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[Amir0x]

Apart from "live TV", what does Xbone do that PS4 doesn't (this is assuming they don't release the adapter that allows you to watch TV/DVR)?

Kinect 2.0 (heartbeat sensing; etc); haptic rumble in triggers; snap; no self-publishing

I mean there are plenty of differences between the systems. It's not like one can't make a perfectly educated choice between the two and decide one or the other is their preference. i mean, now that Microsoft canceled the DRM disaster, the XBO can be a perfectly legitimate console for people (if you switch off your mind and forget that they'll probably use the funds they make to push more anti-consumer nonsense next-gen). I won't buy it until close to the end of the gen after everything that has happened, but others are more... forgiving... about things like this.

 

[Biker19]

Just as evil as Microsoft. All we did was delay the inevitable. And everyone thinks MS was the only evil one.

It's just a wish list; it's not exactly confirmed. And it's mostly talking about movies.

4K resolution would be impossible for games, because the hardware on PS4 isn't exactly powerful enough to run that kind of resolution properly.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

Well he's banned, so I guess he was

By my count, three or four people that I have quoted in this thread so far were banned soon afterwards. I feel like I'm Robin to Bish's Batman.

Spoiler

And I just quoted you so watch out!

 

[Joni]

It's just a wish list; it's not exactly confirmed. And it's mostly talking about movies.

It is also by someone from Sony Pictures who work so closely together with SCE that Disney probably more has to say.

 

[BigDug13]

Just as evil as Microsoft. All we did was delay the inevitable. And everyone thinks MS was the only evil one.

Sony is a big company. What some guy from Sony's Movie Division says means nothing as to the planning and execution of the policies surrounding the Playstation 4.

It's like saying if someone from the Windows Phone Division came out and said touchscreen gaming will replace all controllers so you take that to mean the next Xbox will not have controllers at all. It's silly.

 

[Biker19]

It is also by someone from Sony Pictures who work so closely together with SCE that Disney probably more has to say.

Even if so, DRM isn't exactly built-in inside the PS4's hardware at all like it is with Xbox One. As a matter of fact, it's the same as with PS3 when it comes to it.

 

[twobear]

Apart from "live TV", what does Xbone do that PS4 doesn't (this is assuming they don't release the adapter that allows you to watch TV/DVR)?

Didn't they just announce that the Windows app store is coming to Xbox One a few days ago? To the best of my knowledge PS4 doesn't do user-developed apps?

 

[Sky Chief]

Apart from "live TV", what does Xbone do that PS4 doesn't (this is assuming they don't release the adapter that allows you to watch TV/DVR)?

The PS3 does live TV why wouldn't the PS4?

 

[Toki767]

Didn't they just announce that the Windows app store is coming to Xbox One a few days ago? To the best of my knowledge PS4 doesn't do user-developed apps?

The Windows app store is almost like a barren wasteland compared to the Android and iOS stores. The only thing worse than it is Blackberry's and they can at least run Android apps now. The PS4 may not support user-made apps, but the self-publishing would mean better overall games support.

 

[twobear]

The Windows app store is almost like a barren wasteland compared to the Android and iOS stores. The only thing worse than it is Blackberry's and they can at least run Android apps now. The PS4 may not support user-made apps, but the self-publishing would mean better overall games support.

It's still something the Xbone can do that the PS4 can't, though. I agree that self-publishing games means better game support for PS4 but still.

 

[Takuya]

The PS3 does live TV why wouldn't the PS4?

Hence the add-on.

Didn't they just announce that the Windows app store is coming to Xbox One a few days ago? To the best of my knowledge PS4 doesn't do user-developed apps?

Nothing stopping them from allowing PS Mobile on there.

 

[Toki767]

It's still something the Xbone can do that the PS4 can't, though. I agree that self-publishing games means better game support for PS4 but still.

I guess you can also say that the Xbox One can potentially give you ads on the dashboard.

 

[zoukka]

Kinect 2.0 (heartbeat sensing; etc); haptic rumble in triggers; snap; no self-publishing

I mean there are plenty of differences between the systems. It's not like one can't make a perfectly educated choice between the two and decide one or the other is their preference. i mean, now that Microsoft canceled the DRM disaster, the XBO can be a perfectly legitimate console for people (if you switch off your mind and forget that they'll probably use the funds they make to push more anti-consumer nonsense next-gen). I won't buy it until close to the end of the gen after everything that has happened, but others are more... forgiving... about things like this.

