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[Boss Doggie]

New Mewtwo is starring in the main movie, not only a short feature, and also a new tv special. It's pretty clear that he's getting the most hype out of any new gen Pokemon so far. Sylveon's hype was mostly about the mystery regarding its type, but it's not getting a full feature about it.

And look at how much hype Sylveon's mystery boasted. People were itching on the new type, and even if it's not unique to Sylveon, it's still the "flag bearer" of the type, so to say. It had more discussion over how many bottlecaps Newtwo can open. Hell, even before being announced Sylv's got so much merch already, compared to Newtwo (and we already know Newtwo form even then).

Like I said, sometimes it's very surprising on who ends up who... but at the same time some are pretty obvious but people tend to neglect them (like say, Lucario).

 

[Tom_Cody]

Okay, since people don't seem to get it:

STOP LINKING DIRECTLY TO DAILY.JPG, BECAUSE IT WON'T WORK IN 24 HOURS

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I hope Dark Pit appears as a separate character utilizing different KI:U weapons than normal Pit. To start off with the 'Dark Pitt Staff' seems like an obvious choice.

I would also love to see other favorite weapons like the Aurum Palm make an appearance. It would be perfect for the forward smash attack.

 

[DaBoss]

I'm wondering if he will change up Pokémon trainer. With the comments he made, I don't think it is outlandish to expect Oshawott to replace Squirtle.

The other Pokemon are left in the air.

 

[Grakl]

I expect Newtwo to be in, but I still hope that Lucario is as well. It'd be sad otherwise.

 

[Village]

I expect Newtwo to be in, but I still hope that Lucario is as well. It'd be sad otherwise.

Un pokemon related, I fear for the ice climbers.

 

[Symphonic]

I expect Newtwo to be in, but I still hope that Lucario is as well. It'd be sad otherwise.

Going by that quote... I think it's getting to be pretty likely that Lucario is out

 

[ninjarr]

I think the best message we can send to Sakurai/team is that we all play this game differently and want different things from it. We have different likes/dislikes and the best way to make the best Smash ever is to create a very customize-able experience.

Lots of skins.
Modular skins.
Lots of levels.
Modular levels (remove transitions).
Custom levels.
Turn off gimmicks in levels.
Lots of music, and a great way to control it.
Lots of online features, like balance patches, DLC, matchmaking.

Make the game more customize-able than ever before and you will have a very satisfied group of players.

Really, I think if they copied a lot of Valve's DoTA2 model they'd have enormous success, both in terms of online features and modular skins as collectibles (far more interesting than stickers), as well as additional characters, balance patches and some interesting draft modes.

 

[DaBoss]

Going by that quote... I think it's getting to be pretty likely that Lucario is out

Lucario is prominently featured in the anime and is probably the most popular Pokémon that came from the past 4 gens.

 

[Symphonic]

Lucario is prominently featured in the anime and is probably the most popular Pokémon that came from the past 4 gens.

" What’s the hot Pokemon? What Pokemon are in the movies right now? And really do a lot of research on that front. For example, X and Y are coming out – of course, we haven’t done any market research because they’re not out yet, but we look at the animated series or movies and anything like that and again, find out which ones are going to be central to any of conversations in Pokemon going forward."

Combine the bolded with the previous statements and it seems pretty obvious, to me, that Lucario will be out. Once X/Y hits and the new movies and all that, popularity will shift away from Lucario. If you deny that, you're just in denial man.

 

[Troubled Bat]

You know i'd be cool if characters who change to others, could get a down-b move. Then the way you change is by pressing down + a/b

 

[Symphonic]

You know i'd be cool if characters who change to others, could get a down-b move. Then the way you change is by pressing down + a/b

Isn't it like that for balance reasons?

 

[NeonZ]

This says nothing about the representative being from X and Y, he's just giving an example. Could be from X/Y, the show, movie, whatever. Whichever Pokemon is the most popular and are "going to be central to any of conversations in Pokemon going forward"

He isn't saying that. He's saying that because X/Y aren't out yet, they can't just do usual research, and need to use sources like the movies and tv show to see what's going to be a central Pokemon going forward. I don't see how it can be anything but a X/Y Pokemon.

