Please don't let this be it. This just puts this whole thread and all the uproar into too sad a light.
Nintendo of America not allowing SSBM to be streamed at EVO [Up: Decision Reversed]
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Please don't let this be it. This just puts this whole thread and all the uproar into too sad a light.
JBtheHunter
Banned
But if that is the reason then it puts Nintendo in a better light.
Isaiah Triforce Johnson, please note the lack of quotes on Triforce, that's his real middle name. Edit: part of his first name
http://nintendolegend.com/2011/10/interview-isaiah-triforce-johnson/
He is big in the retro gaming scene, hold many world records for multiple games (you can probably find his wall of plaques and trophies somewhere), crazy skilled at Tetris and is a massive Nintendo fanboy. He definitely has connections, he's done some promoting for NoA in the past.
Most here probably only know of him for Empire Arcadia and the FGC Illuminati shenanigans.
http://nintendolegend.com/2011/10/interview-isaiah-triforce-johnson/
He is big in the retro gaming scene, hold many world records for multiple games (you can probably find his wall of plaques and trophies somewhere), crazy skilled at Tetris and is a massive Nintendo fanboy. He definitely has connections, he's done some promoting for NoA in the past.
Most here probably only know of him for Empire Arcadia and the FGC Illuminati shenanigans.
Team Ass was best team.
ElectricKaibutsu
Member
So EVO didn't file the paperwork or whatever and now they did so everything's cool?
Dion Blaster
Member
#FuckYeahNintendo
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
When Smash players and fans band together to donate ~$100k to charity to get their game featured in the biggest tournament of the year, amass enough competitor pre-registrations to boost the game to 3rd place in total entrants out of all the games represented, and roughly double the previous record for biggest Smash tournament, all for a decade+ old game, only for Nintendo to butt in at the last minute and piss all over everybody, it's more than understandable that some people would be upset about it.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Impossible. Haters gonna hate
I'm actually playing through this again right now. Sums up exactly how I feel. Great job on Nintendos part for listening and reacting so quickly. Man the power of gamers... first xbone reversal, now nintendo.
Think about what else we could get done if we collectively acted on a regular basis --- not buying shovel ware, not putting up with other practices we don't like, ect.
Oh no prog is aware of the reversal already (right when it happened, in fact) and he was absolutely elated and everything else you'd expect from that man.
Except that the blame wouldn't be on Nintendo, it would be on EVO for not filing the necessary paperwork and notifying Nintendo in the first place.
Dion Blaster
Member
Great job on Nintendos part for listening and reacting so quickly. Man the power of gamers... first xbone reversal, now nintendo.
Think about what else we could get done if we collectively acted on a regular basis --- not buying shovel ware, not putting up with other practices we don't like, ect.
I think it's a lot harder not to buy something, especially since we're probably not the ones buying it in the first place (in shovelware's case).
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I'd be kind of surprised if there was any "paperwork" required for any of the other games.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
Errr people don't actually think that Triforce really did anything, do they? I mean I'm sure he called a janitor he knows or something but I kinda figure Nintendo relented because the combined hatred of the entire internet was burning a hole through them for a few hours today.
I do think the idea that Triforce is this hero who pulled some epic shit is legitimately is funny though.
If that's all it was then Evo wouldn't have went public with it. Just...do the damn paperwork? There would be no need for this shit.
Then again, every time I give Evo the benefit of the doubt with something I end up getting burned, so who fucking knows.
MikeBreezy92
Member
Based on the stream he was just on, Triforce may have had more pull than you think, granted he wasn't the sole reason Smash was streamed as even he admitted. He's pretty much the face at this point either way.
Orpheus Telos
Member
Glad to see that Nintendo reversed the decision, but it's really silly this all happened in the first place. Still, all's well that ends well.
JBtheHunter
Banned
The other games have been at EVO already. Melee is a newcomer from a giant of a publisher in Nintendo.
MikeBreezy92
Member
Melee and Brawl have been at evo before too
Triforce is a JOKE in the Tetris community. Total fraud.
freenudemacusers
Member
"God's Beard!"
Member
I love P4A, but I'm not gonna watch a top 8 of that shit. It's fun to play, but I can't stand watching it.
Lol what did Triforce do there?
if it was a cold and deeply calculated business move, this probably would've taken a bit longer than a few hours for them to settle. it was obviously a mistake, oversight, or a misunderstanding on someones part. someone obviously panicked and got this issue solved real fast. the internet is a weird beast nowadays because of how fast things can scale up into being a big deal. you need response times within minutes to prevent stuff like this from happening, i think most companies still aren't prepared for that.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
First, not all the games are repeats. (Melee itself actually is a repeat.) Second, you missed the point entirely. There isn't any paperwork. Most of the time, anyway. Tournaments just run and stream games without asking anybody for permission, and the publishers let them do it because they either don't know or just figure that it's a net positive in the grand scheme of things. UltraDavid (lawyer / fighting game commentator) has gone over this before: Video game streaming is a fragile business/entertainment model that's basically built entirely around copyright infringement, and these independent streaming groups and individuals get away with it only by the grace of the copyright holders. The publishers could swoop in at any moment and put a stop to most of it if they wanted to (as Nintendo was going to do today).
