Edge #256: Why PS4 is your next console (Shots fired, post-DRM 180)
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captainwhat
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It's still too early to tell, but I do know for myself that I'm getting a PS4 and launch and waiting on the XBONE.
MikeJAMoran
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Iacobellis
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The whole Xbox One is a mess. Don Mattrick wasn't even fired, he left Microsoft by his own decision.
When Sinofsky "left" Microsoft last year, there was an immediate replacement for him. As of now, Ballmer is overseeing the Xbox division. If Mattrick was fired, Microsoft would have had a new person to take his spot already.
So at the moment, the Xbox division is being led by an absolute suit. Ballmer runs his mouth at the competition and is then scratching his head years later wondering why his products can't gain much market share. Look up his reactions to the iPhone, Android, MacBook Air, etc.. He is terrible at planning, which leaves me scratching my head as to why he is still the head of Microsoft.
Your $500 price point is staying, your mandatory Kinect is staying, and your weaker hardware is sure as hell staying. A company cannot perform a full reversal on a system like this due out in five months. This was Don's vision, and now he isn't even present to see how it will unfold in November.
You got lucky with their 180º on the DRM policies. That is all software and can easily (yes, Major Nelson, I said easily) be fixed prior to launch with a patch. Nintendo half-assed the Wii U with the firmware update that took hours to download and install, and now Microsoft will follow suit. Maybe the power of the Cloud™ will rectify this. They laugh at new innovations, and then follow them later on so they can catch up with the other guys that are already beating them to a pulp.
When Sinofsky "left" Microsoft last year, there was an immediate replacement for him. As of now, Ballmer is overseeing the Xbox division. If Mattrick was fired, Microsoft would have had a new person to take his spot already.
So at the moment, the Xbox division is being led by an absolute suit. Ballmer runs his mouth at the competition and is then scratching his head years later wondering why his products can't gain much market share. Look up his reactions to the iPhone, Android, MacBook Air, etc.. He is terrible at planning, which leaves me scratching my head as to why he is still the head of Microsoft.
Your $500 price point is staying, your mandatory Kinect is staying, and your weaker hardware is sure as hell staying. A company cannot perform a full reversal on a system like this due out in five months. This was Don's vision, and now he isn't even present to see how it will unfold in November.
You got lucky with their 180º on the DRM policies. That is all software and can easily (yes, Major Nelson, I said easily) be fixed prior to launch with a patch. Nintendo half-assed the Wii U with the firmware update that took hours to download and install, and now Microsoft will follow suit. Maybe the power of the Cloud™ will rectify this. They laugh at new innovations, and then follow them later on so they can catch up with the other guys that are already beating them to a pulp.
SquiddyCracker
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As indicated by the following list:
5 more exclusives (unannounced), and 4 more OG IP exclusives.
IceDoesntHelp
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diffusionx
Gold Member
Like I said, nobody has a crystal ball. I don't know what either company will be doing in 2016.
My point was simply that we can prattle endlessly about DRM, or RAM types, or OS footprints, or what Don Mattrick is feeling in his heart of hearts, but all that matters in the end is the games on the darn thing. On that count, the One looks very good.
Umm...OK?
WhyIsTheRumGone
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I've said it in my last reply to you and will say it in this one. What exclusives did the 360 get this late in the generation? Does it have a swan song ala The Last Of Us?
VGChampion
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Five years is a long time tech wise. Who knows what could happen by then.
The games lineup was great, there's no doubt about that. But MS have set themselves back with the PR situation they let Sony take advantage (rightly so) and the poor messaging to the core gamer. If you look at sites like WIRED etc (non-gamer sites) they're all excited for the device. Which is the polar opposite with gaming sites. Whoever steps in now to manage Xbox, needs to improve the brand image and set things right. Don done screwed up big time.
The games are there, as long they look great and perform well or close to PS4 in multiplats, there will be no issue. A choice left to the developers.
TheClimaxan
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While I'm sure the case for the PS4 is strong,when I see this I see a shortsighted and desperate attempt to be provocative. MS has fucked up plenty, but I would have had just as much a problem if Edge had done this with the 360 after Sony bungled the PS3 launch. Simply for the reason there is plenty of time for them to be proven terribly wrong. I'm all for publications writing opinion pieces, but the headline may or may not haunt the shit out of them one day.
In fairness they do have Fable Anniversary out this year. I'm not commenting on the quality of the title but it's still coming.
What are these indie games on ps4 that's suppose to be system sellers? Serious question?
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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I think Balmer will continue to oversee the entire Xbox division until he has a good understanding as to who needs to leave the company. After he guts it, only then will a replacement be hired. That is just my guy instinct about it.
BibiMaghoo
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The natural evolution of a magazine saying one console is better for you than another. Opinions/assholes, and all that.
