Metal Gear Solid V (PS3/360/PS4/XBO/Maybe PC) - Extended 9 minute E3 trailer

matrix-cat said:
PW is probably the most disappointing game in the series for me because it just skips over such an interesting point in the series' timeline. Almost no mention of the Les Enfants Terribles project, nothing between Big Boss and Zero, no appearance from Ocelot or Eva or any recurring characters, except the awful Huey who I really wanted to forget. Big Boss being best buds with Otacon's Dad, who looks and sounds and acts exactly like Otacon in every way is Metal Gear's Darth-Vader-made-C-3PO point.

I'm really hoping Zero will actually make an appearance in MGSV.
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Yes, yes, yes. Agree with you on all points, especially the part about Huey. After MGS4's deeply flawed (though still enjoyable) plot and the total letdown that was PW, I lost a fair amount of enthusiasm for the series going forward.

And yet I can't help but be incredibly intrigued once again after watching the MGSV trailers. It would be a great thing if Kojima were to return to form.
 
duckroll said:
It's really kinda stupid that Kojima is running out of actual antagonist organizations, but he doesn't want to use the same names over and over, so he just makes up new names to refer to the same organization/persons. A huuuuuge sign of overwriting. :P
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MSF ->Diamond Dogs -> Outer Heaven

Diamond Dogs wasn't really needed.
 
Ether_Snake said:
Big Boss taunts Liquid to shape him, much like The Boss acted as if she was a patriot to the point where Big Boss would have to kill her, when in reality her country had taken everything from her, doing this so that Big Boss would not live on as just "another soldier with a gun" but one who would fight for himself.

That's how it played out with The Boss, and with all the "I'm already a demon" stuff, I think Big Boss will do the same. He's going to go all the way, and hopes Liquid will grow to hate him and not become like him. That or he taunts him to make him hate The Patriots, basically making Liquid his own child soldier who will resent his fate so much he would one day try to take The Patriots down.

I wonder where Solidus fits in all this, he was the most Big Boss-like of all of them:/

On another topic: It's Ocelot at the end who seems to say that Huey gave up info under torture, about Cypher working on a weapon to surpass Metal Gear. So it goes: GZ, PP hospital, Afghanistan, Diamond Dogs formed, Huey captured, interrogated, goes to Africa? Wonder why Diamond Dogs would exist before going to Africa though.

And I repeat, no one has mentioned this: wth will Big Boss do that allows him to lead Fox Hound again? It said FOX VS XOF. So won't Big Boss have to get back on good terms with The Patriots to be allowed to lead FOX, or at least attempt to pretend that he is turning his back on his private army to do so? Kind of complicated.
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You are confusing the FOX Unit and FOXHOUND. FOX was a secret unit formed by the CIA with Major Zero, FOX was disbanded during the events of Portable Ops. In Portable Ops Big Boss essentially begins to create FOXHOUND with Roy Campbell to take down the rogue FOX members, at the end of PO he officially creates FOXHOUND. This unit is unofficially part of the U.S. Army.

Now how he goes from MSF/Outer Heaven back to FOXHOUND is still a mystery. But one thing that troubled me that someone else mentions is how Peace Walker totally skips over the most interesting and most important part of BB's story, his split with the Patriots. By the time PW starts BB has already had his split with the Patriots and Zero and goes back to soldiering. We never get a clear picture of how, why, and when exactly he splits off.

Maybe MGSV will explain this a bit considering Ocelot is in the game. Also the tagline for Ocelot was "A rival living a lie." What does that mean? I mean Ocelot always saw Big Boss as an idol, but is it implying that he is also his rival? The living a lie part doesnt sound too hard to understand, Ocelot is the master of living a lie. At this point in the timeline he may even still be pretending to work for Cipher.
 
Yeah, ever since Peace Walker and the first trailers for this game I've been baffled on how on Earth Kojima gets Big Boss and Miller back to America as FOX-HOUND operatives. Especially in such a way that Big Boss can establish his third "Outer Heaven" mercenary company while (ostensibly) undercover.

