Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS: Info Collection - Dojo, Mega Man and Trailer! 2014!

If we get a representative for Black & White, I hope for a second trainer with starters. X/Y might be too new to have a fully developed newcomer like that, due to being in development simultaneously with the new Smash, so they could add Mewtwo with his new alternate form to represent it(just remove the tail attacks and replace them with something else).
 
Changing Pokemon took too long. Brawl shiek too. It was better in melee when switching between Zelda/shiek was almost instant.
it's dependent on how fast the shit can load from disk

I play Project M off a usb hard drive I have my Brawl backed up to and it's nearly instant for Zelda (of course in Project M the Pokemon are separate characters to begin with :p) but when I play Brawl+ with my disc copy it takes a few seconds each time and sometimes it'll take shorter or longer than usual, seemingly at random
 
Oh, really? Ivysaur was my favorite of the three and I never quite felt vulnerable as him. Really, all three characters were excellent. I love Squirtle's spinning shell move and Charizard's air attack where he flaps his wings forward while blasting fire.

Squirtle's Withdraw was the manliest move in the game. With a bit of luck and positioning, you can tank through a character's Final Smash with it and have a fully-charged smash attack waiting for them when their invincibility ran out :)

Seriously, Sakurai. Lone Ranger Squirtle.
 
I always wanted Pokemon Trainer to be his own character that throws pokeballs to use attacks. So he might call a flying pokemon for his up B for example.
 
If they're putting another Star Fox character it better not be a fucking Star Fox pilot.
So... You're saying it should be Andross, General Scales, or a Star Wolf pilot, then?

I still think Slippy is the best and most deserving choice. He's been in every Star Fox game and he's super-unique compared to the others. Plus, his whole gizmos-and-gadgets motif could work nicely into his moves.
 
So how did gaf take the WFT news? I was ok with her after I saw the first trailer but hopefully her reception is still more positive than negative like everywhere else. She certainly didn't the the ROB reception that's for sure.
 
So how did gaf take the WFT news? I was ok with her after I saw the first trailer but hopefully her reception is still more positive than negative like everywhere else. She certainly didn't the the ROB reception that's for sure.
I love her. I think the consensus of the majority of the contributors in the thread is quite favourable.
 
Squirtle's Withdraw was the manliest move in the game. With a bit of luck and positioning, you can tank through a character's Final Smash with it and have a fully-charged smash attack waiting for them when their invincibility ran out :)

Seriously, Sakurai. Lone Ranger Squirtle.

Apparently, if Squirtle was his own character with no stamina flaw, he'd have been one of the best characters in the game :o
 
So how did gaf take the WFT news? I was ok with her after I saw the first trailer but hopefully her reception is still more positive than negative like everywhere else. She certainly didn't the the ROB reception that's for sure.
The GAF thread was nearly all positive. She was the most exciting reveal, IMO.
 
Changing Pokemon took too long. Brawl shiek too. It was better in melee when switching between Zelda/shiek was almost instant.

The loading was an issue in brawl on more than this, not only were the transitions between Pokemon and Zelda/Shiek a bit too long but also stuff like Event or All star matches against various characters would potentially have dead time in them where you waited around for the game to load up the next character to drop into the fight.

Speaking of events, the ones in brawl were kind of bad and i'm still not entirely sure why.
Brawl kind of dropped the ball on every single player mode from melee, Classic and All Star got locked into a samey approach making each run all too similar and then there was the limited target test.
The patching up of half of the various single player focused modes seemed to be shove multiplayer in it be it SSE, home run contests and events, not actually a bad move in itself but hopefully they'll take more care of single player modes this time.
 
So how did gaf take the WFT news? I was ok with her after I saw the first trailer but hopefully her reception is still more positive than negative like everywhere else. She certainly didn't the the ROB reception that's for sure.

There was a lot of negativity, then a lot of interest, and then generally positive as the naysayers moved onto other threads.
 
I always wanted Pokemon Trainer to be his own character that throws pokeballs to use attacks. So he might call a flying pokemon for his up B for example.

My only fear is that this would make PT's moveset slower. Outside of that, it sounds great.

So how did gaf take the WFT news? I was ok with her after I saw the first trailer but hopefully her reception is still more positive than negative like everywhere else. She certainly didn't the the ROB reception that's for sure.

