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[John Caboose]

There will be a day when game discs become mere shells to supply us with digital games, digital games that can be shared with your friends regardless of physical distance. But it is not this day.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

Many if not most gamers trade their stuff in to gamestop, that is how they got to their current bloated unnatural size. Now all the gamers who are too lazy or don't know how to sell on amazon or craigslist are back being GS's useful idiots.

I can't believe my friends and I were the only ones who saw the potential for this family plan.

Then maybe you should be asking Mircrosoft why physical copies needed to have DRM in-order for you to share digital copies with you family. MS made a decision that doesn't sit well with you, so maybe you should put them on the grill?

 

[Klocker]

We can now.

And whats the point of cake if you can't eat it?

And an aside: People have choice now, between physical and digital, each with their own set of rules as befits their nature. Is the choice being made available that upsetting to people?

for me it's that I can not trade my games in and still treat them as digital..

so before I could buy the game on disc, convert it to a digital license, have all the perks of sharing, no disc in tray etc and then delete from HDD and trade in the disc at GS for new game... now if I want all digital, I have no options for trade and it becomes dead bits on my HDD after I'm done or if I don't like the game

 

[evilchicken]

It was most likely going to be like Steam in the game sharing capacity sense, where if I were to give you my login/password to steam you could download and play all my games as long as i'm not doing it at the same time.

Except with this system I wouldn't have to give you my username/password, and you can create saves and earn achievements on your own profile.

Even though it's 1 person at a time, it's still a pretty cool feature imo.

 

[Striek]

A rushed feature that they couldn't even explain properly...

Did it sound cool? Yes. Did I have faith it would be anything like people hoped? No.

I honestly think this didn't even exist until a month ago within MS. Publishers at E3 seemed to have no idea what it was even.

 

[Ol No Bones]

The Internet freaked out over mild changes and now we are back to the shitty version of distribution we have had forever. It's really unfortunate ms backed down.

 

[NullPointer]

for me it's that I can not trade my games in and still treat them as digital..

so before I could buy the game on disc, convert it to a digital license, have all the perks of sharing, no disc in tray etc and then delete from HDD and trade in the disc at GS for new game... now if I want all digital, I have no options for trade and it becomes dead bits on my HDD after I'm done or if I don't like the game

I get you, and that is a bummer. It had one hell of a cost attached, but I can understand how that cost didn't affect you personally.

But the approach MS took isn't the only one possible. It wasn't the only future for digital. And you weren't guaranteed to be able to make use of those systems anyway, with the publisher veto always present.

You can have a method for transfer or resell of straight up digital licenses - no disk needed. Its not only possible but inevitable I think.

 

[GraveRobberX]

This is MS who took Office and made it go from just buy it once and use, to now a Yearly license that needs to refreshed every year

So yeah, a company will try anything to push it's agenda, the great thing is consumers have a right to push back

We pushed back, MS changed it's mind, that's all

If you future techies are having a hard time coping with this, just wait a few years, maybe they'll get the Xbox Two Presentation right and enjoy the future!

 

[CosmicQueso]

Where have all these supporters been the last few weeks? Afraid of being called shills??

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

seems over complex to just save a few bucks. would just rather buy the fucking game outright. i mean, who are these penny pinchers that even do this?

Lol I gotta agree.......that's just waaaay to much work. I rather wait for a sale on the game or just flat out buy it if I can't wait. In the time I gotta go thru all of that...I could have earned the price diff in other ways by other means.

 

[plagiarize]

Just for clarification, here is how buying a digital game works on the Xbox 360. The game is licensed both to the account that bought it, and the system it was bought on. You can still share a digital game with someone else in this way. Buy it logged into their system. You will be able to play it while online on your system, and they will be able to play it logged in as themselves.

That is how it is on 360 for most digital games (one or two may block this, but those titles would have blocked family sharing too).

As convenient? No, but I want to make sure people know what they're getting.

This will cover at least one of the people who was complaining about playing games with his son earlier in this thread. Not many people seem to be aware that digital purchases work this way on the 360, but as someone who owns multiple consoles and has used this method to play certain games on both simultaneously online, I think it important that people understand the way it is likely to be on Xbox One now.

