Vestal
Junior Member
What opposite reason?! Huh???
I am amazed at how much slack pretty much everyone is giving Sony on everything.
Edge #256: Why PS4 is your next console (Shots fired, post-DRM 180)
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What opposite reason?! Huh???
I am amazed at how much slack pretty much everyone is giving Sony on everything.
There are patents for every possible situations. What does that have to do with what company strategy?
There were patents for many BC for PS3 that never got implemented on PS3, hell they actively took away BC. There are patents for crap that everyone knows that would never get implemented because that is how the patent process works.
If you are gonna base Sony on Patents and then completely ignore the FACT that MS actually opened the door for sony to implement those DRM. Sony could have easily just followed it. But they didnt. They care about there fan base and did at least in this case acted like a knight in shinning Armour. Absolutely forced MS to change its mind.
Vestal
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As far as KI go check the thread about it. The game and the passion behind it appears to be great.
Ryse looked spectacular visually, and I will hold judgement until closer to release and until we see more gameplay to decide if it needs to be buried.
I'm just posting to congratulate you on your meltdown. carry on...
(related/unrelated: edge cover is gorgeous design *_*)
I feel like edge are just saying what most hardcore gamers think. Evey game playing friend I know is getting ps4 over the xo even people who wouldn't of considered it a year ago have switched sides most of the press I've read and podcasts I've heard have been leaning that way. Side note I can't believe we've got this far into the topic without the usual edge is uk bias bs that normally appears.
because if you don't patent it, someone else does instead, and decide years (decades) later, you are now left with needing to pay licensing for it (or get sued).
Just relative to Microsoft. And if you fail to see where this comes from then I am very sorry for you.
Slack for what?
IF sony didnt went DRM free. Your XB1 would still have had its DRM as of right now.
Vestal
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I remember the famous words... "People will get a 2nd job to buy a PS3"(paraphrased)
Its a COMPANY at the end of the day, they care about their investors. They saw an opportunity to stick it to MS and they took it. Nothing wrong with that, its business.. Just don't act like if some Company that brought us a 600 dollar console actually cares about their fans.
No one's giving them slack, they're just using their common sense and the information afforded to us. To me it seems like you're letting your own personal bias get in the way of logic. This assumption that if Microsoft is bring greedy and stupid about certain things, Sony must automatically be the same on all fronts. It's an unsubstantiated and silly notion.
We knew from months ago that Tretton and Yosp were against anti used games and that a huge chunk of Sony's market is I'm low internet infrastructure regions. Add to that, they even joked about it on twitter announcing the DRM game, and many Sony figures told us they were already listening to us. This Sony too! thing needs to be given a rest. You guys have been wrong about each and every thing bar one (paying for online, though not necessarily bring part of PS+).
You know what is the problem ? I believe people here said the same thing about the vita when it was announced. How its a 3ds killer etc. at the end of the day it didnt kill shit. And that system is more powerful than 3ds as ps4 is more powerful than xbox one
I am not saying ps4 is a vita. But honestly it will always come down to games.
This may be true but I believe Patrick from Giantbomb over what PR was saying. Doesn't matter to me though, I'm still getting a launch PS4 because I don't really care about what a company planned to do, only if the outcome benefits me or not.
AppleSmack
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I can reserve judgement on KI for now on, but I can't exactly say it's a title I am looking forward to considering the reputation of the studio. Even if the game is good (a big 'if' at that), I simply hate fighting games (and racing games as well) so I wouldn't get it anyway, but that is just me. Ryse looks like a guaranteed turd right now. We have seen enough gameplay to know that unless serious gameplay overhauls are made, the game will be nothing more than a tech demo. Comments by the developers do not suggest any such changes. They seem to think QTE that you can't fail is a good thing.
As of now, I would say:
Forza >>>>> Drive Club, but as I said I hate racing games so I don't care.
Knack is notable only because Microsoft seems to lack any platformer at launch.
However, I don't see any game that can match Killzone SF quality being released on launch for Xbox one. This game is easily the most impressive next-gen title being released in 2013.