I wasn't keen when it was announced, but then I see the reveal and loved her.
 
Slippy would be the best new Star Fox character. He could have a move where an enemy is on his tail and he screams for help.

So how did gaf take the WFT news? I was ok with her after I saw the first trailer but hopefully her reception is still more positive than negative like everywhere else. She certainly didn't the the ROB reception that's for sure.

Disbelief -> Acceptance -> Amusement
 
I guess I am in the minority, but I want a Mii character as a playable fighter. The Miis are synonymous with Nintendo's consoles now, and I think it would be stupid to leave them out of the game. Hell, I'd love it if the Mii characters functioned like a pseudo-character creator and allowed you to customize movesets (even if only in minor ways).

I can just imagine a 4-player brawl between my Picard, Worf, Geordi, and Riker Miis. In fact, knowing my friends and I, if this made the cut, that's probably all we'd play...
 
So how did gaf take the WFT news? I was ok with her after I saw the first trailer but hopefully her reception is still more positive than negative like everywhere else. She certainly didn't the the ROB reception that's for sure.

She did feel like a bit of a step down after someone as big as Mega Man. I also wonder how different from ZSS and Sheik she'll be, but I think she's a GREAT idea for a character.
 
Old discussion but it took me like half an hour to type it so here:

I love how just because of Awakening people who never even knew about Fire Emblem, now are basically shitting on it by asking that it's founding lord be left out over two reps from the same goddamn game.

The lords of Fire Emblem games are the following, in order:

Marth
Alm, Celica
Marth again
Sigurd, Seliph
Leaf
Roy
Eliwood, Hector, Lyn
Ephraim, Eirika
Ike
Ike, Micaiah
Chrom, Lucina

Now obviously I didn't mention the remakes, because they're remakes. I mentioned all the ones which I remembered from the games.

Marth is getting in, he's the titular lord of the entire goddamn series. People asking for Lucina over him are fucking insane. Now I'll admit that I haven't played Awakening yet, so I don't know the specific properties of each character, but given what I've read about Lucina. She can either either be an alt costume or if they want to play up Awakening's pairing thing then she can be some sort of tag team with Chrom, which would be pretty fun in my opinion.

As for the other lords here's a better look at them:

Marth, the first lord and the only lord to have appeared on more than 2 games IIRC. He's the fucking first lord, of course he's in goddamn it.

Alm and Celica come from Fire Emblem 2 or Gaiden. Almost nobody cares about them and they only qualify as lords due to technically being the protagonists of their game, so they have no chance.

Sigurd and Seliph are from Fire Emblem 4, which many I've heard many consider the best of the series. It is very important mechanics wise since it was this game that created the weapons triangle, and also was the first to have the relationship/children mechanic that many of you seem to love in Awakening. Last time there was a smash poll for characters, Seliph was one of the most requested Fire Emblem characters IIRC. Him and Sigurd are apparently some of the most popular lords in Japan. I don't know how if this feeling has continued, but I feel like this lends to him having a better chance than some other lords, not that it'd make him a for sure choice. I think that given the fact that his game hasn't released worldwide officially his chances are slim but still better than some of the other characters. Something unique about at least Sigurd is the fact that I think he was the first lord to ride a horse into battle and he could use lances as well. This could make for interesting moveset if it were to incorporate both things. Seliph can also use them after he promotes.

Leaf is from Fire Emblem 5, known as one of the hardest games in the series. This game was the one that created current chapter formats, instead of huge sprawling maps like the ones in FE4, we got smaller ones that focus on the troops movements in a village and whatnot like the ones we have in more recent games in the series. Leaf also shows up in FE4, and while he did get a redesign and appeared as DLC in Awakening, something that Seliph also got, he isn't all that requested and as far as I can remember has nothing too unique that could contribute to making him a playable character. His game also did not come out in the west, best thing for him would be an alt costume of another Fire Emblem lord.

Roy is from Fire Emblem 6, the first of the series to go on a portable console also never released in the west. Alright so a lot of people are asking for Roy back due to his inclusion in Melee, but the fact is that he was only in the game due to advertisement reasons. As a unique character he brings little in terms of innovation. His attacks in his game are kind of explosion and fire based due to the properties of his sword, but in Melee they just made him and Marth very similar with little having truly unique properties that represented them well. I honestly can't see Roy coming back for a good reason. He's another swordsman and his game doesn't hold all that much importance looking back on it. He also did get a redesign and was released in Awakening as DLC, while I think he's more suited to being an alt. costume some people seem to want him out of pure nostalgia for him being in Melee.