Zoroark
Darkrai

It getting a movie means jack shit.

Darkrai isn't relevant at all here. Lucario was the heavily promoted Diamond & Pearl Pokemon that had an early reveal and appeared in an early movie, not Darkrai.

Zoroark is a good example of a failed marketing attempt. But, if we had a Smash with a character line up defined around the time where Zoroark was getting its push, it's possible that it might have made it to Smash.

And look at how much hype Sylveon's mystery boasted. People were itching on the new type, and even if it's not unique to Sylveon, it's still the "flag bearer" of the type, so to say.

Mewtwo also got tons of reactions with the new form reveal, especially before its nature was revealed and is the X/Y Pokemon getting highlighted the most in the main theatrical feature and is even getting a new tv special, while Sylveon is just part of the short Pikachu movie. It's pretty clear which one is getting most hyped and central right now.

 

[ash_ag]

Not sure if posted, but Sakurai confirms that not all SSB characters will return, but they'll try to make as few cuts as possible.

"I can answer that: no. We don’t have the time to fully recreate every single character who’s been in Smash Bros at this point. Adding new characters is not a simple addition – it’s really multiplication. The amount of work, adding a character is multiplied and becomes bigger and bigger as you go. We can’t because of the amount of work it takes. However, I do believe I understand that each character has its own set of fans out there who really like that character. So we’re not going to cut characters out of the way, we’re going to put in as many characters as we can, we really want to do that, because it's good for the fans and good for all of us. But in the event that we do have to cut some characters, I’d like to apologise in advance to those fans." - Masahiro Sakurai

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/197055...t_have_time_to_bring_all_characters_back.html

 

[AnkiRendan]

How do you know popularity will shift from Lucario? Despite being introduced in 4th gen, Lucario ended up being the final Pokemon of the 5th gen's Pokemon league as a major opponent. I don't expect Lucario's popularity to die so easily.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

I think we will see him again for sure.

Fuck that just makes me want those Pit & Dark Pit figures £53 on Amazon.

 

[ninjarr]

Not sure if posted, but Sakurai confirms that not all SSB characters will return, but they'll try to make as few cuts as possible.

That's precisely why I think they need to change their approach to creating content. Use the internet+DLC as a way to continually bolster the game and create a store for items/whatever to sustain the development.

 

[Troubled Bat]

Isn't it like that for balance reasons?

I don't know, is it? I was just throwing a random thought out.

 

[DaBoss]

" What’s the hot Pokemon? What Pokemon are in the movies right now? And really do a lot of research on that front. For example, X and Y are coming out – of course, we haven’t done any market research because they’re not out yet, but we look at the animated series or movies and anything like that and again, find out which ones are going to be central to any of conversations in Pokemon going forward."

Combine the bolded with the previous statements and it seems pretty obvious, to me, that Lucario will be out. Once X/Y hits and the new movies and all that, popularity will shift away from Lucario. If you deny that, you're just in denial man.

Think of Lucario as the modern day Pikachu, except not as popular as Pikachu.

 

[Symphonic]

How do you know popularity will shift from Lucario? Despite being introduced in 4th gen, Lucario ended up being the final Pokemon of the 5th gen's Pokemon league as a major opponent. I don't expect Lucario's popularity to die so easily.

It's not going to die, it's going to shift. Lucario will still be INSANELY popular, I'm not denying that. But he's not going to be "the" Pokemon anymore, I think. At some point he will fall back and a new Pokemon (probably Newtwo) will step up.

Think of Lucario as the modern day Pikachu, except not as popular as Pikachu.

I mean I see that he's really popular, I just see him on the level of Mewtwo. If Mewtwo can get booted from Smash, so can Lucario.

 

[Village]

He isn't saying that. He's saying that because X/Y aren't out yet, they can't just do usual research, and need to use sources like the movies and tv show to see what's going to be a central Pokemon going forward. I don't see how it can be anything but a X/Y Pokemon.



I don't see how Darkrai is relevant at all. Lucario was the heavily promoted Diamond & Pearl Pokemon that appeared in an early movie, not Darkrai.