Unless this game ends with Big Boss having some kind of realization that he needs to work on the inside and pretends to submit to Cipher and Zero or whatever. But they'd have to be kind of stupid to let him back in or not see what was going on.
 
Actually, on the subject of "how on Earth is Kojima going to _______," how on Earth is Kojima going to explain the events of Peace Walker to people who haven't played an MGS game since 4. It's considered a main entry in the series and much of the premise for MGSV's story is based on what happened in Peace Walker, and not a lot of people played that game yet are interested in MGSV.

And Peace Walker, as noted, already started after a large gap in the timeline (while almost entirely ignoring Portable Ops). A lot of people are going to be even more confused by a Metal Gear game than usual when the game starts talking about Paz, Chico, MSF, Cipher, and Mother Base, and really goddamned confused when a guy who looks and sounds just like Otacon appears and if they start talking about that whole "robot with a Boss AI in it" thing. I wonder if Kojima even realized that only a fraction of the potential userbase for V even knows what happens in PW, or if he was too busy admiring all the product placement in it.
 
erm guys, its OBVIOUS that at the end of ground zreoes, grey fox is extensively injured.... but then he receives plastic surgery to look like big boss and has his memory wiped. this is because another group wants to ruin big bosses legendary image. whath appens is that the real big boss (voiced by hater) is now part of the cipher, so he starts sending in the ghosts of his past to kill grey fox/snake.

its very obvious that this is a ploy a counter group to ruin cypher by ruining big bosses image.
 
Chinner said:
erm guys, its OBVIOUS that at the end of ground zreoes, grey fox is extensively injured.... but then he receives plastic surgery to look like big boss and has his memory wiped. this is because another group wants to ruin big bosses legendary image. whath appens is that the real big boss (voiced by hater) is now part of the cipher, so he starts sending in the ghosts of his past to kill grey fox/snake.

its very obvious that this is a ploy a counter group to ruin cypher by ruining big bosses image.
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you act like that would even be in a top 5 list of craziest/dumbest shit to ever happen in this series.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Yeah, ever since Peace Walker and the first trailers for this game I've been baffled on how on Earth Kojima gets Big Boss and Miller back to America as FOX-HOUND operatives. Especially in such a way that Big Boss can establish his third "Outer Heaven" mercenary company while (ostensibly) undercover.

Unless this game ends with Big Boss having some kind of realization that he needs to work on the inside and pretends to submit to Cipher and Zero or whatever. But they'd have to be kind of stupid to let him back in or not see what was going on.
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I am betting in truce at the end of V. BB becomes an actual threath to Cypher/Patriots and creates Outer Heaven, but they agree to let things be for sometime cold war style (Miller and BB end leading Foxhound as some sort of "cover", Miller ends being a Double Agent to BB favor all along ala Ocelot and ends helping Snake in MG2 because ... Nanomachines or something). Until Metal Gear happens and they send Snake to kill BB.
 
duckroll said:
Army's Heaven -> MSF -> Diamond Dogs -> Outer Heaven -> Shadow Moses -> Arsenal Gear -> Outer Haven

The search for an independent state for soldiers never ends!!!!
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You're missing Zanzibarland, and don't forget that that's also what
Armstrong
was fighting for. Basically every game has had some form of Outer Heaven in it besides MGS3, and it's heavily implied that the Boss was the inspiration for the whole Mercenary Nation concept.
 
/v/ just finished a 2-day poll for best MGS. Figured I'd post it here instead of a new thread. The closest battles were between MG Rising vs Ghost Babel and Twin Snakes v.s. MG2:SS. The biggest landslide was Snake Eater/Subsistence vs MGS Touch lol

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I think that in future polls if Phantom Pain ends up being amazing it will further divide the "Big Boss vote" as I call it, leaving the MGS2 fans straight open for another quarter final win.

duckroll said:
Army's Heaven -> MSF -> Diamond Dogs -> Outer Heaven -> Shadow Moses -> Arsenal Gear -> Outer Haven

The search for an independent state for soldiers never ends!!!!
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Shadow Moses were called "Sons of Big Boss" although it's only brought up once or twice. One could also just call them the Genome Soldiers. Also you're missing the Sons of Liberty and Zanzibar.
 