It was never going to turn out any other way.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Oh I agree totally.....but you cannot deny the flow of negativity towards the Xbox One.....
Out of the gate, Its not off to a great start, which would be less of a problem if the PS4 didn't inherit so much initial good will from the press and a large group of gamers, not to mention indie developers....
The current Xbone price point only amplifies all these PlayStation 4 advantages
Ragnarsson
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I would rather not judge a magazine by its cover and read the article first. I agree with their stance on this, but I don't know if I agree with their reasoning.
Agreed. The Japanese landscape is not changing at all. Xbox one will flop there. No argument. The sells from x1 will undoubtedly come from the west like it did this gen, thus, western development will be the main developers.
Doug Heffernan
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I don't like when magazines tell me what console I should buy.
I'll make that decision myself.
I'll make that decision myself.
Majmun
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Realistically speaking? Not a chance.
X360 got the early release and cheaper pricetag as an advantage. But the Ps3 still managed to outsell it in the end. And Ps3 is still the most expensive console.
Now the Sony console will be the cheaper one and both consoles will be released around the same time. Playstation brand is also much more stronger across the globe.
I just don't see a scenario where the X1 will outsell the Ps4 on a worldwide basis. Especially since the X1 will be doa in Japan.
SquiddyCracker
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That's cool you have a time machine and already know sales numbers for both next gen consoles. Please tell me more on the future
razgriz417
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You didn't think it would? With an Edge cover and tagline like that?
WhyIsTheRumGone
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My post said what ps4 indie game is a system seller. :/
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Without doubt....but it is abundantly clear that that the sentiment of positivism towards Xbone is dwindling by the day it seems....
Most of the news from the Xbone reveal to now is not doing much to reverse this negative trend at all....
If it *can* be slowed down, stopped, then revesed to the point of Xbone being worldwide market leader 5 years from now, that will be a masterstroke in PR performance......I hope, for their sake they can pull it off, because they are being HAMMERED right now :/
Crimson_Gold
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SquiddyCracker
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I don't recall you shitting on Sony because $599 and Blu-ray trojan horse. Why is that?
Iacobellis
Junior Member
Well, we didn't pay $599 for weak-ass hardware.
WhyIsTheRumGone
Banned
Never thought of this actually. Nice one.
Wuthering_Heights
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Not a surprising cover, really.
The PS4 is the more attractive console by far. Games, price, features, and potential-wise.
Good on Edge.
The PS4 is the more attractive console by far. Games, price, features, and potential-wise.
Good on Edge.
Vyse The Legend
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No one knows what the next Minecraft will be. No one.
But, that's why Sony is investing heavily in the indie scene, because the cost to do so is low, yet the potential for greatness is exponentially high.
Meanwhile, Microsoft is just investing in known quantities, such as Minecraft again and Capy's new game.
Depends on what a person is interested in. Many justfiy the extra $100 of the Xbox One due to the system having better looking first year exclusives in their opinion. Some for kinect. Some for Xbox Live (& its features for next gen). Some for the media features. Some for the analog placement of the XB1 controller. Some for a mix of all of those things (or all of them period).
The Xbox One could EASILY have a price drop next year. Heck, I'm pretty certain that the reason why MS is keeping the Xbox One at $500 is to just bank in on early console buyers who are hyped.
If that happens and the PS4 stays the same price, it becomes a new ball game. Will people see the Xbox One as the better value since it has the majority of the same games PLUS kinect at the same price?
There's just so many scenarios/ways things can play out for different people over the course of the gen. Not everyone is interested in the same things and/or has the same opinion on what's the better deal for their personal interests.
So like I said, if you can't get both, buy the one that you're interested in the most and play. Should be a fun year for gamers regardless of what 2013 next gen console they get.
Have you read it? You can't judge the context of an article by a headline.
I don't think you're understanding the context in which "dead" was used.
The Xbox 360 is all but dead not because of the PS3 passing it in sales, but because MS shows no interest in giving it meaningful support.
No one was running down the Wii's hardware install base when Nintendo unofficially but still quite clearly pulled the plug on it several years ago before the Wii U was even announced. It was dead at that point and everything since has been a wind down.
Companies decide how long they want to support a product. Microsoft hasn't wanted to support the Xbox 360 in the way that is meaningful to core gamers (new games) for several years now while Sony has had some of their best lineups all generation here at the tail end of it. That is a first party keeping a console alive. The only reason sales come into this is that they support the argument, proving that continued software support keeps momentum going and gives the console a stronger late life push.
To that end we see that Microsoft's sales lead in the U.S. and U.K. is now suddenly not enough to off-set Sony's lead throughout the rest of Europe, Japan, and the rest of the world. This is partially due to Sony being very strong outside of those two markets and partially due to Sony tightening up the race in those two markets. Why? Because they continue to deliver compelling software.
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