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Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
It's weird, yeah, but how many other "eSports" titles can America lay claim to besides Marvel vs Capcom?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAsUqN1KPjw#t=1m40s
Ragingnight
Member
why do you not support it?
People press pause accidentally too. We should ban all controllers that have a pause button for EVO. It's a super dumb rule.
And it especially hurts games that have large parts of its fanbase using DS3's (MK, Tekken, etc).
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Uhhhh
Professor Beef
Banned
Are you sure you mainly play Tekken? Because you're reaching like Dhalsim here.
LOL that false equivalence. Amazing, just amazing.
What am I not getting here?
Telling players to use sticks or DS2 converters when they are most comfortable and play their best with their already-in-use DS3 is dumb.
It's like banning the gamecube controller for smash fans. Go use the wii remote.
SolarPowered
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Professor Beef
Banned
This is actually the reverse of what's happening.
Ragingnight
Member
you can't pause the game with a stick when its unplugged. Good try though.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Neither player hit the PS button. Someone else with a synced controller did. Hence, all wireless controllers have been banned from EVO for years, except in instances when there are basically no other options (Tatsunoko vs Capcom in 2010).
To reiterate: Dualshock users have had literally years to find a workable solution. I figured out how to rig a Saturn pad to the HD consoles. I don't have sympathy for anyone who still can't get with the program.
For real?
Whatever it is, people want to be on their best performance during a tournament. Banning a control scheme that large parts of a game's fanbase are most comfortable with is silly.
I was referring to DS2 with that comment. Not sticks.
Seasoned Badger
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After you unplug the DS3, it's still sync to that PS3 unless it's properly unsync'd. So people with a sync'd DS3 can hit the home button and ruin the game, which is what happen in that Ryan hart vs Grandidos video.
Professor Beef
Banned
They're not banning the control scheme "just because." They're doing it because wireless controllers can - and have, as 645 explained - fuck up matches. I use a DS3 myself and I haven't been happy with the ruling for years now, but I respect it and completely understand why it was made in the first place.
You can disconnect the wire to the battery on the DS3 so it won't operate unless plugged in. For local tournaments this works out pretty well.
Regardless, DS3 wireless is a pain. There's always, always SOME GUY who doesn't turn off their controller and hits the PS button before plugging it in.
Regardless, DS3 wireless is a pain. There's always, always SOME GUY who doesn't turn off their controller and hits the PS button before plugging it in.
Then people shouldn't be allowed to leave after a finishing a match before unsynching/turning off their controller from the PS3. It takes literally two seconds to do that.
From what I've noticed, xmb pops up more often because people have been pressing it accidentally.
Professor Beef
Banned
You can't unsync a controller right then and there. You need another PS3 to do that. And it'd be hard to enforce something like that consistently. It's better to just ban the controller.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Good luck universally enforcing that at en event with thousands of players.
Ragingnight
Member
how do you "unsync" it. There isn't an unsynching station.
Also Kor has pressed the home button when he wasn't playing. The whole audience saw it since it was streamed.
Turning the controller off prevents most inputs from being registered, but hitting the PS button will still resync it to the last console it was plugged into.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
It's one thing to make a rule. It's another thing to have to enforce it. If all it takes is one slip-up to throw a wrench into things, then it's arguably not worth it.
Better than forcing a large part of players to use control schemes that they don't play their best with.
If pressing home button screws up a few matches, then banning dualshock 3 messes up entire playstyles for people.
Btw, professor, I realize you are talking about wireless vs. wired with that wii remote vs. gamecube controller comment. But I was referring more so to comfort and ease of use.
Karsticles
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Stabby McSter
Member
Just remove the battery on DS3 controllers. That way they can only use their controllers by plugging it in. 
SolarPowered
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I saw Avengers yesterday. It was pretty kickass.
Logistics are everything in a tournament. Also important are the integrity of the matches. DS3 wireless use hurts both of these.