Technically it's


MSF/"Outer Heaven" -> Diamond Dogs -> Outer Heaven Fo' Realz -> Zanzibarland -> Sons of Big Boss/"Outer Heaven" -> Sons of Liberty -> Outer H
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aven
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Actually, on the subject of "how on Earth is Kojima going to _______," how on Earth is Kojima going to explain the events of Peace Walker to people who haven't played an MGS game since 4. It's considered a main entry in the series and much of the premise for MGSV's story is based on what happened in Peace Walker, and not a lot of people played that game yet are interested in MGSV.

And Peace Walker, as noted, already started after a large gap in the timeline (while almost entirely ignoring Portable Ops). A lot of people are going to be even more confused by a Metal Gear game than usual when the game starts talking about Paz, Chico, MSF, Cipher, and Mother Base, and really goddamned confused when a guy who looks and sounds just like Otacon appears and if they start talking about that whole "robot with a Boss AI in it" thing. I wonder if Kojima even realized that only a fraction of the potential userbase for V even knows what happens in PW, or if he was too busy admiring all the product placement in it.
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Maybe it will have a "Previous Missions" briefing in the main menu. Or, it will be very exposition heavy at the beginning as they recall the events of Peace Walker for those who didn't play it.
 
Gun Animal said:
You're missing Zanzibarland, and don't forget that that's also what
Armstrong
was fighting for. Basically every game has had some form of Outer Heaven in it besides MGS3, and it's heavily implied that the Boss was the inspiration for the whole Mercenary Nation concept.
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She is. Well, not so much The Boss, but her death. The entire concept of a military utopia was born from the fact that someone as decorated and respected as her was forced into that sort of demise. The fear was that if she could be used in this way, anyone could be, and no soldier is safe from the manipulation of the world's governments, so soldiers gotta look after soldiers.

Metal Gear is the ultimate military fantasy comic book story. :P
 
NYR94 said:
Maybe it will have a "Previous Missions" briefing in the main menu. Or, it will be very exposition heavy at the beginning as they recall the events of Peace Walker for those who didn't play it.
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Either that, or Game Trailers does a wrap-up like they did for the whole MGS series before MGS4.
 
autobzooty said:
As for David Hayter, all I'll say is that the Big Boss (sans horn) has never spoken in english in any trailer, and when he spoke in japanese, he had the same voice he always had. i know kojima gave his reasons why the japanese voice was kept the same, but i'm gonna go ahead and call chemtrails on that shit.
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But if he suddenly gets an entirely different voice after his coma, the eventual reveal that he's not really Big Boss won't be much of a twist, will it?
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Actually, on the subject of "how on Earth is Kojima going to _______," how on Earth is Kojima going to explain the events of Peace Walker to people who haven't played an MGS game since 4.
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I remember how MGS started you off kind of blind. The previous mission entries were optional to read, as were the game's own briefings lol

People just mentioned things like "the remains of Big Boss" and "Zanzibar" casually.
 
autobzooty said:
hopefully SOMEONE does. i played through peace walker twice and still barely understand what happened with Paz in the end.
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Haha, seriously. I love the series and all its convoluted craziness, but good lord, it's daunting sometimes. I've watched that plot retrospective two or three times, played every game in the series multiple times...and I still couldn't tell you a whole lot about Grey Fox. I'd need to look at a wiki to get a refresher.
 