Eliwood, Hector and Lyn all from Fire Emblem 7 the first FE game to actually be released in the west. The prequel to FE6 starring Roy's father, the important thing here ironically enough has nothing to do with him. Eliwood himself is just another unit like Sigurd and Seliph, and an unremarkable and unpopular one at that. If a Lord Knight were to be included it'd probably be Sigurd or Seliph. The focus of this game lies in the other two. Lyn appeared in Brawl as an assist trophy. Currently the only default swordmaster lord in the series she'd not only be an interesting addition due to moveset potential but she'd also help bolster the female ratio in the roster. Easily my choice of this game but another potential is a fan favorite, Hector. Hector is the third and final lord of this game, he's IIRC the only lord in the series to primarily wield axes and not a sword. He would make for an incredibly interesting playable character in the next Smash, probably playing like an axe wielding Ike. Outside of moveset potential the important thing about this game lies in that it was the first of the series localized in the west and so it's a source of nostalgia for many western fans who started with this one, myself included. Lyn was another who appeared redesigned in Awakening as DLC.

Ephraim and Eirika both from Fire Emblem 8 which was also localized. Now this is another of the few fire emblem games I have not played, but aside from my personal experience with it many people seem to regard this as the black sheep of the series. I believe it was the first game in which there exists multiple reclasses and branching classes. Eirika and Ephraim are two lords in that Eirika is basically just another Lyn but with blue-er hair. Ephraim on the other hand is the interesting one here as he's the only Lord that actually has the Lance as his primary weapon and not as a sencondary, mounted or otherwise. I feel as though, he certainly has moveset potential but due to his game not having all that much importance in the series as a whole, the chances of either one are small or at least smaller than other characters that have similarities. Ephraim and Eirika were also released as DLC in Awakening. I can see both being alt. costumes for Lyn and Sigurd or Seliph respectivelly.

Ike from Fire Emblem 9 and 10, both released in the west. Ike was in Brawl as a playable character and many people want him back. Honestly Ike in Brawl had almost nothing to do with himself from his own games. Ike was never a slow character and that was changed in Brawl purely out of not wanting to make another fast swordsman. In fact even in 10 where Ike has buffed up CONSIDERABLY he's still ridiculously fast, it's just that now instead of only hitting like a truck he actually looks like one to match his strength. Ike was the current lord and so that was the reason for his inclusion in Brawl, seeing as that is not the case now I feel like the only reason he'd be back would be to keep the character and his properties. I really like Ike but the fact that he was so different from his character in his proper games always bothered me. I would enjoy seeing him back if only because he'd be another FE rep but honestly I'd prefer reps who have more significance to the franchise. He was also released as a redesigned DLC character in Awakening.

Micaiah from fire emblem 10 which was released in the west. An interesting case to be sure, she's the only default lord that is actually a magician. Her moveset potential could surely be argued and I think she'd make for an interesting choice. She would also help increase the female count of the roster so there is that as well. Outside those two things though there isn't much more to her, she isn't exactly all that popular as far as I can remember, and since her game has passed and it honestly doesn't have all that much relevance in terms of mechanics and etc to the franchise I can't see her getting picked as a rep. She was also released with a redesign as DLC in Awakening. From these games I would really prefer Ike over her.

Chrom and Lucina from the most recent game, Fire Emblem Awakening which obviously was localized and is responsible for the sudden increase in fans of the games. Like previously stated, I haven't had the chance to play this game yet something which I really want to change soon. Chrom is another swordsman but being the current lord and the "face" of the current game I am confident that he could get in over Lucina in case they had to chose only one of them. Lucina, from the little I've read, seems to be another swordsman who in a Smash game would probably work exactly like Marth due to her "history". I can't understand all of these people asking her to replace Marth, it's just the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of and completely impossible unless Sakurai is goddamn insane. The best thing they could do is work in a pair to kind of show the new game's pair up mechanic, that would be really interesting and honestly kind of the direction I hope they go into.

