I know, but I thought it would be a comical addition to the thread. I mean, it's obvious MS aren't going to confirm anything, even if they were having yield issues.
TRUTHFACT: MS having eSRAM yield problems on Xbox One
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I know, but I thought it would be a comical addition to the thread. I mean, it's obvious MS aren't going to confirm anything, even if they were having yield issues.
Duxxy3
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Yeah I don't trust Microsoft PR anymore. They are clueless.
I'm sure once they officially admit to yield problems it'd be picked up by more mainstream outlets and would hurt Microsofts stock. That's why no one from Microsoft will flat-out say they have those problems.
You just have to look at the numbers they expect to ship to GameStop in comparison to the PS4 to see there's something wrong with XB180 though. No one can deny that.
Also, what spisho said. It's too late to downclock the system. Hell, they have to patch out the DRM stuff and we are still five months away from launch.
You just have to look at the numbers they expect to ship to GameStop in comparison to the PS4 to see there's something wrong with XB180 though. No one can deny that.
Also, what spisho said. It's too late to downclock the system. Hell, they have to patch out the DRM stuff and we are still five months away from launch.
Not to mention dishonest.
Does that mean thuway was right, but had outdated info? Bah, he shouldn't have been banned then
EDIT: though he did say Sony was helping them with XV, so there's that.
SeaOfMadness
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Pffft.. I only believe them when it's bad news.
Dead Prince
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It could be japan exclusive for ps4. But then again lolDoes that mean thuway was right, but had outdated info? Bah, he shouldn't have been banned then
EDIT: though he did say Sony was helping them with XV, so there's that.
Does that mean thuway was right, but had outdated info? Bah, he shouldn't have been banned then
Pretty much. Unlucky for him. Hopefully the ban isn't too long.
You really didn't think this statement through. Why wouldn't you believe a company publicising bad information on their own product?
This is a completely internal issue, they don't have to admit manufacturing issues to anyone and can flat-out deny them because it is in their best interest to project the image of Xbone manufacturing going perfectly - especially after the 360, as word of issues (which could even spread by them staying silent) could potentially scare buyers off.
Pristine_Condition
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Like Phil is going to get on twitter and say "Yes, we are having yield problems" and then wake up in the morning and watch all his stock options lose value.
SenjutsuSage
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No if about it. There is no downclock and there never was. What you saw at E3 is what the console is capable of, and that's just at launch with a more challenging architecture design that requires more care. Not like I don't think a 850gflops part or something around that couldn't impress in a console, because it could, but I figured E3 would at least challenge the perception that the Xbox One is as weak as some want to believe, and it more or less did so successfully.
Yeah, the idea MS would let sony have a 1tflop advantage is pretty ludicrous.
Judging by E3 the visual gap is going to be a lot less then people expected.
Let me just leave this here again.
Xbox will be more powerful than the PS4: False
Xbox will be cheaper: False
Xbox will have Dual APU: False
Xbox specs have been upgraded: False
Xbox wont come with Kinect: False
Xbox got secret sauce: False
Xbox won't use 3GB of RAm for OS: False
PS4 will have online DRM also: False
PS4 will be always online too: False
PS4 will only have 4GB Ram: False
PS4 will include the PS Eye: False
PS4 will be bigger than Xbox because of GDDR5: False
Yeah sure MS wouldn't do any of these...
They were targeting from at least last year 12 CU at 800mhz and 32MB of eSRAM.
If there is a downgrade (which I doubt) it'll be from that to something else.
I H8 Memes
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Honestly reducing yield instead of downclocking is one of the best moves MS has made with this entire launch. I'm not going to buy an X1, but even if I dont 3rd party games are going to be designed around it's limitations. Bad enough next gen games are going to be designed around the 5gb's of available memory on the X1 as well as the lower powered cpu and gpu. A further downclock would have made the situation even worse.
Great move by MS to eat the cost of the lowered yield instead of lowering the specs. It's kind of unfortunate that this is something they cant publicize.
Great move by MS to eat the cost of the lowered yield instead of lowering the specs. It's kind of unfortunate that this is something they cant publicize.
Judging console performance based on launch games developed on dev kits with moving target specs isn't very wise.
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Yup, this is where the LCD kicks in. Multiplatform developers will develop with the Xbox One's limitations in mind, since they have to be certain their game will run on that platform.
Digitaly Foundry said Ryse as well.
Dead Rising 3 apparently was, as the GB guys said there was an Xbox One sitting in front of the presenters that seemingly ran the game.