Multiplatforms seem great, but they are cross-gen and are naturally restricted in that regard. Either way, the hate Xbox One is getting is not very surprising. This console needs to be convincing us to pay $100 for a weaker system. It is doing a very poor job at that.
zomgbbqftw
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Kutaragi - gone
Harrison - gone
PS3 slim introduced
Kaz - promoted
Shu - promoted
PS4 = awesome.
If it makes you feel better, the reason the #NoDRM movement was started was because famousmortimer's sources had told him Sony was considering DRM but had stalled in light of the backlash to the XBO. They were leaning towards not using it already, but the hope was that a few twitter posts could at least give a tiny push further in that direction. The people in the movement were far from optimistic, and the overall sentiment was that if Sony did go through with their DRM, they'd be thrown under the bus with MS.
MS doing a 180 was a good thing in all regards, but that doesn't erase the bad will they've earned trying to implement it in the first place. It will take a while for that to subside.
Visualante2
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Sony's UK presence has never been more irrelevant.
Liverpool: closed
Cambridge: now a satellite studio for the House of Killzone
London: busy working on Wonderbook type experiences
Evolution: making a photorealistic racer while Polyphony does the same
Media Molecule is the best thing they've got going for them
PS4/Vita comparison is silly though because, as you said, it always comes down to games and the PS4 has a HELL of a lot more support than the Vita. Third parties aren't avoiding Sony's console like they are its handheld.
Saint Anima
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The PS4 is also $100 cheaper than the Xbox One (the 3DS is cheaper than a Vita).
Price does play a part in this, alongside games.
Gold_Loot
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Because Sony is poor as hell?. The company barely raises funds for advertising, I doubt they have the cash to throw around in hats.
Vestal
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No I just hate the imbalance when it comes to this type of discussion. So apparently I am painted towards 1 side, even though I am getting both consoles.
You want to go through every patent every company files each year? You want to see how many never ever get used or acted on? You want to sit there and say they clearly had plans to use it, because some clever cunt somewhere came up with an idea for the company he works for that might one day be of value to them?
When a company sets out to make a product they are going to be covering all kinds of bases with ideas. Because one engineer thinks up a patent to track what porn sites you visit without you knowing, doesn't mean that the company is going to use it. Just that they patented it in case they ever changed their mind or if someone else wanted to do it they could make bank.
I have no clue if they ever need to use that patent. Neither do you. Eurogamer reported months ago that they were told that patent wouldn't be used on the PS4, and that was before the DRM shit kicked off iirc.
Neuromancer
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Patrick also said that all the big bad publishers twisted MS's arm into doing this stuff, which by all accounts does not seem to be the case.
Good thing Sony's got game.
Yeah, cheaper, more powerful and launching at the same time (not to mention the sour taste of the DRM situation). MS has an uphill battle, even if the games are a wash, quality wise.
True enough, though he did seem confident in his DRM claim, almost matter of factly. But like I said, it wouldn't matter to me anyway. I don't have time to deprive myself of stuff that I want because of what could have been.
Because Sony patents a ton of shit they might never use. All technology companies do. It's how you keep yourself from getting sued years down the road after you've already made millions of controllers with rumble features.
Fact is, the PS4 doesn't have any of the necessary hooks with regards to always online that would be needed to have the original XB1 DRM concept in-place. Therefore it is quite clear that Sony from the start wasn't planning on making that jump this generation at least.
Then you should thank your sony shinning knights for making sure that both your console are going to be DRM free.
Exclusives like the GTAIV DLC, Bioshock, Dead Rising, Lost Planet, Star Ocean IV, Mass Effect and ever other game that MS claimed as exclusive but later went to PS3?
True looks like ps4 is going to get more third party support out of the gate though and it definitely seems to have more support in the press.
fastford58
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Oops. Sorry, dude. I did say "reliable" though.
So you're basically blaming Sony for MS's troubles, which is utterly ridiculous.
The fact of the matter is that if Sony changed course they did it after the first organized consumer pushback. MS and the industry were getting consumer feedback months ago (arguably nearly a year) when the first rumors came out about the DRM. They got further feedback after the Adam Orth debacle.
After all of that what do they do? They go through with it and spend all of E3 pushing ridiculous PR talking points and making completely ludicrous statements to the press (the few they talked to and didn't cancel) that indicate they were trying to weather consumer sentiment. Only when it became obvious that the situation was untenable did they relent.