Zoroark is a good example of a failed marketing attempt. But, if we had a Smash with a character line up defined around the time where Zoroark was getting its push, it's possible that it might have made it to Smash.



Mewtwo also got tons of reactions with the new form reveal, and, even further is the one getting highlighted the most in the main theatrical feature and even new tv special, while Sylveon is just part of the short Pikachu movie. It's pretty clear which one is getting most hype right now.

Darkrai had a huge movie push, the only two successful movie pushes out of gen 4 were Lucario and Giratina and the latter like ridley is a giant space gragon.

My point being markting pushes mean didley squat.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

There haven't really been enough Smash Bros. games for us to determine what Pokemon will really be in. It's not like Mewtwo getting cut was a rule. I do think Lucario is expendable though.

 

[XeroSauce]

Isn't it like that for balance reasons?

I doubt it, transformations generally take a long time and can make the person vulnerable.

I don't think they'll change it though.

 

[Village]

It's not going to die, it's going to shift. Lucario will still be INSANELY popular, I'm not denying that. But he's not going to be "the" Pokemon anymore, I think. At some point he will fall back and a new Pokemon (probably Newtwo) will step up.



I mean I see that he's really popular, I just see him on the level of Mewtwo. If Mewtwo can get booted from Smash, so can Lucario.

That really isn't reason, Lucario is the hot shit, mascot levels of hot shit. Mewtwo got cut, that aint got nothing to do with lucario. Sorry mewtwo got cut but, that isnt some sort of standard.

 

[Fandangox]

Not sure if posted, but Sakurai confirms that not all SSB characters will return, but they'll try to make as few cuts as possible.



http://www.nowgamer.com/news/197055...t_have_time_to_bring_all_characters_back.html

Yeah I don't think anyone reasonable expected for all 43 smash characters to come back at this point.

 

[Symphonic]

There haven't really been enough Smash Bros. games for us to determine what Pokemon will really be in. It's not like Mewtwo getting cut was a rule. I do think Lucario is expendable though.

Yeah, I agree. I'm not trying to sound assholish or know-it-all. I just really can't see them bringing Lucario back. I'm honestly all for it though, the more the better.

 

[DaBoss]

I mean I see that he's really popular, I just see him on the level of Mewtwo. If Mewtwo can get booted from Smash, so can Lucario.

Mewtwo only got cut due to time constraints. It would have surely gotten in if they had more time. There's no reason for Lucario to get cut other than if they have limitations with its moves or if they have time constraints again.

 

[ash_ag]

That's precisely why I think they need to change their approach to creating content. Use the internet+DLC as a way to continually bolster the game and create a store for items/whatever to sustain the development.

No need to overdo it with DLC, but you know what? A DLC called The Forbidden Seven would be great. A semi-retroactive response to the fan term and the return of the cut characters.

Roy, Mewtwo, Pichu Bros. and four potential SSB4 cuts. Maybe a Dr. Mario Mario alt á la Wario overalls (since they may not want to add a character twice). Pichu Bros. because it would bring on more interesting mechanics, plus the old character, plus the awesome spiky hair Pichu, plus Notched-ear Pichu and Pikachu-colored Pichu as alts!

Or, you know, the Forbidden Ten or Fifteen or whatever.

 

[Village]

There haven't really been enough Smash Bros. games for us to determine what Pokemon will really be in. It's not like Mewtwo getting cut was a rule. I do think Lucario is expendable though.

What is your opinion on jiggs.

 

[NeonZ]

Darkrai had a huge movie push, the only two successful movie pushes out of gen 4 were Lucario and Giratina and the latter like ridley is a giant space gragon.

My point being markting pushes mean didley squat.

You need to look at the context of the quote. X/Y isn't out yet, so the only way he can get an upcoming relevant Pokemon is by looking at stuff like movies and the tv show.

For example, X and Y are coming out – of course, we haven’t done any market research because they’re not out yet, but we look at the animated series or movies and anything like that and again, find out which ones are going to be central to any of conversations in Pokemon going forward.