True and by purchasing a PS4 you support online paywalls compared to the preceeding platform and the Wii U.

And let's be intellectually honest here. Sony will jump the DRM train as soon as the general public is ready for it.

 

[Amir0x]

True and by purchasing a PS4 you support online paywalls compared to the preceeding platform and the Wii U.

And let's be intellectually honest here. Sony will jump the DRM train as soon as the general public is ready for it.

As to your last comment, I don't believe thinking that implies intellectual honesty. It's perfectly legitimate to think that Sony feels and will continue thinking that underlining their support for consumer rights is a viable business direction for them; just as it is likely they might decide the opposite. I think plenty of gamers learned their lesson about such things when they said things like 'well XBO has DRM; Sony must have it too. You're nuts if you think they don't!'

That said, as you said, there's negative bits about PS4 that might be other people's line-in-the-sand (like the paywall, as you suggest, which would make one PC and Wii U exclusive; a very nice combo, surely). And there's plenty of things differentiating the system. I sort of rolled my eyes when some Xbox fans were all 'thanks gamers, now PS4 and XBO are identical to each other! Hope you're happy in your world of clone consoles!' There's a LOT different between the two. Arguably, there is more difference between PS4 and XBO than there is between PS3 and 360.

 

[BigDug13]

True and by purchasing a PS4 you support online paywalls compared to the preceeding platform and the Wii U.

And let's be intellectually honest here. Sony will jump the DRM train as soon as the general public is ready for it.

What do you consider the DRM train? Mandatory 24 hour checkins were honestly the only bullshit part of MS's plan to me. As long as the disc in the tray can act as DRM for physical media as it always has, then there is no problem. Once we all go discless, then yes, like Steam, you buy a game and it's yours. No resale. And yes, everyone will go that route. So I'm not sure what your issue is or where you think Sony had other avenues that they are ready to pursue.

 

[nelsonroyale]

True and by purchasing a PS4 you support online paywalls compared to the preceeding platform and the Wii U.

And let's be intellectually honest here. Sony will jump the DRM train as soon as the general public is ready for it.

Which will be whenever disc-based releases become obselete, yes. It won't happen with physical based releases though. I don't think the consumer will support it. I personally don't have such a problem with network releases, but I think they should be cheaper than physical releases for very obvious reasons.

 

[Neuromancer]

True and by purchasing a PS4 you support online paywalls compared to the preceeding platform and the Wii U.

And let's be intellectually honest here. Sony will jump the DRM train as soon as the general public is ready for it.

I've always been ok with paying for online. As long as I'm being provided with a service I feel is worth the money and is continually being improved, I'm happy.

 

[kaching]

zoukka, purchasing a PS4 isn't an endorsement of online paywalls, since you need to purchase a PSN subscription for that. There will be F2P games that won't be locked behind the PSN paywall, so it's entirely possible to own a PS4, still play online, and not endorse an online paywall.

And "jumping the DRM train" on account of physical disc sales that will continue to drop this gen anyway as they get replaced by digital purchases was a comically bad scheme in the first place and I doubt anyone is going to try again. No need to do anything other than continue to sell Digital on it merits and physical disc sales will continue to decline apace.

 

[imtehman]

Last of us does enough different, it follows the definition of "survival horror" to a tee in a way that I don't recall ever seeing in any other game.

The last of us is not survival horror wtf

 

[zoukka]

What do you consider the DRM train? Mandatory 24 hour checkins were honestly the only bullshit part of MS's plan to me. As long as the disc in the tray can act as DRM for physical media as it always has, then there is no problem. Once we all go discless, then yes, like Steam, you buy a game and it's yours. No resale. And yes, everyone will go that route. So I'm not sure what your issue is or where you think Sony had other avenues that they are ready to pursue.

Yeah I just meant that Microsoft made the error of thinking that people would swallow their DRM plan. Sony didn't. Has nothing to do with defending consumer rightsm just pure business sense.

zoukka, purchasing a PS4 isn't an endorsement of online paywalls, since you need to purchase a PSN subscription for that. There will be F2P games that won't be locked behind the PSN paywall, so it's entirely possible to own a PS4, still play online, and not endorse an online paywall.