Erigu said:
But if he suddenly gets an entirely different voice after his coma, the eventual reveal that he's not really Big Boss won't be much of a twist, will it?
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same thing happened with the MGS2 raiden thing. they were calling him Snake in the opening cutscene there, but the voice was totally different so it wasn't surprising when it was a different person.

plus if we play as the real big boss in ground zeroes, imagine the pants shitting when players hear david hayter speak his first line, when they were expecting keifer and they display hayter's name under snake.

again, not saying it'll happen, but it'd definitely be cool, and i'm pretty confident that there is some deception happening with people's identities.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Actually, on the subject of "how on Earth is Kojima going to _______," how on Earth is Kojima going to explain the events of Peace Walker to people who haven't played an MGS game since 4. It's considered a main entry in the series and much of the premise for MGSV's story is based on what happened in Peace Walker, and not a lot of people played that game yet are interested in MGSV.

And Peace Walker, as noted, already started after a large gap in the timeline (while almost entirely ignoring Portable Ops). A lot of people are going to be even more confused by a Metal Gear game than usual when the game starts talking about Paz, Chico, MSF, Cipher, and Mother Base, and really goddamned confused when a guy who looks and sounds just like Otacon appears and if they start talking about that whole "robot with a Boss AI in it" thing. I wonder if Kojima even realized that only a fraction of the potential userbase for V even knows what happens in PW, or if he was too busy admiring all the product placement in it.
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All you really have to know is that Big Boss has/had started to work on Outer Heaven, and the folks you mentioned are part of that. I really don't think it'll be that hard to incorporate in broad strokes.
 
Sub_Level said:
I remember how MGS started you off kind of blind. The previous mission entries were optional to read, as were the game's own briefings lol
People just mentioned things like "the remains of Big Boss" and "Zanzibar" casually.
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Then again, in a way, Metal Gear Solid kinda assumed you hadn't played the previous games. It recycled a lot of stuff directly from Metal Gear 2, and took quite a few liberties with key elements of the previous plots (suuuuure, Big Boss told you he was your father, Snake!).


autobzooty said:
same thing happened with the MGS2 raiden thing. they were calling him Snake in the opening cutscene there, but the voice was totally different so it wasn't surprising when it was a different person.
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Do you expect the reveal to happen within a mere few minutes this time as well though?
 
autobzooty said:
same thing happened with the MGS2 raiden thing. they were calling him Snake in the opening cutscene there, but the voice was totally different so it wasn't surprising when it was a different person.

plus if we play as the real big boss in ground zeroes, imagine the pants shitting when players hear david hayter speak his first line, when they were expecting keifer and they display hayter's name under snake.

again, not saying it'll happen, but it'd definitely be cool, and i'm pretty confident that there is some deception happening with people's identities.
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IIRC, Japanese Raiden's voice is actually quite deeper and intentionally resembles Snake's Japanese voice to the point that players listening to Raiden muffled under his mask might not immediately pick up on it.
 
Shauni said:
All you really have to know is that Big Boss has/had started to work on Outer Heaven, and the folks you mentioned are part of that. I really don't think it'll be that hard to incorporate in broad strokes.
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i dunno. first trailer talks a lot about how paz is like a quadruple agent and how she betrayed them and omg she's still alive and blah blah blah cipher. plus all this chico business.

but i kinda expect that this game is gonna go the MGS4 route of "didn't play the previous games? ask me if i care."
 
Sub_Level said:
/v/ just finished a 2-day poll for best MGS. Figured I'd post it here instead of a new thread. The closest battles were between MG Rising vs Ghost Babel and Twin Snakes v.s. MG2:SS. The biggest landslide was Snake Eater/Subsistence vs MGS Touch lol



I think that in future polls if Phantom Pain ends up being amazing it will further divide the "Big Boss vote" as I call it, leaving the MGS2 fans straight open for another quarter final win.



Shadow Moses were called "Sons of Big Boss" although it's only brought up once or twice. One could also just call them the Genome Soldiers. Also you're missing the Sons of Liberty and Zanzibar.
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WTF MGS2 over MG2SS.....
 
matrix-cat said:
If you look carefully in the new trailer, Big Boss already has the Diamond Dogs logo on his left shoulder during the mission to rescue Kaz.
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Hadn't noticed that. So I guess Ocelot and Kaz have been building this organization during those nine years.