They are pretty much the only things he can look at while choosing a X/Y representative, in addition to the gameplay viability and possibilities of the character itself, of course.

 

[ffdgh]

Lucario has the aura... And is voiced by goku. He shall not be moved...hopefully.

 

[Revven]

I doubt it, transformations generally take a long time and can make the person vulnerable

That's because of the loading method they chose to use for Brawl. In Melee, it took zero time to transform from Zelda to Sheik or Sheik to Zelda (well not really zero but it was pretty instant). And that's because they had Sheik or Zelda pre-loaded before the match began. In Brawl, they chose not to have either character pre-loaded and instead, their files are called when either Sheik or Zelda attempt to transform. I mean, yeah, you're still making yourself "vulnerable" but you can't exactly punish someone in Melee the same way you can in Brawl because of this difference.

The transform times even vary because of this. It's never consistent transformation time; including the Pokemon Trainer switching and Samus/ZSS switching (but the last pair is less of an issue because... no one ever really seriously tries to switch between them midmatch unless Smash Balls are on for Samus/ZSS).

 

[IntelliHeath]

Just a small geographical observation, in the OP the link for Spanish in America says "SSB Dojo South America" buuuut.... Mexico is in North America, there is whole Central America missing... also if you check the link it says "es-la" which "la" is LATIN AMERICA, so if you please change South America to "Latin America" it will be more accurate

I apologized for that. I just corrected my mistake.

Yeah I don't think anyone reasonable expected for all 43 smash characters to come back at this point.

Yeah, but I'm hoping that Sakurai would make right choices of making list of characters who would get priority.

No need to overdo it with DLC, but you know what? A DLC called The Forbidden Seven would be great. A semi-retroactive response to the fan term and the return of the cut characters.

Roy, Mewtwo, Pichu Bros. and four potential SSB4 cuts. Maybe a Dr. Mario Mario alt á la Wario overalls (since they may not want to add a character twice). Pichu Bros. because it would bring on more interesting mechanics, plus the old character, plus the awesome spiky hair Pichu, plus Notched-ear Pichu and Pikachu-colored Pichu as alts!

Or, you know, the Forbidden Ten or Fifteen or whatever.

Or only cut characters from SSB4 to be specific. I would love to see that happening but I don't think DLC characters would happen.

 

[Fandangox]

Yeah, but I'm hoping that Sakurai would make right choices of making list of characters who would get priority.

As long as I get F-Zero and Earthbound characters I am happy.

I am pretty sure that at least the SSB original 12 are basically in, Luigi will not be out in any way. Falcon is pretty popular in Smash communities. Ness might be kept since EB is finally being reintroduced to American (and for the first time Europeans) audiences and Jiggs well.


Jiggs I don't know.

 

[Ryce]

"Forbidden Seven" is the worst name ever. It doesn't make sense ("forbidden?"), and it doesn't even sound good.

 

[IntelliHeath]

As long as I get F-Zero and Earthbound characters I am happy.

I'm positive that Ness and Cap Falcon are at first top half of the list for priority to be in the game. Lucas, I'm not sure what Sakurai would view him as.

 

[Soulscribe]

What are the chances of there being a second F-Zero character? Maybe that Samurai guy?

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

What is your opinion on jiggs.

Somewhat less attractive with gimped Rest and without Green Headband. One of my mains, but if she's cut I'm sure it'll be for good reasons.

What are the chances of there being a second F-Zero character? Maybe that Samurai guy?

Spoiler

F-

0.

 

[Fandangox]

I'm positive that Ness and Cap Falcon are at first top half of the list for priority to be in the game. Lucas, I'm not sure what Sakurai would view him as.

Well I remember reading once that Ness was going to get Cut in Melee in favor of Lucas, but didn't happen since EarthBound 64 got canceled.

I'd like for Lucas/Ness to return both and maybe add a Mother 3 character, but I think they will keep Mother reps at 2 max

What are the chances of there being a second F-Zero character? Maybe that Samurai guy?

:C

 

[Ryce]

What are the chances of there being a second F-Zero character? Maybe that Samurai guy?

Zero percent.