 

[L00P]

Where have all these supporters been the last few weeks? Afraid of being called shills??

MS stopped paying them

 

[Steve Youngblood]

The Internet freaked out over mild changes and now we are back to the shitty version of distribution we have had forever. It's really unfortunate ms backed down.

Yes, if only there was a way they could have implemented this obviously well thought out feature anyway. If only...

 

[SRTtoZ]

Many if not most gamers trade their stuff in to gamestop, that is how they got to their current bloated unnatural size. Now all the gamers who are too lazy or don't know how to sell on amazon or craigslist are back being GS's useful idiots.

I can't believe my friends and I were the only ones who saw the potential for this family plan. Those awesome single player experiences but no real MP component are generally skipped by us (or obtained by err not very legal means) because paying even $35 for a used copy for a 6 hour SP experience is insane when we pay $15/mo for WoW and $50 for the Orange Box 3 years ago and I still play TF2 almost every day.

I love trading in my stuff at Gamestop

 

[John Caboose]

This is MS who took Office and made it go from just buy it once and use, to now a Yearly license that needs to refreshed every year

So yeah, a company will try anything to push it's agenda, the great thing is consumers have a right to push back

We pushed back, MS changed it's mind, that's all

If you future techies are having a hard time coping with this, just wait a few years, maybe they'll get the Xbox Two Presentation right and enjoy the future!

See you in 2021. I'll be almost 30 by then and a decade of my life will have passed. I want a digital/disc-less console future now. MS would've provided it if not for all the insane blowback.

 

[Conflict NZ]

Where have all these supporters been the last few weeks? Afraid of being called shills??

Pretty much, I made one post that the DRM didn't bother me and I got eviscerated for it.

 

[shinra-bansho]

See you in 2021. I'll be almost 30 by then and a decade of my life will have passed. I want a digital/disc-less console future now. MS would've provided it if not for all the insane blowback.

... Then buy digital. No one's stopping you.

 

[plagiarize]

See you in 2021. I'll be almost 30 by then and a decade of my life will have passed. I want a digital/disc-less console future now. MS would've provided it if not for all the insane blowback.

Yeah, it's insane that Microsoft listened to the majority and didn't listen to you instead. Totally insane.

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

This news is buried by todays announcement.

 

[CharmingCharlie]

See you in 2021. I'll be almost 30 by then and a decade of my life will have passed. I want a digital/disc-less console future now. MS would've provided it if not for all the insane blowback.

You can have your digital/disc-less console future now all Xbone titles will be released digitally at the same time as their retail versions.

 

[goldenpp72]

On gaf and reddit there is a Gamestop b*tchfest every other day, but in the end gamers sure do love dat generous $5 credit Gamestop gives them on the trade in. Welcome back to being on their leash, thanks gamers!

idiots

Or reselling the game for 40 bucks on ebay, idiots.

 

[devious.one]

See you in 2021. I'll be almost 30 by then and a decade of my life will have passed. I want a digital/disc-less console future now. MS would've provided it if not for all the insane blowback.

Their still providing it, they already said all Xbox One games will be Day 1 digital still. So whats the problem?

 

[Bgamer90]

I assume now you're getting a PS4, since all your comments indicated your decision prior hinged on this plan.

That's actually not true. It was this plan on top of the exclusives.

Again, I was originally going to get the PS4 first (after their, at the time, HUGE E3 announcement) due to the system not having restrictions and being $100 cheaper -- that was before I knew about the family plan.

Now though that the Xbox One and PS4 are the same in terms of restrictions (& the family plan's dropped), it personally breaks things down to just games for me. For 2013-2014, Xbox One has more exclusives I'm interested in so I will still be getting it first.

Like, for example, even though it was weaker, I still would have paid $100 more for the PS2 than the original Xbox/GC since it had better games in my opinion.

So yeah, like I said before, I will still get a PS4 (probably next year). Will just wait for a few more exclusives.

 

[GraveRobberX]

Or reselling the game for 40 bucks on ebay, idiots.

No, we are idiots for having the option to sell our purchased goods

We are buffoons for not suckling the teet of MS

Their still providing it, they already said all Xbox One games will be Day 1 digital still. So whats the problem?

