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[Incendiary]

Lets talk about items! What items could be included in SSB4.

Also, I remember this (I think official) board, where we could suggest items to be in Brawl. I suggested the lightning bolt from Mario Kart and it actually came out in Brawl.

Would be really surprised if the Balance Board from Wii Fit wasn't an item somehow.

 

[RM8]

Would be really surprised if the Balance Board from Wii Fit wasn't an item somehow.

Isn't it part of the background for the Wii Fit stage? I remember seeing it bounce around.

 

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Lets talk about items! What items could be included in SSB4.

Also, I remember this (I think official) board, where we could suggest items to be in Brawl. I suggested the lightning bolt from Mario Kart and it actually came out in Brawl.

This is actually a nice subject since it's barely discussed about!

I would love to see third party franchises actually getting items in the game. Kind of odd that Brawl didn't do that... I mean they got their stages, trophies, stickers and heck even assist trophies! ...So why not items?

Would be kind of cool if there an item box from the Sonic series. Maybe an item box with a ? icon that gives random effects. When you break it, the ? icon changes to a specific icon from the Sonic games and begins its effect.

Ring icon = Restores some health
Speed Shoes icon = Gives you Bunny Hood
Invincibility icon = Gives you Starman
Eggman icon = Damages you
1up icon (very rare) = Heals 100% of your health
Shield icon = Gives you Franklin Badge
No idea what I could do with Shield.

 

[Red Rudolph]

Isn't it part of the background for the Wii Fit stage? I remember seeing it bounce around.

Yeah, I think you're right about that. Would kind of prefer that over an item. If it was an item, what would it... do?

 

[GamerSoul]

Despite the fact that I'm anti-Bayonetta in SSB4.

I can imagine that Pit, Palutena and Bayonetta would have a very interesting conversation about angels,etc at Kid Icarus stage if they added "Codec"

That would be awesome but you don't wanna know what she does to angels man. lol

lol not talking about ZSS, give one to real Samus and make it godlike. Make it fast, enhanceable, no landing land and she can combo any of her moves into and out of it.

that would be nice. I always felt the the Brawl dive kicks were horrible. i have probably killed myself more times than i can remembered with the dive kick.

 

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Lets talk about items! What items could be included in SSB4.

Also, I remember this (I think official) board, where we could suggest items to be in Brawl. I suggested the lightning bolt from Mario Kart and it actually came out in Brawl.

One-hit kills the person in the lead.

Let's make this game fair, Sakurai

 

[Red Rudolph]

One-hit kills the person in the lead.

Let's make this game fair, Sakurai

And don't forget that the person in the lead can't even pick it up or use it.

 

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And don't forget that the person in the lead can't even pick it up or use it.

No, they can. It'll just straight up kill them as soon as they use it.

...That would be really hilarious to watch :lol

 

[Troubled Bat]

Ring icon = Restores some health
Speed Shoes icon = Gives the Bunny Hood item
Invincibility icon = Gives the Starman item
Eggman icon = Damages you
1up icon (very rare) = Heals 100% of your health

I like this idea actually. And I never realized that third-party characters were itemless.

One-hit kills the person in the lead.
Let's make this game fair, Sakurai

Hah. I have always expected this item to appear. Also, bring back the annoying red shell!

 

[RM8]

*Blue shell*
One-hit kills the person in the lead.

Let's make this game fair, Sakurai

Blue shell, always hits MetaKnight.

 

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I like this idea actually. And I never realized that third-party characters were itemless.



Hah. I have always expected this item to appear. Also, bring back the annoying red shell!

Thank you! And yeah, it just occurred to me. I'm pretty disappointed Brawl didn't bother with that.

Updated my list a little. I might come up with more ideas. I wanted to write in the "S icon" but that's a debug-only item in the Genesis games. It gives you 50 rings and instant Super form... maybe it can give you just the Final Smash in this case?

 

[McNum]

No, they can. It'll just straight up kill them as soon as they use it.

...That would be really hilarious to watch :lol

Doesn't it actually do that in Mario Kart?

If you fire it while you're in the lead, it'll fly off, do a sharp u-turn and smack you in the face. Makes you feel really stupid, too.

 

[Polioliolio]

Is it known who they used as model for the wii fit trainer..ehm..model?

she's superhot in the Smash Bros trailer and I wanna know.

Any Japanese woman.

 

[Nocturnowl]

I will say it over and over until Sakurai hears my plight, Animal Crossing furniture leaf would be a fun random item that after having been thrown out of the players hands would turn into one of a few different pieces of furniture each with their own damage and knock back properties relevant to the furniture itself.

 

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Doesn't it actually do that in Mario Kart?

If you fire it while you're in the lead, it'll fly off, do a sharp u-turn and smack you in the face. Makes you feel really stupid, too.

LOL Yep, I've seen a vid of it a while back. Great stuff.

 

[Troubled Bat]

What are they doing?

I wasn't being serious. I was just saying that to immediately change the subject.

Thank you! And yeah, it just occurred to me. I'm pretty disappointed Brawl didn't bother with that.