Yep it's entirely possible to have a gimped PS4 while supporting the publisher that wants you to pay for the full experience.

 

[BigDug13]

Yeah I just meant that Microsoft made the error of thinking that people would swallow their DRM plan. Sony didn't. Has nothing to do with defending consumer rightsm just pure business sense.

So you are saying the DRM train is nothing but the same avenue every other company takes when it comes to 100% digital media? Then why did you frame it in such a negative way to make it seem like nefarious intent from Sony?

 

[Freki]

The last of us is not survival horror wtf

you must have played a different game than me...

Survival horror:

Although combat can be a part of the gameplay, the player is made to feel less powerful than in typical action games, because of limited ammunition, health, speed, or other limitations. The player is also challenged to find items that unlock the path to new areas, and solve puzzles at certain locations. Games make use of strong horror themes, and the player is often challenged to navigate dark maze-like environments, and react to unexpected attacks from enemies.

wikipedia

 

[Alej]

The last of us is not survival horror wtf

It is. And much more than Resident Evil for example.

 

[PlanetSmasher]

The last of us is not survival horror wtf

How is it not survival horror?

 

[GoofsterStud]

QB isn't launch, neither is The Order.

You're also forgetting about Crimson Dragon? D4? Pretty sure both will be at launch on the One, both are what I'd consider risky IP.

I don't know about D4...but your putting a lot of faith into Crimson Dragon.

A game that has been delayed for how long? That looked no better than a 360 game. That went from regular controller, to kinetic, to regular.

As much as I like Panzer Dragoon, this is going to disappoint.

 

[zoukka]

So you are saying the DRM train is nothing but the same avenue every other company takes when it comes to 100% digital media? Then why did you frame it in such a negative way to make it seem like nefarious intent from Sony?

Well it is nefarious from consumer point of view, no matter when or why it arrives

How is it not survival horror?

Checkpoints and restarting allow you to do pretty much anything and instantly get away with it. Then again I'm ot sure whether that makes the game something else, but it sure affects the feels.

 

[imtehman]

you must have played a different game then me...

Survival horror:

wikipedia

Omg Wikipedia are you serious right now?

There's no backtracking where you can go back to look for items or keys to move to the next area. Theres not even Maps. there's no puzzles ( Ladders dont count).

granted I've only played up to

Spoiler

just reached Pittsburgh after getting truck

But so far it's a 3rd person shooter moving from one corridor to another with cuts ends after each section.

 

[Raonak]

i agree, but never expected a mainstream games outlet to get this ballsy

 

[imtehman]

It is. And much more than Resident Evil for example.

Much more than resident evil 6 sure but that's not survival horror. That's an 3rd person action game

 

[BigDug13]

Well it is nefarious from consumer point of view, no matter when or why it arrives



Checkpoints and restarting allow you to do pretty much anything and instantly get away with it. Then again I'm ot sure whether that makes the game something else, but it sure affects the feels.

So what games will you play? Only GOG games? Even Nintendo does the same shit with pure digital, but even worse as its still not tied per account.

 

[charsace]

Notsureifserious

Kinect = EyeToy was launched in 2003

SmartGlass = response to Wii U = copy of PSP remote play = copy of Gamecube - GBA connectivity.

See what I did there? Everyone in this industry copy good (or not so good) ideas from each other. Nothing wrong with that.

SmartGlass and kinect are based off of Microsoft idea of having everything in the home being connected. Something they have been working before the first xbox was even a thing.

And this line of thinking is stupid. By your logic motion controls and rumble were copied from MS.

 

[Mifune]

Well it is nefarious from consumer point of view, no matter when or why it arrives

If people stop buying physical media why should they expect companies to keep manufacturing the discs? People still WANT the physical disc. This is why now both consoles won't put any restrictions on the physical disc. If people don't want it anymore it's not nefarious to take it away from them.

 

[Freki]

Omg Wikipedia are you serious right now?

There's no backtracking where you can go back to look for items or keys to move to the next area. Theres not even Maps. there's no puzzles ( Ladders dont count).

granted I've only played up to

Spoiler

just reached Pittsburgh after getting truck

But so far it's a 3rd person shooter moving from one corridor to another with cuts ends after each section.