There, those are my thoughts on the FE franchise as a whole. Take it as you will, my choices would probably come down to Marth, Lyn, Seliph, Chrom/Lucina with the last being a pair.
 
Ness has an amazing killing back throw, he still never managed to set the world on fire :P One great kill move means nothing against the absolute best characters. Squirtle is a speedy character with really nice priority, it's a good character, but it's too flawed to be a "top tier" character as it is in Brawl.
 
Ness has an amazing killing back throw, he still never managed to set the world on fire :P One great kill move means nothing against the absolute best characters. Squirtle is a speedy character with really nice priority, it's a good character, but it's too flawed to be a "top tier" character as it is in Brawl.

Oh I just meant he wasn't completely weak.
 
Anyone else hoping/expecting for Smash 64/Melee type bonuses to come back? I mean the ones that appeared after every Single-Player mode battle and detailed what you did in the fight, I missed those in Brawl.
 
Old discussion but it took me like half an hour to type it so here:

I love how just because of Awakening people who never even knew about Fire Emblem, now are basically shitting on it by asking that it's founding lord be left out over two reps from the same goddamn game.

The lords of Fire Emblem games are the following, in order:

Marth
Alm, Celica
Marth again
Sigurd, Seliph
Leaf
Roy
Eliwood, Hector, Lyn
Ephraim, Eirika
Ike
Ike, Micaiah
Chrom, Lucina

Now obviously I didn't mention the remakes, because they're remakes. I mentioned all the ones which I remembered from the games.

Marth is getting in, he's the titular lord of the entire goddamn series. People asking for Lucina over him are fucking insane. Now I'll admit that I haven't played Awakening yet, so I don't know the specific properties of each character, but given what I've read about Lucina. She can either either be an alt costume or if they want to play up Awakening's pairing thing then she can be some sort of tag team with Chrom, which would be pretty fun in my opinion.

As for the other lords here's a better look at them:

Marth, the first lord and the only lord to have appeared on more than 2 games IIRC. He's the fucking first lord, of course he's in goddamn it.

Alm and Celica come from Fire Emblem 2 or Gaiden. Almost nobody cares about them and they only qualify as lords due to technically being the protagonists of their game, so they have no chance.

Sigurd and Seliph are from Fire Emblem 4, which many I've heard many consider the best of the series. It is very important mechanics wise since it was this game that created the weapons triangle, and also was the first to have the relationship/children mechanic that many of you seem to love in Awakening. Last time there was a smash poll for characters, Seliph was one of the most requested Fire Emblem characters IIRC. Him and Sigurd are apparently some of the most popular lords in Japan. I don't know how if this feeling has continued, but I feel like this lends to him having a better chance than some other lords, not that it'd make him a for sure choice. I think that given the fact that his game hasn't released worldwide officially his chances are slim but still better than some of the other characters. Something unique about at least Sigurd is the fact that I think he was the first lord to ride a horse into battle and he could use lances as well. This could make for interesting moveset if it were to incorporate both things. Seliph can also use them after he promotes.

Leaf is from Fire Emblem 5, known as one of the hardest games in the series. This game was the one that created current chapter formats, instead of huge sprawling maps like the ones in FE4, we got smaller ones that focus on the troops movements in a village and whatnot like the ones we have in more recent games in the series. Leaf also shows up in FE4, and while he did get a redesign and appeared as DLC in Awakening, something that Seliph also got, he isn't all that requested and as far as I can remember has nothing too unique that could contribute to making him a playable character. His game also did not come out in the west, best thing for him would be an alt costume of another Fire Emblem lord.

Roy is from Fire Emblem 6, the first of the series to go on a portable console also never released in the west. Alright so a lot of people are asking for Roy back due to his inclusion in Melee, but the fact is that he was only in the game due to advertisement reasons. As a unique character he brings little in terms of innovation. His attacks in his game are kind of explosion and fire based due to the properties of his sword, but in Melee they just made him and Marth very similar with little having truly unique properties that represented them well. I honestly can't see Roy coming back for a good reason. He's another swordsman and his game doesn't hold all that much importance looking back on it. He also did get a redesign and was released in Awakening as DLC, while I think he's more suited to being an alt. costume some people seem to want him out of pure nostalgia for him being in Melee.