The games will cost him $60 rather than $6

 

[GetemMa]

But there is literally zero reason it still can't do this.

Steam is starting a share program and that doesn't require you to be online to play your games.

 

[NullPointer]

I want a digital/disc-less console future now. MS would've provided it if not for all the insane blowback.

You can have it now. I'm going to have it with either the PS4 or Xbox, or both.

I already have it with Steam.

 

[Viruz]

LET ME WATCH...

 

[ilikesanta]

I was really looking forward with sharing digital games with friends, and when I realized how cool the family plan would have been, was the moment I decided I was going to buy the XBO. Oh well they always could bring it back also I'm still looking forward to the exclusives on XBO.

 

[IlludiumQ36]

Stockholm Syndrome: The Thread

Mind boggling that people actually defend and desire for a corporation to control their entertainment.

 

[IrishNinja]

You know what's bullshit? An internet collective denouncing any form of innovation, in terms of moving towards the future, because they don't completely understand it.

I'm ready for a digital future. I'm ready for disks to be phased out. I'm ready to share a game with multiple people without having to worry about the disk getting fucked in the process, not to mention sharing with someone on the opposite coast.

I'm also ready to "gift" games digitally after I'm done with them. But now? If I download something, It's mine. Forever. Stuck in my fucking hard drive, unable to share or disperse.

When I download something, I understand I can't resell it or get any cash back for it. But the potential to share it or give it to someone is fucking awesome. And now because the internet bitched their asses off, I'm unable to do this. I'm stuck in 2010.

Thanks, guys!

oh man you are welcome SO HARD

 

[halogamer]

... Then buy digital. No one's stopping you.

bu-bu- the future.

 

[cicero]

This is MS who took Office and made it go from just buy it once and use, to now a Yearly license that needs to refreshed every year

So yeah, a company will try anything to push it's agenda, the great thing is consumers have a right to push back

We pushed back, MS changed it's mind, that's all

If you future techies are having a hard time coping with this, just wait a few years, maybe they'll get the Xbox Two Presentation right and enjoy the future!

Exactly. It's as if the people complaining had no knowledge of the long history MS has had doing things like this. I imagine that many of them were probably children when it was happening though.

 

[Immaculate]

so DRM and other shit are completely gone now and this was are only trade-off?

I'm cool with that but the PS4 is 100 dollars cheaper

 

[John Caboose]

... Then buy digital. No one's stopping you.

... Then buy digital. No one's stopping you.

bu-bu- the future.

Every single game, disc or not, sold for the Xbox One would've been digital with the old plan. Now only those sold by MS on the official Xbox Marketplace will. I would have had hundreds of stores to choose digital Xbox One games from and buy where it was cheapest. Now it is just one.

 

[RoadHazard]

Well, obviously. Did anyone think they were still gonna let you share your disc-based games with 10 other people once the DRM was gone? Hah, please. That would have made the XBO the most consumer-friendly console ever.

 

[GraveRobberX]

Every single game, disc or not, sold for the Xbox One would've been digital with the old plan. Now only those sold by MS on the official Xbox Marketplace will. I would have hundreds of stores to choose from and buy where it was cheapest. Now it is just one.

So you are a cheap-ass who's buying a $500 console... Why?

Hey if you love MS pay the $60 and enjoy that digital future

Most of will just wait for our disc versions to get cheaper and pick them up

 

[NullPointer]

Every single game, disc or not, sold for the Xbox One would've been digital with the old plan. Now only those sold by MS on the official Xbox Marketplace will. I would have hundreds of stores to choose from and buy where it was cheapest. Now it is just one.

Where are you seeing this? I thought ALL games on the Xbox were going to be day one digital?

Don't they all still need to be installed?

 

[cicero]

But there is literally zero reason it still can't do this.

Steam is starting a share program and that doesn't require you to be online to play your games.

Steam is a private company and has a history of NOT pushing anti-consumer services and schemes, MS is the opposite in every regard..

 

[Klocker]

I get you, and that is a bummer. It had one hell of a cost attached, but I can understand how that cost didn't affect you personally.

