would basically have his buster sword attacks.
 
X is unlikely to be a Xenoblade sequel. There are other games in the Xeno series, though.

Doesn't Shulk appear at the very end of the first X trailer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJACzjw3Lsc

1:10 - if it's not Shulk it sure looks like him. :p


Sakurai said recently that Megaman is a "special case" and not to expect 3rd party characters to be a common thing. Him saying that actually kind of dumbed down my hopes for Snake or Sonic returning. :(
 
That's honestly the lowest possible number I see us getting. Mega Man's in, Pac-Man was leaked, Sonic's a given and Snake's the only character up in the air, yet like I said cutting him would be cutting a wholly original moveset with nobody to replace it with.

Hang on...when did this happen?
 
Hang on...when did this happen?
Unedited, posted a day before the Direct.

Guy explains what's up here. While obviously things can change (like those last three characters obviously not showing up at E3), guessing a character who up until now was never even considered a character (Wii Fit Trainer) to the point where even Smashboards didn't have her as a character choice in their roster maker despite having upwards a 1,000 different choices is way too specific to be just pure luck. The way Nintendo cut up each character's trailers into different videos on their Direct youtube page makes me think it was easy for them to splice in and out different characters they saw fit before their E3 show, hence why we didn't see those last three.
 
I'm seriously just expecting two.

Honestly, I'm ok with Sonic not returning, as long as he has a replacement that plays the same way (I think that Dillon armadillo character would fit the role quite nicely). Not sure who they could replace Snake with though. No one in Nintendo's portfolio really comes to mind.

Ike is gone. They cut Roy for Ike. They'll cut Ike for Chrom.

And Pac-Man never leaked. People just assume it since Namco is making the game and the Galaga ship wouldn't make sense.

Don't say that. :( Ike was such a fun character in Brawl. Ideally, they would keep Ike, and replace Marth with "Marth".

As for Namco characters, I feel like a Tekken character would make the most sense. Or Soul Calibur, to return the favor from SCII. :p
 
Unedited, posted a day before the Direct.

Guy explains what's up here. While obviously things can change (like those last three characters obviously not showing up at E3), guessing a character who up until now was never even considered a character (Wii Fit Trainer) to the point where even Smashboards didn't have her as a character choice in their roster maker despite having upwards a 1,000 different choices is way too specific to be just pure luck. The way Nintendo cut up each character's trailers into different videos on their Direct youtube page makes me think it was easy for them to splice in and out different characters they saw fit before their E3 show, hence why we didn't see those last three.

I think it's our own fault we didn't get the reveal of the other characters. I'm sure if the game had been received less warmly, they would have spilled more stuff. They probably thought people were satisfied enough and decided to keep surprises for later.
 
That's honestly the lowest possible number I see us getting. Mega Man's in, Pac-Man was leaked, Sonic's a given and Snake's the only character up in the air, yet like I said cutting him would be cutting a wholly original moveset with nobody to replace it with.

I think they could work Snake's moveset into an advance wars or battalion wars character pretty easily.
 
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