Eliwood, Hector and Lyn all from Fire Emblem 7 the first FE game to actually be released in the west. The prequel to FE6 starring Roy's father, the important thing here ironically enough has nothing to do with him. Eliwood himself is just another unit like Sigurd and Seliph, and an unremarkable and unpopular one at that. If a Lord Knight were to be included it'd probably be Sigurd or Seliph. The focus of this game lies in the other two. Lyn appeared in Brawl as an assist trophy. Currently the only default swordmaster lord in the series she'd not only be an interesting addition due to moveset potential but she'd also help bolster the female ratio in the roster. Easily my choice of this game but another potential is a fan favorite, Hector. Hector is the third and final lord of this game, he's IIRC the only lord in the series to primarily wield axes and not a sword. He would make for an incredibly interesting playable character in the next Smash, probably playing like an axe wielding Ike. Outside of moveset potential the important thing about this game lies in that it was the first of the series localized in the west and so it's a source of nostalgia for many western fans who started with this one, myself included. Lyn was another who appeared redesigned in Awakening as DLC.

Ephraim and Eirika both from Fire Emblem 8 which was also localized. Now this is another of the few fire emblem games I have not played, but aside from my personal experience with it many people seem to regard this as the black sheep of the series. I believe it was the first game in which there exists multiple reclasses and branching classes. Eirika and Ephraim are two lords in that Eirika is basically just another Lyn but with blue-er hair. Ephraim on the other hand is the interesting one here as he's the only Lord that actually has the Lance as his primary weapon and not as a sencondary, mounted or otherwise. I feel as though, he certainly has moveset potential but due to his game not having all that much importance in the series as a whole, the chances of either one are small or at least smaller than other characters that have similarities. Ephraim and Eirika were also released as DLC in Awakening. I can see both being alt. costumes for Lyn and Sigurd or Seliph respectivelly.

Ike from Fire Emblem 9 and 10, both released in the west. Ike was in Brawl as a playable character and many people want him back. Honestly Ike in Brawl had almost nothing to do with himself from his own games. Ike was never a slow character and that was changed in Brawl purely out of not wanting to make another fast swordsman. In fact even in 10 where Ike has buffed up CONSIDERABLY he's still ridiculously fast, it's just that now instead of only hitting like a truck he actually looks like one to match his strength. Ike was the current lord and so that was the reason for his inclusion in Brawl, seeing as that is not the case now I feel like the only reason he'd be back would be to keep the character and his properties. I really like Ike but the fact that he was so different from his character in his proper games always bothered me. I would enjoy seeing him back if only because he'd be another FE rep but honestly I'd prefer reps who have more significance to the franchise. He was also released as a redesigned DLC character in Awakening.

Micaiah from fire emblem 10 which was released in the west. An interesting case to be sure, she's the only default lord that is actually a magician. Her moveset potential could surely be argued and I think she'd make for an interesting choice. She would also help increase the female count of the roster so there is that as well. Outside those two things though there isn't much more to her, she isn't exactly all that popular as far as I can remember, and since her game has passed and it honestly doesn't have all that much relevance in terms of mechanics and etc to the franchise I can't see her getting picked as a rep. She was also released with a redesign as DLC in Awakening. From these games I would really prefer Ike over her.

Chrom and Lucina from the most recent game, Fire Emblem Awakening which obviously was localized and is responsible for the sudden increase in fans of the games. Like previously stated, I haven't had the chance to play this game yet something which I really want to change soon. Chrom is another swordsman but being the current lord and the "face" of the current game I am confident that he could get in over Lucina in case they had to chose only one of them. Lucina, from the little I've read, seems to be another swordsman who in a Smash game would probably work exactly like Marth due to her "history". I can't understand all of these people asking her to replace Marth, it's just the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of and completely impossible unless Sakurai is goddamn insane. The best thing they could do is work in a pair to kind of show the new game's pair up mechanic, that would be really interesting and honestly kind of the direction I hope they go into.

There, those are my thoughts on the FE franchise as a whole. Take it as you will, my choices would probably come down to Marth, Lyn, Seliph, Chrom/Lucina with the last being a pair.

Quoting because I buried this huge post.
 
Nope. Too light, has no range, recovery is mediocre. He'd be mid tier I think, somewhere below Peach and Kirby.