Updated my list a little. I might come up with more ideas. I wanted to write in the "S icon" but that's a debug-only item in the Genesis games. It gives you 50 rings and instant Super form... maybe it can give you just the Final Smash in this case?

You're welcome! I'm actually pretty disappointed, and they games old! I wonder why they didn't. Its going to be bothering me.

That's a great idea! But it has to be a rare.opportunity though.

 

[Neoriceisgood]

Item ideas? I've got plenty.

Let me start with..

Mario items:

Blue Shell: Homes in on leading player, can be dodged with an air dodge. Explodes in a similar fashion to a smart bomb if it lands a hit on any playable character.

Kuribo's Shoe: Roughly does exactly what you expect. Your character wears a giant shoe that does damage if it lands on someone & is impervious to all damage from below.


Key: Relatively heavy item you can throw at people for damage.

Spoiler

Also makes Phantos fly around like crazy if someone's carrying it.

 

[Professor Beef]

I would just dodge the blue shell. *shrug*

 

[Xane]

I will say it over and over until Sakurai hears my plight, Animal Crossing furniture leaf would be a fun random item that after having been thrown out of the players hands would turn into one of a few different pieces of furniture each with their own damage and knock back properties relevant to the furniture itself.

Do approve this idea.

 

[Xane]

I would just dodge the blue shell. *shrug*

You can't. It will stay where you are for the full duration of your dodge 'till your invincible frames wear off and then BAM!

 

[Neiteio]

Y'know what kind of discussion sucks? Discussions over what characters shouldn't be included. Seems we're always at each other's throats over it, and for what? Assertions of facts that a given character would add nothing to the game? Yeah, and these same people would've asserted that there'd be nothing to gain from looking at the Wii <Noun> series, and yet here we have the Wii Fit Trainer. These same people would assert that Sakurai said the PC in Animal Crossing wouldn't fit the series's style, and here we have the Villager.

Maybe we should focus more on what we think should be in, instead of trying to parade around what should not? Because it's a totally futile effort; even the assertions that would be grounded in Word of Based Sakurai are meaningless when Sakurai's contradicted his own word.

Nice post.

 

[ash_ag]

I don't think Metal Mario used anyone's "slot" - it doesn't work like this. Metal Mario is in because he's literally a texture swap for Mario, he doesn't even get his own kart.

Speaking of Metal Mario, I've kinda started to like him. From one side he strikes you a "Why not Shadow or Cosmic Mario?" feeling, but then I just kinda prefer him to the other two. Maybe it's the fact that he was more or less established through Smash as a separate character, which is unique.

I hope he returns as a boss in SSB4. He wasn't in Brawl (you could fight random metallic Mario's in a stage or two, but not Metal Mario per se), but the new story mode opens doors to including him.

I still wonder what format the Story Mode will follow... Sakurai basically said he won't make it a mini-movie through cutscenes this time around, but what will he use as the mode's appeal? I'm sure boss fights are returning, as they were a very fresh concept in Brawl -- they will probably be at the end of each chapter. The question is what else each chapter will consist of. Will platforming return? Will it turn into battle-to-battle? Will there be cutscenes at all?

 

[Neoriceisgood]

You can't. It will stay where you are for the full duration of your dodge 'till your invincible frames wear off and then BAM!

I was thinking the more people dodge and the longer it stays around the faster it shoots from side to side trying to hit the target. (until it essentially becomes sonic's final smash.)

 

[Zidy]

I just want Chrom to be in this from FE: Awakening. People spotted an Arena Ferox stage in the 3DS presentation so it's not out of this world.

 

[Blick Winkel]

I just want Chrom to be in this from FE: Awakening. People spotted an Arena Ferox stage in the 3DS presentation so it's not out of this world.

Naw man its clearly going to be Donnel

 

[nintendoman58]

The Ferox stage from awakening pretty much confirms Chrom's appearance in the game. What with him being the main character and all that.

But I'm surprised of the lack of people wanting Shulk in here. Xenoblade was a major Wii game. Sakurai has no reason NOT to put him in.

 

[Troubled Bat]

I still need to play that game, since I hear its really great. Plus I want to get a feel of what Shulk is capable of doing.

Edit: I hope Silver Surfer Mario is a color that can be chosen.

 

[ash_ag]

Edit: I hope Silver Surfer Mario is a color that can be chosen.

The Metal Boxes are a standard item, so, there's that.

The actual Metal Mario should be a boss in the Story Mode though.

 

[The Blue Jihad]

Speaking of Metal Mario, I've kinda started to like him. From one side he strikes you a "Why not Shadow or Cosmic Mario?" feeling, but then I just kinda prefer him to the other two. Maybe it's the fact that he was more or less established through Smash as a separate character, which is unique.



I hope he returns as a boss in SSB4.

Honestly, I'd be keen on him being playable. Heavyweight, slow, tiny frame compared to other heavies, attacks have a lot of hit-stun and two or three that bury the opponent, maybe a few grapples, etc. But once he takes enough damage, one good hit is all it'd take to kill him if you can knock him far enough. He could be the true tank character that Ganon and Bowser never were.