I mean, I could be wrong, but if I was a betting man, I'd bet that EVO didn't square this away in advance because they've never had to do it for any other game that they've run. I know most other tournaments don't.
Don't worry, I'll think of something.
I look forward to it.
Gentleman Jack
Member
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";69290501]I love P4A, but I'm not gonna watch a top 8 of that shit. It's fun to play, but I can't stand watching it.[/QUOTE]
Funny I feel that way about Top 64 of a Smash tournament.
Funny I feel that way about Top 64 of a Smash tournament.
EVO doesn't go to the gaming publishers for the games they're streaming? i remember going to their website and it looked like most of the game publishers they're working with are sponsoring the event. that doesn't make any sense at all. there is obviously some form of communication there.
JBtheHunter
Banned
Okay, good point. I still believe it was a misunderstanding though. What studio would do something like that right before the event? Things like that don't usually happen unless there are legal issues to fix.
Hopefully there is an official statement from either Nintendo or EVO to clear things up.
ipitydatfu
Member
if you youtube the people he wins against, theyre really bad at tetris
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
There's "communication," yes. But I think it's reasonable to assume that they've never had to explicitly ask for permission to do what they do. If Capcom is sponsoring your fighting game tournament, then it kind of goes without saying that they're cool with you streaming Street Fighter, right?
But I'd bet that they probably never had to because Capcom and the other publishers probably have a contract worked out already specifically for big tournaments like Evo. They don't have that time of relationship with Nintendo as Melee hasn't been in the limelight for several years. Considering all the sneak peaks and tournaments for unreleased games that show up at Evo almost every year, there are definitely publisher relations involved.
Exactly. Permission is already granted in the case of sponsors. But Nintendo isn't sponsoring the event, so there's an alternative set of paperwork that has to be done. The FGC has done it's best to expand in the internet space in the last several years, so it makes sense to assume that there would be paperwork involved to put Melee back in the front and center again. I can't get mad at Nintendo in this case.
Here's colourthief, one of the first--if not the first--western players to achieve GM rank in TGM2 T.A. Death mode, putting him on blast:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYESF4EGHGc
His claim to fame are his score records in Tetris DS, a game with infinite spin so you can literally take all the time you want with any given piece no matter what level it is. It's pretty much an achievement of endurance.
Other Tetris feats rank far higher like Thor's Level 30 Maxout of NES Tetris or Jin8 getting GM rank on TGM3 Master mode (take note that in TGM3, unlike the previous two TGM games, GM rank cannot be achieved with one game's performance alone. You must perform at the highest level consistently before given the chance to get it).
Dr.Thunder
Member
I have friends who learned about EVO for the first time ever so it hasn't been a total bust.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I think you're assuming that fighting game tournaments operate more formally than they actually do.
yea, i can see what you mean now. you got a point. that could be how they were operating, all unspoken and under the table. no permission needed. nintendo looks like they made a huge jump up recently in online policy. i wouldn't be surprised if they worked out a system internally for handling stuff like this and maybe EVO just didn't know. regardless, the fault for that would inevitably fall on EVO. this isn't '03 anymore. hosting a popular stream is more similar to hosting a TV channel nowadays, they should be prepared to secure legal responsibility by themselves, expecting nintendo to come to them is weird.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I still kind of disagree. APEX (traditionally the biggest Smash major) hasn't been shot down with a C&D yet, after all. There's not really a precedent for this specific issue.
You could definitely make the case that EVO probably should have covered their bases immediately after Nintendo started clamping down on various uses of their IP on Youtube earlier this year, though.
And in either case, it's still a dick move (and a good thing that Nintendo realized as much in the end and changed course).
ElectricKaibutsu
Member
Uh, of course they deserve gratitude, as does every other publisher who is allowing EVO to use their IPs for free. If every company charged EVO money or said no then there would be no EVO.
Chie Satonaka
Member
Nabs
Member
lol customer service
loool
We don't know the exact reasons, unfortunately. =\
Triforce described it on OBS just now, or at least their mentality.
He also just read out the summary Nintendo asked him to write to them and the process of it all.
MarkMan
loves Arcade Sticks
There's nothing for them to push this year. It's okay. They will support the community still. Unfortunately just not this year. Namco and Capcom had booths last year. This year neither of them do. It's a slow year for their fighting franchises (sales/marketing wise).
BUT MAD CATZ HAS A HUGE BOOTH THIS YEAR YO. <3