Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS: Info Collection - Dojo, Mega Man and Trailer! 2014!

Argh, why didn't they use the insanely superior Melee design of Fox? This just looks so much worse.
Do we know if the 3DS and Wii U versions will release next to each other or will one release spring and the other fall?

Because melee fox looks like a weird dog creature, I do know how you can see that as superior.
 
Medusa for SSB4!

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lol @ the idea of Krystal being "unique". She'd up being a Fox clone too and not use a staff.

Or she could use the staff and still end up as a Fox "clone" like Wolf. Different normals, Specials based on the same ideas.
 
Or she could use the staff and still end up as a Fox "clone" like Wolf. Different normals, Specials based on the same ideas.

But like I said, it's hard to predict and it's silly that people assume Krystal would be "more" unique. They couldn't use the "more unique" reasoning against Wolf since he turned out great.
 
I wish they would have included Mallo from Crashmo and Pushmo in the 3DS version.

Seems like such a good fit. He is a little Sumo after all.

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Evolution of Lylat Wars/StarFox 64 McCloud
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Dead eyed creature with a far too big head. Looks like a bobble head.
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The top one looks like a corgie

Next how is it dead eyes, they show emotion in battle. Lastly The melee has a big head too. You may not like new fox, but do not lie.
 
I swear I read something in 1999 or 2000 where Sakurai said that because Fox and Captain Falcon are pilots, he based on their move sets on what their ships do; Fox was designed to be a humanoid Arwing and Captain Falcon was designed to be a humanoid Blue Falcon. With that in mind, Wolf's move set seems more like an intentional design decision than a shortcut.
 
I wish they would have included Mallo from Crashmo and Pushmo in the 3DS version.

Seems like such a good fit. He is a little Sumo after all.

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I wouldn't put him as a character, but as an assist trophy. But there DEFINITELY should be a Pushmo/Crashmo stage.

The top one looks like a corgie

Next how is it dead eyes, they show emotion in battle. Lastly The melee has a big head too. You may not like new fox, but do not lie.

While I don't mind either Fox, the Brawl one does have a large forehead.
 
I swear I read something in 1999 or 2000 where Sakurai said that because Fox and Captain Falcon are pilots, he based on their move sets on what their ships do; Fox was designed to be a humanoid Arwing and Captain Falcon was designed to be a humanoid Blue Falcon. With that in mind, Wolf's move set seems more like an intentional design decision than a shortcut.

So, you're saying to me that both of them are Transformers?
 
I swear I read something in 1999 or 2000 where Sakurai said that because Fox and Captain Falcon are pilots, he based on their move sets on what their ships do; Fox was designed to be a humanoid Arwing and Captain Falcon was designed to be a humanoid Blue Falcon. With that in mind, Wolf's move set seems more like an intentional design decision than a shortcut.

Fox's moves being based on the Arwing are fairly obvious. C. Falcon's just play up his theme of looking like something of a Kamen rider/Judge Dredd/Sentai based. Kind of odd that they never made him use his gun but eh.
 
I know this is old but the AC villagers in the trailer are based from the movie!

I swear I read something in 1999 or 2000 where Sakurai said that because Fox and Captain Falcon are pilots, he based on their move sets on what their ships do; Fox was designed to be a humanoid Arwing and Captain Falcon was designed to be a humanoid Blue Falcon. With that in mind, Wolf's move set seems more like an intentional design decision than a shortcut.

Definitely. I love the Jon Talbain-like fighting style Wolf has.

With that said, I don't think Blue Falcons can do that shit. Capt. Falcon was based on the original "template" of Smash which were then references to Kamen Rider attacks.
 
I know this is old but the AC villagers in the trailer are based from the movie!



Definitely. I love the Jon Talbain-like fighting style Wolf has.

With that said, I don't think Blue Falcons can do that shit. Capt. Falcon was based on the original "template" of Smash which were then references to Kamen Rider attacks.

He seems more like wolverine from marvel to me.
 
I wouldn't put him as a character, but as an assist trophy. But there DEFINITELY should be a Pushmo/Crashmo stage.
I can't see him being fleshed out as a fighter and kind of have trouble thinking what he could do assist trophy wise, but there's so much potential for a stage, with him in the background pulling & pushing blocks/platforms that change up the area after a certain amount of time. & maybe if he "finishes" a puzzle in the background, it can be replaced by another one, so it switches up over time.
 