Are you sure? Squirtle has incredible aerial mobility, good damage racking ability, and can edge guard like a pro. His range on his aerials are decent enough (he's pretty much a dedicated aerial fighter). Being light is hardly a weakness in brawl because of the proration system and the tricks used to avoid getting killed (spamming aerials to kill the momentum after being launched). I completely disagree with your last point, his recovery is strong and consistent.

I'd say he'd definitely be above Kirby at the very least.
 
My only fear is that this would make PT's moveset slower. Outside of that, it sounds great.

Yeah, I would hope if it was to be done that the pokeball animations would be short. It's too bad that the character design would be highly unlikely, because it's always been my favorite idea for a character.
 
I love her. I think the consensus of the majority of the contributors in the thread is quite favourable.

There was a lot of negativity, then a lot of interest, and then generally positive as the naysayers moved onto other threads.


The GAF thread was nearly all positive. She was the most exciting reveal, IMO.

Slippy would be the best new Star Fox character. He could have a move where an enemy is on his tail and he screams for help.



Disbelief -> Acceptance -> Amusement
So like everywhere else then?, that's good to see at least. I guess people moved on to the supposed leak to try to prepare themselves for a potential mii reveal.
 
How do people who keep suggesting Zoroark keep forgetting about name tags? That would instantly kill any sort of Illusion tactics.

It's killed in a 1 v 1 setting too. The intention is that Zoroark disguises its appearance, but not its moves (just like in the game)

Ness has an amazing killing back throw, he still never managed to set the world on fire :P One great kill move means nothing against the absolute best characters. Squirtle is a speedy character with really nice priority, it's a good character, but it's too flawed to be a "top tier" character as it is in Brawl.
Ness didn't set the world on fire because he was on of the most flawed and mediocre characters in the game. He had an awful ground game, terrible recovery and grab release exploits that gave taller characters the ability to chain grab him OR grab him into a forward smash. It didn't help that one of the best characters in the game (marth) had a freaking pseudo infinite on him. His best (and only) approach option was his predictable Forward Air. He was just... bad. Not as offensively bad as the Triforce tier characters, but he was still really bad.
 
Are you sure? Squirtle has incredible aerial mobility, good damage racking ability, and can edge guard like a pro. His range on his aerials are decent enough (he's pretty much a dedicated aerial fighter).

I'd say he'd definitely be above Kirby at the very least.
First of all - above Kirby puts him in the middle of the tier list :P So yeah, absolutely not one of the best characters in the game. Second, we can know how he fares against the top characters even with the stamina thing - he pretty much gets demolished by MetaKnight, Ice Climbers, Olimar, Diddy, Marth, Snake... you name it.

Again, his incredibly short range hurts him a ton when you have Snake and his disjointed ridiculous hitboxes, MetaKnight's sword attacks that don't even interact with any other move, Olimar and Diddy's absurd projectile game, etc. - Plus he's UBER light. And no top tier character can afford to have such mediocre recovery.
 
What we need in the roster is more bad guys from the other respective series: Black Shadow (F-Zero), K.Rool (DK), Ridley (Metroid), Medusa (Kid Icarus).
 
So how did gaf take the WFT news? I was ok with her after I saw the first trailer but hopefully her reception is still more positive than negative like everywhere else. She certainly didn't the the ROB reception that's for sure.

I hate her by far the worse addition they could have picked. Ill never be playing Smash again because of her.


Just kidding. As you can tell from my avatar she's a great addition. If snake gets the cut she is my fall back. Hell I ready called dibs on her between my friends. I play by favorite characters not who's the best. So even if she sucks ill figure her out.
 
It was an old interview before work ever started on the game (probably when it was announced). Maybe 2011?

Well, I remembered that article. It was referred to 3DS version as SSB64-2. I can't find it.. Hmm it's strange.

I guess I am in the minority, but I want a Mii character as a playable fighter. The Miis are synonymous with Nintendo's consoles now, and I think it would be stupid to leave them out of the game. Hell, I'd love it if the Mii characters functioned like a pseudo-character creator and allowed you to customize movesets (even if only in minor ways).

I can just imagine a 4-player brawl between my Picard, Worf, Geordi, and Riker Miis. In fact, knowing my friends and I, if this made the cut, that's probably all we'd play...