Could be a very interesting playable, and would add major variety.

 

[JBtheHunter]

Yeah, I don't..



Opinions man. I didn't think I'd be alone with this one though.

Melee Fox looks boring and weird. His mouth is way too long and his eyes make him look retarded. Brawl Fox actually has some character to him. SSB4 improves on that design.

 

[Fidelis Hodie]

The Ferox stage from awakening pretty much confirms Chrom's appearance in the game. What with him being the main character and all that.

But I'm surprised of the lack of people wanting Shulk in here. Xenoblade was a major Wii game. Sakurai has no reason NOT to put him in.

I want Shulk so freaking bad.

Let's see . . Honest wish list?

1. Iaasic or Felix (Golden Sun)
2. Shulk
3. Advanced Wars Rep
4. Chibi Robo
5. Chrono/ Final Fantasy Super Nintendo Rep
6. Paper Mario

That's just me though.

Wouldn't be surprised by another crazy addition like Cooking Mama or something though.

 

[Jawmuncher]

I still bet well see Lucina over Chrom.
Especially if Sakurai is aiming for more female characters. Now if that means replacing Marth who knows. Everyone think they're similar so only one can be in, but I don't think that's the case.

 

[Red Rudolph]

I still bet well see Lucina over Chrom.
Especially if Sakurai is aiming for more female characters. Now if that means replacing Marth who knows. Everyone think they're similar so only one can be in, but I don't think that's the case.

If he was aiming for more female characters, why not make the Villager female?

 

[Fidelis Hodie]

I still bet well see Lucina over Chrom.
Especially if Sakurai is aiming for more female characters. Now if that means replacing Marth who knows. Everyone think they're similar so only one can be in, but I don't think that's the case.

It would seem to me that "Marth" is such an easy in for this version as Marth, but I'm not sakurai obviously. I'd also be 100% okay with it and want it really bad haha.

 

[Forever]

If he was aiming for more female characters, why not make the Villager female?

That article is dumb. The Wii Fit Trainer could have been male.

 

[Subtle]

It would seem to me that "Marth" is such an easy in for this version as Marth, but I'm not sakurai obviously. I'd also be 100% okay with it and want it really bad haha.

Seems impossible to me. I'll eat crow if "Marth" replaces Marth.

 

[Sir Ilpalazzo]

Yeah, Marth is probably my favorite character in Smash Bros. I'd be disappointed if they replaced him.

 

[Fidelis Hodie]

Seems impossible to me. I'll eat crow if "Marth" replaces Marth.

At least as a costume.

Did I read he's really against alt. costumes? I don't understand that at all.

Yeah, Marth is probably my favorite character in Smash Bros. I'd be disappointed if they replaced him.

I love him too, I just think it's an easy switch. And you don't have to change how the character plays at all. I'm probably wrong though. Just gimme that maaask!

 

[Troubled Bat]

Every time I see a screenshot of WFT in SSB4, I feel like she's photoshopped in. Haha.

 

[Green Mamba]

Marth is absolutely not going anywhere, why does this keep coming up.

 

[Village]

Yeah, Marth is probably my favorite character in Smash Bros. I'd be disappointed if they replaced him.

If they replaced him "marth" I wouldnt even care though.

 

[Red Rudolph]

That article is dumb. The Wii Fit Trainer could have been male.

Haha, never said the article wasn't dumb. And who knows, hopefully we'll have alt-models for the Villager and Trainer so we can play as either gender. But I wouldn't count on some character being in specifically because "Sakurai wants more gurlz in the game." The Sak don't work like that.

 

[ffdgh]

So regular Marth, Japanese voice or English voice?

 

[Chet Rippo]

And don't forget that the person in the lead can't even pick it up or use it.

No they should be allowed to use it, it just hits them anyways.

 

[onionfrog]

So regular Marth, Japanese voice or English voice?

Japanese voice! I'm used to it from hours and hours of Melee.

 

[Troubled Bat]

Did I read he's really against alt. costumes? I don't understand that at all.

He's against customization. He never said anything on alternate outfits, so I think we may see them.

So regular Marth, Japanese voice or English voice?

Japanese.

 

[Ryce]

The Animal Crossing player characters don't speak, and both males and females share the same animations. There will definitely be a set of female Villager costumes. That wouldn't work for the Wii Fit Trainer, though.

 

[Mpl90]

Naw man its clearly going to be Donnel

Super duper top tier confirmed.

 

[Toxi]

Real Talk: They need to bring back l-cancelling in SSB4.

No. Wave-dashing adds options and is cool. L-canceling is an artificial barrier to high level play; just remove the landing lag frames automatically without having to press a button. That's my personal opinion.

lol not talking about ZSS, give one to real Samus and make it godlike. Make it fast, enhanceable, no landing land and she can combo any of her moves into and out of it.

I wanna play Marvel 2 Cable, not Marvel 3 Wolverine. Dive Kicks don't really fit Samus like missiles or charge shots or bombs do.

 

[Cow Mengde]

Give the 3DS version Chrom and give the console version Sigurd.

They really should rehire Spike Spencer to play the English voice for Marth.