As you obviously do not agree with wiki's definition would you please give me your definition of survival horror so we can argue on even footing.

edit: on your negative remark about wikipedia as a source - is there scientifc work about this topic I am not aware of?

 

[Alej]

Omg Wikipedia are you serious right now?

There's no backtracking where you can go back to look for items or keys to move to the next area. Theres not even Maps. there's no puzzles ( Ladders dont count).

granted I've only played up to

Spoiler

just reached Pittsburgh after getting truck

But so far it's a 3rd person shooter moving from one corridor to another with cuts ends after each section.

There's backtracking and much more than that (optional areas), keys... ahem ID card and generator something something... I understand myself, lol.

Maps? How would you get lost with maps?

Puzzles...? There's puzzles everywhere. All you are doing is puzzles. And wtf puzzles? Is that your argument for what is missing to make it an authentic survival horror game?

Some areas will freak you out like never before.

As you obviously do not agree with wiki's definition would you please give me your definition of survival horror so we can argue on even footing.

He's obviously trolling us. The Last of Us is one of the best survival horror i've played. It's not like some Uncharted (i love Uncharted).

 

[Massa]

Well it is nefarious from consumer point of view, no matter when or why it arrives

Forcing discs to be nothing more than glorified installers will never arrive. Microsoft was beyond stupid to think that would fly.

 

[zoukka]

So what games will you play? Only GOG games? Even Nintendo does the same shit with pure digital, but even worse as its still not tied per account.

Well I just assume they are rentals and I buy physical when possible. Steam games and iOS games are different as long as they remain significantly cheaper.

If people stop buying physical media why should they expect companies to keep manufacturing the discs? People still WANT the physical disc. This is why now both consoles won't put any restrictions on the physical disc. If people don't want it anymore it's not nefarious to take it away from them.

I get your point, morally you should never take away rights even if people didn't appreciate them making it nefarious.

 

[DBT85]

So, who is buying this tomorrow that typically doesn't buy it?

I've not bought a magazine in print or digital in years so it'll be odd standing in WH Smiths trying to get to the magazine rack past all the arseholes who treat it like a library.

 

[kaching]

Yep it's entirely possible to have a gimped PS4 while supporting the publisher that wants you to pay for the full experience.

Gimped? Believe it or not, not everyone cares that much about online play.

 

[lastflowers]

Forcing discs to be nothing more than glorified installers will never arrive. Microsoft was beyond stupid to think that would fly.

except it has for years on the PC(?)

I do think they should have made the entire digital library concept an opt-in, so that the disc could act as both.

 

[Ricky_R]

It is. And much more than Resident Evil for example.

I'm sure you don't mean Resident Evil 1 & 2, or Code Veronica while we're at it, right?

 

[zoukka]

Gimped? Believe it or not, not everyone cares that much about online play.

I'll rephrase: "gimped to me and for most of the gamer populace".

 

[Celine]

Speaking of Edge covers, the mag was always "bold" with the covers (to sell more copies):

 

[PlanetSmasher]

Checkpoints and restarting allow you to do pretty much anything and instantly get away with it. Then again I'm ot sure whether that makes the game something else, but it sure affects the feels.

I play the game so I restart the encounter every time I die or get spotted. If you do that, the checkpointing is a LOT looser.

Omg Wikipedia are you serious right now?

There's no backtracking where you can go back to look for items or keys to move to the next area. Theres not even Maps. there's no puzzles ( Ladders dont count).

granted I've only played up to

Spoiler

just reached Pittsburgh after getting truck

But so far it's a 3rd person shooter moving from one corridor to another with cuts ends after each section.

There are maps, they just aren't a major focus. A lot of combat sequences as the game progresses are a lot more open than you might expect.

There are lots of ways to do survival horror, and one does not need silly key hunts to be a game in that genre.

 

[Alej]

I'm sure you don't mean Resident Evil 1 & 2, or Code Veronica while we're at it, right?

Recent ones. Not a very good comparison, i guess.
The Last of Us is a survival horror, and is much more than that too.
It's not praising the game though. He doesn't have to be a survival horror game to be good, but it is one. Why not?