Diamond Dogs, Fox Hound. Both are dogs. But as I said before Kaz and Big Boss are supposed to go back to Foxhound later. It says out of FOX came two phantoms, and then FOX VS XOF. Maybe it means that there are two different "clans" that came out of the MPO events?

Big Boss has to do something to be able to get back at the head of Foxhound...

The whole story is really a mess. Ocelot is against the Patriots yet apparently working with them. It's so dump that MPO feels more cannon than PW when you think about. PW never brought the plot forward at all. The end of MPO was Ocelot saying he was going to join Zero if Big Boss joined them, and talks about Gray Fox. All of that has pretty much being ignored with PW for a story that brought NOTHING new.

EmCeeGramr said:
Yeah, ever since Peace Walker and the first trailers for this game I've been baffled on how on Earth Kojima gets Big Boss and Miller back to America as FOX-HOUND operatives. Especially in such a way that Big Boss can establish his third "Outer Heaven" mercenary company while (ostensibly) undercover.

Unless this game ends with Big Boss having some kind of realization that he needs to work on the inside and pretends to submit to Cipher and Zero or whatever. But they'd have to be kind of stupid to let him back in or not see what was going on.
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Ghost Babel should have been cannon:p In that one, Outer Heaven had been a ruse to recruit all the bad guys under a fake revolutionary icon (Big Boss, playing a covert role, like The Boss did) and then wipe them out. You could easily make it sound like Big Boss had done this to help The Patriots bring their enemies under one flag and crush them, and at the same time Big Boss pretending to be a madman and have Snake be sent to fight him hoping to shape him into someone who would reject the "fake" personality of his,unlike Liquid who would have fallen for it like all the others who joined Outer Heaven. Basically, even his "son" was sacrificed for the mission (like The Boss), to make his act look real, because Liquid idolized the fake Big Boss and wanted to surpass him, so in the final act he found a way to complete his mission and redeem himself by making sure his other son would not follow into those footsteps. Even The Patriots might agree with that, hoping to turn Snake into their next Big Boss and have him part of The Patriots as a replacement. Cue MGS1, but then at the end Snake is truly free because he doesn't follow The Patriots either. Cue MGS2.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
IIRC, Japanese Raiden's voice is actually quite deeper and intentionally resembles Snake's Japanese voice to the point that players listening to Raiden muffled under his mask might not immediately pick up on it.
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The difference was less noticeable than in English, but still...

What the Japanese version tried (<- keyword) after that was to make you think the leader of the terrorists really was Solid Snake (same voice, and you don't get a good look at him until the Harrier fight). Maybe they thought that would be asking too much of Hayter, in the English version... ^^;


Ether_Snake said:
The whole story is really a mess. Ocelot is against the Patriots yet apparently working with them. It's so dump that MPO feels more cannon than PW when you think about. PW never brought the plot forward at all. The end of MPO was Ocelot saying he was going to join Zero if Big Boss joined them, and talks about Gray Fox.
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It also had a stupid twist about a mastermind somehow being behind Volgin firing the nuke (how???). They're both pretty bad.
 
autobzooty said:
i dunno. first trailer talks a lot about how paz is like a quadruple agent and how she betrayed them and omg she's still alive and blah blah blah cipher. plus all this chico business.

but i kinda expect that this game is gonna go the MGS4 route of "didn't play the previous games? ask me if i care."
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Yeah, I guess. I still think there's a way for Kojima to get the broad strokes across. Maybe when BB wakes up in PP, he's temporarily lost his memory, and he starts remembering as he goes along. A bit cheesy, but it could work, I think.
 
Ether_Snake said:
The whole story is really a mess. Ocelot is against the Patriots yet apparently working with them. It's so dump that MPO feels more cannon than PW when you think about. PW never brought the plot forward at all. The end of MPO was Ocelot saying he was going to join Zero if Big Boss joined them, and talks about Gray Fox. All of that has pretty much being ignored with PW for a story that brought NOTHING new.
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I have to agree. Portable Ops actually brought the Big Boss saga to a pretty fitting close (Big Boss creates Fox Hound, Zero is revealed to be a villain, Roy Campbell and Grey Fox are introduced) and when MGS4 released, Big Boss's history made some sense. Then Peace Walker comes around and nothing makes sense.
 
autobzooty said:
hopefully SOMEONE does. i played through peace walker twice and still barely understand what happened with Paz in the end.
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- She fell into the ocean in PW.
- She was found by a fisherman and captured by XOF.
- Cipher thinks she's been compromised.
- Paz leaks info about MSF.