Yeah, I'm psyched about Mii since I'm curious which games they would borrow from for their moveset.
 
I hate Miis because this gaming icon fighting game will feature online matches with Mario, Mega Man, Link and George93 or xXxNarutoRocksxXx.
 
Leaf is from Fire Emblem 5, known as one of the hardest games in the series. This game was the one that created current chapter formats, instead of huge sprawling maps like the ones in FE4, we got smaller ones that focus on the troops movements in a village and whatnot like the ones we have in more recent games in the series. Leaf also shows up in FE4, and while he did get a redesign and appeared as DLC in Awakening, something that Seliph also got, he isn't all that requested and as far as I can remember has nothing too unique that could contribute to making him a playable character. His game also did not come out in the west, best thing for him would be an alt costume of another Fire Emblem lord.

While I agree that Leif is ridiculously unpopular and unlikely, I kinda think he gets too little credit here. Though he was a sword-wielding lord in his own game, he could promote to use any weapon type but dark magic in FE4 which I think would give him a huge edge as far as having a versatile moveset goes. He also has the unique(? I don't remember) ability to capture enemies and take their stuff which could be a kind of neat disabling move.

edit: I guess I should also note that I'm just kinda biased for Leif. Thracia being my first experience with the series.
 
What we need in the roster is more bad guys from the other respective series: Black Shadow (F-Zero), K.Rool (DK), Ridley (Metroid), Medusa (Kd Icarus).

I would agreed with you.


Black Shadow (Ganondorf clone)
King K. Rool
Ridley
Medusa/Hades
Bowser Jr.
King Hippo
Captain Syrup
Black Knight

I hate Miis because this gaming icon fighting game will feature online matches with Mario, Mega Man, Link and George93 or xXxNarutoRocksxXx.

What if you can't custom the Mii?
 
First of all - above Kirby puts him in the middle of the tier list :P So yeah, absolutely not one of the best characters in the game. Second, we can know how he fares against the top characters even with the stamina thing - he pretty much gets demolished by MetaKnight, Ice Climbers, Olimar, Diddy, Marth, Snake... you name it.

Again, his incredibly short range hurts him a ton when you have Snake and his disjointed ridiculous hitboxes, MetaKnight's sword attacks that don't even interact with any other move, Olimar and Diddy's absurd projectile game, etc. - Plus he's UBER light. And no top tier character can afford to have such mediocre recovery.

It's been a long time since I was into smash, but i'm pretty sure his matchups vs the top tiers aren't that bad. I remember a well known Squirtle main breaking it down, and saying he'd have a decent matchup vs everyone but Metaknight, but that might have changed for all we know.

I think you're flat out wrong about his recovery though. It's impossible for a character with that much air mobility to have a bad recovery, more often than nought he can make it back to stage with just his jumps alone, and his Up B is great at getting people off of him(and has good range air normals to bat enemies away). You keep harping on his lightness, but it's not that much of a weakness in a defensive game like Brawl. Even light characters live to absurd % because of the proration system.
 
Yeah, I'm psyched about Mii since I'm curious which games they would borrow from for their moveset.
I could easily see moves based on Wii Sports/Resort, Wii Play/Motion, and possibly Find Mii and its sequel. Maybe make B+Up the jetpack from Pilotwings Resort.

I'd say "maybe go the Find Mii route and make it so different colored shirts = powers/attacks", but that'd probably screw with the alt colors.
 
I always wanted Pokemon Trainer to be his own character that throws pokeballs to use attacks. So he might call a flying pokemon for his up B for example.

N fits this, not Pokemon Trainer. It fits his persona. Would be cool if all of his attacks are Pokemon-summoning and therefore has so much disjointed hitboxes and suffers little lag/recovery, but is very frail.

So... You're saying it should be Andross, General Scales, or a Star Wolf pilot, then?

Leon or Panther :3

Slippy confirmed

oh god no
 
Interesting FE post from Ezalc there.