Brawl was planned only two years after the success of GX/AX and the anime series, and Captain Falcon was still the only representative. If that wasn't enough to get Sakurai to consider a second character, I don't know what the series having been dead for a decade will do to help this time around.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Well I remember reading once that Ness was going to get Cut in Melee in favor of Lucas, but didn't happen since EarthBound 64 got canceled.

I'd like for Lucas/Ness to return both and maybe add a Mother 3 character, but I think they will keep Mother reps at 2 max

I would love to see Kumatora but I doubt that she have chance.

 

[Troubled Bat]

I would love to see Kumatora but I doubt that she have chance.

We can only hope for the best.

 

[ash_ag]

Or only cut characters from SSB4 to be specific. I would love to see that happening but I don't think DLC characters would happen.

I'm not sure either, but by that point Nintendo might press towards that. And since this time Sakurai isn't handling balancing himself (as far as I remember), DLC is not out of the realm of possibilities. Not just SSB4 cuts though... Mewtwo may return, and then you only have only three cuts. If Dr. Mario becomes an alt, then only two. Roy was also a favourite of many, and Pichu Bros. would bring in some interesting gameplay ideas. So, why not?

Anyway, I guess there's no point of thinking that already. They should do whatever they feel is more appropriate for the game. Maybe the cut characters will be represented somehow (a Smash Bros. universe-based stage with old characters as bg characters would be pretty neat!).

 

[Rayis]

The Pokemon franchise is difficult to discuss due to the nature of the characters, I think Pikachu and Jigglypuff should be the constant characters we see in every game, all the others can be replaced for newer characters.

 

[Village]

You need to look at the context of the quote. X/Y isn't out yet, so the only way he can get an upcoming relevant Pokemon is by looking at stuff like movies and the tv show.



They are pretty much the only things he can look at while choosing a X/Y representative, in addition to the gameplay viability and possibilities of the character itself, of course.

My argument here is

*horrible snake impression*

" Pokemon... has changed " Before that was a viable strategy , now not so much pokemon has a series as " this isn't a s cool as lucario" pushes one after another. So I am assuming the Game Freak and the Pokemon company , you know those guys who get all that say in the matter because they make all that stuff, are going to have to seriously rethink their marketing strategy moving forward.

I am not saying that pokemans can't get another slot and newtwo, I am hoping for it. I just doubt it.Pokemon comes out this year, and smash comes out most likely late next year 2015 with delay's so New Mew could fall flat on its face, they have plenty of dev time to use someone else.

The Pokemon franchise is difficult to discuss due to the nature of the characters, I think Pikachu and Jigglypuff should be the constant characters we see in every game, all the others can be replaced for newer characters.

why?

 

[Fandangox]

I would love to see Kumatora but I doubt that she have chance.

Duster, Kumatora, Flint. Anyone would be great.

I personally think having a Pigmask as a Mother 3 rep would be fantastic, its basically the game's Starmen. Which was the flagship enemy of the series.
It'd be hilarious to have a Pigmask playable.

 

[PK Gaming]

"Forbidden Seven" is the worst name ever. It doesn't make sense ("forbidden?"), and it doesn't even sound good.

It's the funniest sounding name for incomplete characters. There's a REASON it caught on, hehe.

 

[BGBW]

Fuck that just makes me want those Pit & Dark Pit figures £53 on Amazon.

Should have pre-ordered them on AmiAmi months ago. Could have gotten them for under £30.

 

[Village]

Duster, Kumatora, Flint. Anyone would be great.

I personally think having a Pigmask as a Mother 3 rep would be fantastic, its basically the game's Starmen. Which was the flagship enemy of the series.
It'd be hilarious to have a Pigmask playable.

Pokey in a small robot.

 

[Regulus Tera]

Jigglypuff should stay cause she's awesome.

 

[ash_ag]

"Forbidden Seven" is the worst name ever. It doesn't make sense ("forbidden?"), and it doesn't even sound good.

I think the reason they were called that is because many message boards sort of "forbid" talk about those characters -- well, not forbid per se, but people would go like "booooo" when someone brought them up after some point. Talk about them was going really strong when they were first discovered, and there were some pretty crazy scenarios.