(i think we should make another thread to talk about that though, it doesn't seem to be a damn consensus)

 

[kaching]

I'll rephrase: "gimped to me and for most of the gamer populace".

Last I checked, the stats didn't tilt in favor of the majority of console gamers even being online, nevermind playing online.

 

[zoukka]

There are maps, they just aren't a major focus. A lot of combat sequences as the game progresses are a lot more open than you might expect.

There are lots of ways to do survival horror, and one does not need silly key hunts to be a game in that genre.

Well in my opinion the game is still closer to Uncharted than Resident Evil even though it's a lot slower and requires less shooting than UC. We have to remember that Resident Evil, Alone in the Dark and Silent Hill defined survival horror. There's only so far you can stretch that definition.

 

[borghe]

Omg Wikipedia are you serious right now?

There's no backtracking where you can go back to look for items or keys to move to the next area. Theres not even Maps. there's no puzzles ( Ladders dont count).

granted I've only played up to

Spoiler

just reached Pittsburgh after getting truck

But so far it's a 3rd person shooter moving from one corridor to another with cuts ends after each section.

Sorry but the only thing your post proves is that TLoU is not resident evil 1-3. Not being like those games CERTAINLY doesn't disqualify it from a genre. The game is literally about surviving horror. Not sure it can paint any cleaner of a definition of the term.

Well in my opinion the game is still closer to Uncharted than Resident Evil even though it's a lot slower and requires less shooting than UC. We have to remember that Resident Evil, Alone in the Dark and Silent Hill defined survival horror. There's only so far you can stretch that definition.

Umm.. I was there the week AitD came out for the PC from Infogrammes. Same with RE in 96 on the PSX. There is literally nothing TLoU does to put itself OUTSIDE of the genre. It is survival horror pure and simple. Stuff like tank controls and keys are mechanics of specific titles in the genre, not mechanics o the genre itself. It's like saying Sonic 1 isn't a platformer because it doesn't have warp tubes or swimming.

 

[lastflowers]

and really the stuff that MS does bring to the table in their UI compared to sony either gets chalked up to: I can't use it, I am unlikely to use it (or will use it on my tablet), or I really really DON'T want to use it while I would be doing other stuff on the xbone (in which case again I can do it on the tablet)

I get that the UI stuff looks interesting... but are you really going to video skype or surf the web on the TV while watching a movie or playing a game (as opposed to say doing either or both from a tablet in your lap)? If so that's cool.. just doesn't seem very compelling to me.

Yeah, definitely. I do sidequests in RPGs, and many times those are kind of monotonous. Like with FFXIII or Ni No Kuni. I don't need to see the full-force of the graphics in order to enjoy it, and would much rather have a brainless comedy on the side of the television rather than in my lap...where I can't both play the game and watch the show.

Other UI stuff like voice commands, where I'm busy with friends, family, cooking, cleaning, etc etc. It's not revolutionary, but I can see myself using it all the time. Especially with friends over, I'll have my huge music /tv show/movie library hooked in, and my friends can just go 'xbox, play blah' rather than having to learn the UI and grab the controller. I have a lot of friends and family that don't game much, so this will be really nice. I'm not going to use Skype while gaming, but I can see myself using it to call my grandmother--who is finally getting into more of the technology age now that she has an iPhone. I'll put on a football game on sundays and play a less intensive game.

It's not 'revolutionary', but it's a bunch of nice quirks and additions to the console experience that add up to me. Many probably aren't interested, but I am. I've got both consoles on preorder, so it isn't like I'm missing out. Sony's UI/OS/Online chops have severely let me down in the past, and the recent PSStore upgrade and Vita OS don't do much to sway me innately trust their ability to make a nice console OS. Vita OS isn't bad, but their UI is bizarre sometimes and their integration with online is terrible. Absolutely terrible. That's just my opinion, though.

 

[zoukka]

Last I checked, the stats didn't tilt in favor of the majority of console gamers even being online, nevermind playing online.

First google search result claims the ratio is already way over half.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/npd-72-percent-of-us-gamers-play-online-6407855

 

[Uno Venova]

First google search result claims the ratio is already way over half.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/npd-72-...online-6407855

Pretty small sample size, 9,000.