Ragingnight
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Just remove the battery on DS3 controllers. That way they can only use their controllers by plugging it in.
how do you enforce that
Its been banned since 2010. Are you telling me for 3 years tekken players can't find an alternative controller they are comfortable with? Where the MK/Injustice/Marvel community complaining about this?
Then, as an extra precaution, the last two people that played the match should be escorted several feet away from the PS3 where wireless connection will not reach.
They can do something/anything other than ban a whole control scheme that people rely so heavily on. And if it was such a big issue, every tournament would have banned DS3's (which hasn't happened). EVO is probably the only one that does. Yes, it's the biggest FG tournament but there's enough crowds/rush at every tournament.
Professor Beef
Banned
They've had an entire year to learn to use a different method of control. Several years, in fact. A converter will work, learning stick will work, etc. That's a long time to practice and get back into fighting shape so you can prepare. What I don't get is why people are complaining NOW of all times instead of raising a bigger stink after 08.
Even though I'm completely responsible and always turn off my controller/sync it on another system, that doesn't mean that everyone else does or will do it. That's why I will make sure to purchase a proper converter for tournaments to get around these sorts of rules.
LMAO @ that escort suggestion.
Almost every major I've attended or have been interested in attending that uses primarily PS3s has a clause for DS3s being banned. Whether or not that rule is actually ENFORCED is another question.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Learn something else.
Again, this rule has been in place for years. Do you realize how entitled and whiny these complaints sound this late in the game? Especially when decent converters and DS2, DS1, and original digital PSX pads aren't exactly rare, and the differences aren't nearly as huge as, say, arcade cabinets and pre-TE sticks were? The idea that a tournament could be jeopardized because of comparatively small preferences is just obnoxious.
Again, you have to enforce this. The controllers would need to be checked to make sure they work properly. That's something that could be done for top 8 pretty easily, but the whole event? I'm not sure.Just remove the battery on DS3 controllers. That way they can only use their controllers by plugging it in.
Ragingnight
Member
you're going to escort people 30 feet?
NC has been banning wireless for ages, and they're banned at Final Round. *shrug*
Yeah, again, logistics.
If I'm a DS3-only player and have to use control schemes that I am not comfortable with instead in a tournament, then the integrity of the entire match is already compromised because I am not playing my best and the other player has an upper hand.
Didn't know about FR. But that's still a small minority in comparison to the ones that allow it.
The DS3's with the batteries out are legal at FR and NC tournaments, unless that has changed recently. (Which I think is fine)
At Evo hearing they're banned period. (which gives real issue to many Tekken players who would have to learn stick to play)
Stabby McSter
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Judges for pools really should be enforcing it, but from all my experiences at majors, the judges are prrreeeetttyyy shitty. :\
Your inability to adapt to a Dualshock 2 is less important than your ability to fuck up another match.
Professor Beef
Banned
What about if they announced the ruling ahead of time (let's say a year) and you ignore the ruling and come in with a DS3 anyways. Whose fault is that?
That's because I only found out about it just now. I've only been to one tournament my whole life and I didn't start following the tourney scene until recently.
Getting a DS2 converter isn't hard at all. But it does take several time to get the d-pad to your liking to make movement and qcf/semicircle attacks to work like you want them to. Which means using a DS2 converter for a PS3 game whenever I play that game. Inconvenience.
Ragingnight
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Karsticles
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So many long action scenes with explosions everywhere. That hasn't been interesting to me for a long time. The only good action scenes were Hulk's. Loki was a lame villain. Various plot holes...not that the film's target audience cares about plot.
I'm not even going to EVO so it doesn't affect me personally. But it does affect games that have large fanbases using DS3's.
Ragingnight
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and those fanbases (most of them) already adjusted. MK community adjusted in their FIRST year.
Marvel and Anime has adjusted as well.(though a good portion of them if not the majority are stick users).
Professor Beef
Banned
And it would be their fault for not bothering to read the rules...for the past few years.