That is not the behavior of a company that is earnestly taking consumer feedback into account. That is the behavior of a company flailing after their attempts to tell consumers what is best for them failed.
The constant refrain from certain quarters that try and lay the blame for MS's own anti consumer behavior at the feet of Sony, and draw some kind of false equivalence between the two, has become quite tiresome.
It's actually a perfect balance.
Sony took some knocks last gen and MS ate up their marketshare.
Now it's MS's turn to take some knocks.
It's the circle of life. We'll all get better products because of it. There is no reason to be upset. Just sit back, relax and watch MS learn their lessons.
FairXchange
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Same here!
That imbalance is because MS tried to push DRM policies onto its next console and have earned a terrible reputation in the process. For now and perhaps well past launch, they will have this stigma over them despite doing a 180. That's just the consequences of business. Do something consumers like, you get a good rep. Do something they don't like, you get a bad rep. That's that. Do you really hate the imbalance or is it more that it's because MS is the one getting shafted by the imbalance? They brought it upon themselves after all.
I think that's far from the truth tbh. I'd say the average opinion on GAF was that the Vita was sent out to die, especially with the high price. It was my own personal opinion as well on its main reveal. I'd say the main thing GAF has been wrong on in recent times was the Wii, but everything else the consensus has been largely on point.
Vestal
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Actually the opposite. I was actually looking forward to both companies competing in the Digital age in regards to digital sharing, and sales. I don't care for the Physical DRM, since I keep the games I buy.
Hmm remind me again, how long did it take for Sony to get any of those games?
I am also talking about stuff like, Halo, Fable, Forza, KI, Remedy stuff.
NekoFever
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Companies patent anything they design, even if they're not planning on implementing it, because patents are worth money. Now if anyone comes up with a DRM scheme like Sony's, Sony gets paid, either in licensing fees or by selling the patent. Why would you not patent it?
Vestal
Junior Member
I give up on this point. I mean its clear that you all want to give them every single inch of rope you can in regards to this.
So there is really no point in discussing it. You all have made up your minds as far as this goes.
Nowhere near related and you can talk to SalesGAF about the correlation between the sales of the 3DS and Wii U or lack therof. Handheld sales are not even in the same ballpark when we are talking about consoles.
I'm sorry what? Did you just try to paint all of us under one broad brush of Sony fanboyism? You're really not helping your case here.
I won't comment on whether he is or not because I have no idea, but I've literally seen him make dozens and dozens of posts in countless threads defending the XO and downplaying the PS4 without fail, generally on make belief grounds that have no actual merit. It's certainly interesting to see.
Vestal
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As far as those that have quoted me and said basically the exact same thing? yeah how else am I supposed to frame it.
uncledonnie
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I don't understand the meltdowns over this, even from Microsoft fans. It's just an article, and this sentiment toward MS is not exactly unique to Edge. And while not completely the same thing, Edge has done similar covers with other console releases. I look forward to reading the article but I don't expect to see a lot of original insight that hasn't already been expressed elsewhere.
Will something like this have any appreciable impact on the success of the XB1? I doubt it; certainly nowhere near as much impact as the difference in price compared to the PS4. Microsoft does have an image problem around the XB1 though, and they are in a somewhat precarious position now with Mattrick leaving and no clear direction on his replacement. But it's still 5 months out from launch.
Will something like this have any appreciable impact on the success of the XB1? I doubt it; certainly nowhere near as much impact as the difference in price compared to the PS4. Microsoft does have an image problem around the XB1 though, and they are in a somewhat precarious position now with Mattrick leaving and no clear direction on his replacement. But it's still 5 months out from launch.
Not everything the companies research/invest in/patent will be implemented in their console. In the case of the patents in question, they may or may not. We don't know and don't have a basis to know. If they go down that road people will object when they try to, as with MS' DRM. Until then it's all speculation - in both directions. (There have been indications they won't utilize them, as was said a ways up.)
Vestal
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So were have I made anything up? please show me..
I'll try to keep that in mind if you promise to stop using false equivalency to make your case.
Vestal
Junior Member
Absolutely. The point that I was trying to make originally is that it was something that was entertained by them. We have the patent and the various rumors around the reveal that they were looking down the path of DRM for Physical copies
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