SenjutsuSage
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Forza native 1080p 60fps
Ryse native 1080p 30fps
Killer Instinct native 1080p 60fps
Project Spark native 1080p 30fps
Fifa 2014 native 1080p 60fps
All of the above were running on actual Xbox One hardware.
Battlefield 4 is targeted at 1080p at 60fps, and wasn't running on actual xbox one hardware, but instead a pc debug environment designed to the console's specs. The same I believe was also true for Dead Rising 3. But personally, I don't really expect any drastic visual and performance differences between what was shown of either game at E3, and what we'll see at release on the Xbox One versions. Then again, these games are coming at launch, so I suppose I shouldn't completely rule out some changes, but, again, I just don't expect there to be anything drastic. In fact, Dead Rising 3 on final hardware is likely to perform even better than the E3 demo with pretty much the same visuals.
Hmm, didn't know this. Guess it's safe to say Dead Rising 3 was on actual hardware, too? Mind linking me to where they said that?
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statham
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will enjoy his xbox.
Garrett 2U
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Haha thats the second time today that CBOAT's rumors have been denied by Microsoft
well the way the games look at this early stage compared to the competition and the specs that we know about do paint a picture of the graphical difference being similar to this generation.
People were saying that the PS4 would 1080p 60fps and the X1 would be 940p 30fps etc
well BF4 has been confirmed 1080p 60 fps for both PS4 and X1, though I do expect the PS4 to have a better AA soultion and slighting better textures, and in my book thats a pretty small difference.
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and that means nothing.
Lol. When you put it like that...
shinra-bansho
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If you're trying to imply that this makes him less credible and that this is less of a truthfact, you should realize this rather makes MS's execs less credible in their public statements.
What downclock rumor?
CBOAT said there yields are under expectations, no biggie happens all the time in the electronic biz.
Not really. Wall Guy did not come to define the capabilities of gen 7 console games.
People were saying a lot of dumb things. Like I said before, how about we wait until we get games that are built from the ground up on finalized hardware before passing judgment on them.
BF4 was running on a PC, IIRC.
What the fuck is Spencer gonna say?
"Yeah man, we're having ESRAM yield issues out the ass, we won't have a snowball's chance in hell of filling all these preorders. Also the CPU is gonna get downclocked because we suck at architecture design on our first tries. Shit is HOT. Hopefully normal use won't warp the board and cause the video output to sever like last time."
No, he's going to lie out his teeth (for the moment) and pray that the fabrication issues resolve themselves in time for launch so they can pretend there was never a hiccup in the first place.
"Yeah man, we're having ESRAM yield issues out the ass, we won't have a snowball's chance in hell of filling all these preorders. Also the CPU is gonna get downclocked because we suck at architecture design on our first tries. Shit is HOT. Hopefully normal use won't warp the board and cause the video output to sever like last time."
No, he's going to lie out his teeth (for the moment) and pray that the fabrication issues resolve themselves in time for launch so they can pretend there was never a hiccup in the first place.
The fact that BF4 is running at 1080p60 on both platforms is saying absolutely nothing about the (pretty sizeable) performance difference between the systems but that the development team targeted the game to run at that resolution and framerate even on Xbone.
I expect more stable framerates for many games on the PS4, that's probably one of the easiest and most important improvements we'll see aside of potentially slightly better texture quality and AA.
And this could prove to be very detrimental to the Xbone. It's certainly a "biggie" to Microsoft, low yields aren't exactly something that is cherished in the "electronic biz".
judging on all the information we know and my own gut feeling, I do think the PS4 will have better graphics across the board, 1st party titles will shine and 3rd party titles will look better on the PS4.
but I think difference wont be huge and it will be similar to this gen, I have not made my final judgement yet and will do game comparisons at launch to decide my purchase, but based on everything that has been exposed on the next gen systems this is where my opinions stands at the moment.
where does yours?
CBOAT said they were "troubling to put it lightly"
BobTheFork
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I think I'm most interested to see the warranty length is on the Xbone.
Why would that be funny?
Officerrob
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There is nothing "hilarious" about that
Well you could say the same thing about the PS3,What good is performance if it does not show in games?
and I to expect better framerates on PS4, like the 360 had this gen.
All that would do is make Microsoft look incompetent and piss off a lot of people. Of my group of friends most of them have had to replace or send in their 360s because of it. It wasn't very funny.
Why you quoting me?
XtremeXpider
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And what if PS4 have the "YLOD 2.0"? Would it be "hilarious"?
The hating against Xbox One is now ridiculous.
I H8 Memes
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Do not judge system capabilities based on launch software.
Even if it's running hot I dont see them having the same problems as the red ring disaster. The X1 box is very big and it has a massive fan so I dont think overheating will be a problem again.
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