Something like that :p
 
Just thought about something,
HUGE PEACE WALKER SPOILERS!!!!
Kaz was working with Zero/The Patriots all along, wouldn't Ocelot tell Big Boss about it.
Though maybe it was just Zero.
 
Rogue Agent said:
- She fell into the ocean in PW.
- She was found by a fisherman and captured by XOF.
- Cipher thinks she's been compromised.
- Paz leaks info about MSF.

Something like that :p
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Hmm, I just realized, it makes you wonder why Paz would be tortured/interrogated. The UN is already heading to Mother Base under orders from The Patriots/Zero.

Soooooooooo... XOF is not working for The Patriots. They might even be trying to take them down. Hence they tortured her to find out about Cypher.

Out of FOX came two phantoms. Gene and someone else? Or Big Boss and someone else?

This would be a good excuse to have Big Boss destroy XOF, which would help The Patriots, and hence allow him to rejoin Foxhound with Miller.

So it's not Zero who gets Mother Base destroyed, it's XOF.

edit: Or maybe not actually, Zero would still want Paz dead. But it never feels like he wants BB dead. Is he destroying MB because it's not what he wants BB to do? Can BB really be in a coma in an hospital and not be killed by Zero? Sounds more like Zero would have had him killed already. Is Zero protecting BB? Is there another unit out there who wants BB dead? XOF?

As for the horn in BB's head, it might not be debris, but just the explanation given to him. Might be a tracking device, or a mind-reading device. It's bound to be something more than just debris. Something put in his head after being injured.
 
So secretly Big Boss knows that Cipher was behind it. That's not a bad theory. :) But the thing is that in the trailer, they're already talking about revenge and combat against Cipher :(
 
autobzooty said:
As for David Hayter, all I'll say is that the Big Boss (sans horn) has never spoken in english in any trailer, and when he spoke in japanese, he had the same voice he always had. i know kojima gave his reasons why the japanese voice was kept the same, but i'm gonna go ahead and call chemtrails on that shit.
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If Kojima does this, Holy shit.
 
Big Boss with the debris = Big Boss post mother base incident = 9 years later.
So since GZ is set soon after PW where BB had Hayter's voice, he should still have that voice in GZ. I wonder how Kojima will go about this.
 
MGS4's trailer looked waaaaaaay more serious than MGS5 does

Bikini babe in the middle of the burka-zone that is afghanistan?

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The Bikini sniper lady is kind of off putting when everything else is super serious and dramatic.

Trailer has some hard swings from Miller being depressed about losing a arm and a leg to "lol boobs".

Kojima gonna Kojima I guess but I would rather they put some clothes on that lady.
 
Has anyone mentioned that we finally got to hear the Japanese voice for Snake during the Phantom Pain part? And it IS the same actor as always, of course, no weird switcheroo or anything.

There was a brief audio clip during the last Hide Radio podcast, from the part BB puts the glasses back on Kaz's head. Otsuka and Sugita are both reprising their role, no surprise or anything.
 
Jubern said:
Has anyone mentioned that we finally got to hear the Japanese voice for Snake during the Phantom Pain part? And it IS the same actor as always, of course, no weird switcheroo or anything.

There was a brief audio clip during the last Hide Radio podcast, from the part BB puts the glasses back on Kaz's head. Otsuka and Sugita are both reprising their role, no surprise or anything.
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You know IF there is some big twist, I think Kojima would be too scared to screw with the Japanese audience.
he already said he thinks Japan cares about voice actors and that they are a big deal and that the west/US doesn't.
 
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