I remember being pretty sceptical about the idea of Ike being a relatively slow character in Brawl, after all he was never like that in FE9 or 10, but damn did I grow to love that approach.
I don't see it so much that Ike's a heavy character in the vein of DK and Bowser, more that Ragnell is a weighty sword, each swing of gold landing with a ton of impact, while Ike isn't exactly swift his quick draw and Aether moves still show him as having some speedy tricks up his sleeve so it kind of created a nice balance between his in game self and his brawl counterpart.
Compared to Marth's style there's a nice contrast in a way that compliments both characters, you have the royal Marth with a refined quick style that has an air of elegance to it, then you've got the mercenary Ike waving around a heavy blade with almost reckless abandon.
Shall I mention again that i'll be gutted if Ike gets cut? because I really will.

i'll add two more points related to the big post...
- Yep, people asking for freaking Marth of all FE characters to be replaced are in cloud cuckoo land, if anything Awakening strengthens his position as the series central lord.
- The SNES FE games seemed to get the shaft in Brawl right down to stage themes and even stickers if I recall, I wonder if those games will get more of a spotlight shined on them in this new entry, but I wouldn't expect any playable characters.

What we need in the roster is more bad guys from the other respective series: Black Shadow (F-Zero), K.Rool (DK), Ridley (Metroid), Medusa (Kid Icarus).
I liked the idea of this SSB game being themed around heroes vs villains, it didn't happen but it was nice to dream.
 
Fucking BAWS looking Lyn from Awakening would be a dream come true.

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DO IT SAKURAI. You know you want that red hot character design in there.
 
It's been a long time since I was into smash, but i'm pretty sure his matchups vs the top tiers aren't that bad. I remember a well known Squirtle main breaking it down, but that might have changed for all we know.

I think you're flat out wrong about his recovery though. It's impossible for a character with that much air mobility to have a bad recovery, more often than nought he can make it back to stage with just his jumps alone. His Up B is great at getting people off of him. You keep harping on his lightness, but it's not that much of a weakness in a defensive game like Brawl. Even light characters live to absurd % because of the proration system.
Well, I'll tell you how many Squirtles have won any big tournaments. It's below 1 and above -1 :P Squirtle is -terrible- against pretty much the entire top tier block. I don't even mention Marth who outranges him like heck and kills him absurdly early with his tippers. And his amazing air speed doesn't mean anything when he's so easy to gimp. This is not theory, Brawl is a 5 years old game and it has became pretty clear that Squirtle by himself isn't an amazing character. Again, mid tier material. And no - recovery is still really important and what has made characters like Link, Ike or Bowser keep their usual placing.
 
What we need in the roster is more bad guys from the other respective series: Black Shadow (F-Zero), K.Rool (DK), Ridley (Metroid), Medusa (Kid Icarus).

Why Black Shadow? Of all of the other F-Zero characters, why him? What is it that makes everyone think he is the most likely F-Zero rival character? Why not Samurai Goroh, who actually showed up as an assist trophy and dates back to the first game (where he was more or less Falcon's main rival character). Why not Pico, who is also one of the original four playable racers, villainous, and an ex-military assassin to boot.

If you want villains, we could always use a Fire Emblem villain, such as Gharnef or Medeus. They are probably more material for Adventure mode bosses, but you never know.
 
Why Black Shadow? Of all of the other F-Zero characters, why him? What is it that makes everyone think he is the most likely F-Zero rival character?

Because he has thing out for Captain Falcon, he looks way more menacing/intimidating then Samurai Goroh, he definitely plays up the villainous role. That, and because of the F-Zero Anime.
 
Well, I'll tell you how many Squirtles have won any big tournaments. It's below 1 and above -1 :P Squirtle is -terrible- against pretty much the entire top tier block. I don't even mention Marth who outranges him like heck and kills him absurdly early with his tippers. And his amazing air speed doesn't mean anything when he's so easy to gimp. This is not theory, Brawl is a 5 years old game and it has became pretty clear that Squirtle by himself isn't an amazing character. Again, mid tier material. And no - recovery is still really important and what has made characters like Link, Ike or Bowser keep their usual placing.

Well duh, of course he wouldn't be able to win any tournaments while tied down by the stamina system, I thought we just established that. No need to be condescending (guess how many majors Kirby has won in brawl's lifespan. It's below 1 and above -1!) You're right, I can't say that Squirtle without the stamina system is a great character, but conversely, you can't say he's a bad character either because it's pure theory.

Also, I never said recovery wasn't important. I said Squirtle's recovery is actually good (which for some reason, you refuse to accept that it's good).
 
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