Based on Nintendo's IP trends since Brawl came out, here are the series that have increased in prevalence:

Mario +
Metroid +
Animal Crossing +
Fire Emblem +
Donkey Kong +
Kirby +


These series have stayed relatively consistent:

Zelda =
Pokemon =


... and here are the series that have fallen a bit:

F-Zero -
Starfox -

So I think the chances of adding more characters from these universes are based mostly on how popular those series are currently. Here's my general pool of possible contenders:

VERY LIKELY:
- Daisy
- Waluigi
- Light/small Mario character: Toad, Bowser Jr. or Koopa Troopa
- Pokemon alternative to Lucario (possibly Mewtwo's return)
- Pokemon Trainer with 2nd-4th gen starters (possibly lets you choose which gen to use as a color alt?)
- Donkey Kong character: Dixie Kong, King K Rool
- Mii
- Metroid Prime/Other M character (could be a hunter with color alts letting you choose the hunter? Ridley? A Space Pirate?)

KINDA LIKELY:
- Tom Nook
- Kid Icarus character
- Fire Emblem character (given the popularity of FE characters in SSB Sakurai is likely to add a third character, or perhaps will just find another alt for Roy/Ike)
- 3rd party character (We already have Megaman, and Sonic is all but guaranteed... Sakurai could maybe pull for a more mature character like Leon or may go traditional with a Pacman, Rayman or Crash)
 
again You get to decide this.... How...

A few years a go I would have said that Kid Icarus is dead.

Oh wait...
Maybe instead of doing asinine things like telling each other who should be out ( despite how much I hate jiggs) We should just hope for who we want in.

Thank you, o great Lord of the Thread. Without you we would not know what we can discuss and what is taboo.

A few years ago Kid Icarus was dead, and that is why he only got one slot in Brawl. Honestly, they should just cut wolf. It is not worth the effort to make him unique and he could be replaced by another Star Fox character. Unless they just wanted to have more villians. But with how these games go I expect James McCloud to be added.
 
Yeah, series relevance is irrelevant in Smash. People should never use sales argument or crap. As long as the character is a fun addition, it doesn't matter!

Speaking of which though, we need some of that Dillon as playable character!
 
If they're gonna add another Starfox character it's gonna be Slippy. However if they do that then they'd probably have to add Peppy as well for the principle of it. They might pull a Wolf and go with Krystal just so that they aren't forced to include 2 instead of 1.

Also, Melee Fox >>>>>> Brawl/current Fox. Starfox Command had shitty character design and this current fox looks like he got a botched facelift and looks sarcastic all the time. Melee Fox is a badass.
 
Yeah, series relevance is irrelevant in Smash. People should never use sales argument or crap. As long as the character is a fun addition, it doesn't matter!

Speaking of which though, we need some of that Dillon as playable character!

There is no such thing as relevant or irrelevant as far as Sakurai is concerned. He's proven that to us time and time again.
 
I love that they stick Wolf to the Assault version though. That's his best version <3

And if, and it's a huge if, they add another Star Fox I hope it's Wolf's teammate. I'm good with either Leon or Panther. Leon for being a sadomasochist and Panther for trying to woo every female character in the game.
 
Heh, now that I think about it, the part about Captain Falcon using the sentai template really makes sense... I don't know how I could miss that all these years.

I also loved how his hankerchief finally had cloth physics applied to it in Brawl. It might not be a long-ass scarf, but it's still cool.

I hope characters keep their ground momentum as they jump. That change seriously (among many other things) weakened Captain Falcon in Brawl, and it was crazy how Sonic could run really fast, but slowed down to a crawl the moment you jumped.
 
Brawl Fox looks cool, Melee Fox looks way too serious and angry. In my opinion, of course. He's especially awesome looking in these colors:


Not exactly the coolest pic :P But it shows both costumes!
 
I've been thinking.... Will we see 5 player fights now? It certainly seems possible.

I've wondered about this myself, though my first instinct is to dismiss it pretty quickly. Several Wii U titles (especially first party) seem to embrace the idea of a fifth player on the gamepad, but that player often seems to serve a very different role than the other four. So based on that and Sakurai's earlier statements against motion controls for the sake of "balance," I'm feeling pretty doubtful. But who knows, anything could happen.
 
I've wondered about this myself, though my first instinct is to dismiss it pretty quickly. Several Wii U titles (especially first party) seem to embrace the idea of a fifth player on the gamepad, but that player often seems to serve a very different role than the other four. So based on that and Sakurai's earlier statements against motion controls for the sake of "balance," I'm feeling pretty doubtful. But who knows, anything could happen.

Well maybe the 5th player can create stage changes and stuff on levels that have alot of objects/events xD
 
Because melee fox looks like a weird dog creature, I do know how you can see that as superior.


Melee Fox looks more like a real fox. The Brawl design looks like some sort of baby.

Not a big fan of Nintendo using a baby shape for all their characters lately. A lot of them are shaped like casper the ghost.


This will always be the real Fox.
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Melee fox was the perfect transition from the N64 fox. And then they made a new game with Fox in it and he looks so dumb and silly and like a child.
 
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