But the approach MS took isn't the only one possible. It wasn't the only future for digital. And you weren't guaranteed to be able to make use of those systems anyway, with the publisher veto always present.

You can have a method for transfer or resell of straight up digital licenses - no disk needed. Its not only possible but inevitable I think.

that would be cool if they can now still offer that as a carrot to entice people to switch, rather than as mandatory... but repeating "just like 360", may me feel not so sure about that .

but I understand that was just to get people to appreciate how it is not going to change

 

[Valnen]

... Then buy digital. No one's stopping you.

I want all the benfits of digital while still being able to put a box on my shelf.

One day I'll get that and you'll just have to deal with it.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Every single game, disc or not, sold for the Xbox One would've been digital with the old plan. Now only those sold by MS on the official Xbox Marketplace will. I would have hundreds of stores to choose from and buy where it was cheapest. Now it is just one.

This doesn't have to be the end of that dream. They can sell two SKUs. Or allow retailers to sell codes for the digital download version. I'm not saying they'll do it, but it's silly to think that Internet bullies have ruined this when its clear that Microsoft has options in terms of how to proceed.

 

[KaYotiX]

Dont have to use gamestop, argument is null.

99% of ppl do, its why they are in buisness

 

[John Caboose]

So you are a cheap-ass who's buying a $500 console... Why?

Hey if you love MS pay the $60 and enjoy that digital future

Most of will just wait for our disc versions to get cheaper and pick them up

Are you shitting me? Did you read a single word I wrote? I would've been able to get the digital games BY BUYING THE SAME DISC YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

The cheap-asses are the ones renting and buying everything used.

 

[shinra-bansho]

That's actually not true. It was this plan on top of the exclusives.

Sorry, my mistake. This was the last comment I saw:

But as I said before, if I wasn't interested in the family share plan, I would get the PS4 as my first next gen system.

I would say it's premature, in terms of exclusives. There are more trade shows to come and I highly doubt what's been shown is all the PS4 is launching with.

Every single game, disc or not, sold for the Xbox One would've been digital with the old plan. Now only those sold by MS on the official Xbox Marketplace will. I would have had hundreds of stores to choose digital Xbox One games from and buy where it was cheapest. Now it is just one.

Microsoft didn't create a digital only console, and no you wouldn't have had your pick of prices, given Microsoft could control the pricing of the secondary market, which affects pricing of the primary market.

You're talking about buying a physical item and pretending it's a digital one. Not buying digital only.

Again, if you want digital-only Xbox 180, buy digital. No one is stopping you.

Nothing is stopping Microsoft from also selling digital install discs in stores either, by the way.

 

[SRTtoZ]

Am I reading this correctly? People want to go all digital but still want to be a collector of videogames? You know this is not normal right?

 

[cicero]

So you are a cheap-ass who's buying a $500 console... Why?

Hey if you love MS pay the $60 and enjoy that digital future

Most of will just wait for our disc versions to get cheaper and pick them up

Why do you hate progress and the future?

 

[Marty Chinn]

Am I reading this correctly? People want to go all digital but still want to be a collector of videogames? You know this is no normal right?

Not wanting the convenience of digital but the rights and freedom of physical? Why wouldn't people want this?

 

[John Caboose]

Where are you seeing this? I thought ALL games on the Xbox were going to be day one digital?

Don't they all still need to be installed?

Yes they're going to be available for purchase digitally on day one. The difference is you no longer unlock the disc-less digital version by buying the disc. They are now enforcing game ownership by having you put the disc in just like on the 360.

This doesn't have to be the end of that dream. They can sell two SKUs. Or allow retailers to sell codes for the digital download version. I'm not saying they'll do it, but it's silly to think that Internet bullies have ruined this when its clear that Microsoft has options in terms of how to proceed.

It is looking bleak at the moment but I do agree that this isn't the end. Then again, nothing ever is.

 

[Unspeakable Evil]

What's the problem exactly?

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Am I reading this correctly? People want to go all digital but still want to be a collector of videogames? You know this is not normal right?

Some do. Others just wanted the benefit of being able to benefit from stores competing with each other's prices on a digital version. See Steamworks games on the PC. I don't have to pay Steam's price to activate a game into my Steam collection.