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[FyreWulff]

You think those dozens of people commentating and running brackets do it as a day job? Or that they all even get paid for it, period?

It isn't even a full-time thing for the people in charge. Tony Cannon is a software developer at some other company.

Most events like this do. Even PAX makes heavy use of volunteers via the Enforce program, and their tournaments are also entirely volunteer run.

I know how much they put into it. But I also step back and realize that neither side is really setting out to fuck over the players, it's businesses disagreeing with each other. I'm not getting swept up in the conspiracy theories by Nintendo fans that they were trying to pretend Melee didn't exist, nor by FGC followers thinking Nintendo wanted SRK to die in a fire.

The two companies already resolved the dispute. Both provided their side of the story. The attempt to keep the drama going after both sides got what they wanted is what I'm trying to figure, here.

 

[Hitokage]

I meant in the general sense of a company or business unit. This isn't a fan smote down by lawyers. You'll have to excuse me here as I've been employed by Canadians for so long at this point and they don't really have the concept of the LLC

This forum is owned by an LLC, even though only one person is actually involved and it grew organically beforehand. It's a small-scale legal device, not the large-scale image you were hoping for.

And your qualifications are? I've played in various tournaments for various genres, from ones run inside a community college to local MLG tournaments and other various homegrown and more professional outings. In all cases, the tournament didn't apparate out of thin air, and whenever money was involved, a business entity was involved for liability and trust reasons. I somehow doubt EVO happens because the love of the community wills it into existence (someone has to call the shots or it'll turn into a clusterfuck, fast), and I continue to find it amusing and insulting that you feel free to assume my level of involvement with the pro gaming community and pro gaming business entities.

Then your experience is clearly not applicable in this situation or has biased your perception for you to still make dubious statements.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

The attempt to keep the drama going after both sides got what they wanted is what I'm trying to figure, here.

It's worth highlighting how damaging Nintendo's policies can be in general, and pushing back in ways that people can. People saying things like "it's Nintendo's call to do what they can with their IP" or "what's the big deal now that everything got straightened out?" aren't taking a long view at things. This puts a pretty big question mark on what happens in the future, specifically what Smash-centric events have to consider from here on out. Rather than insisting that people stop beating up on poor little Nintendo about this, anyone who is involved with or values competitive Smash ought to be aggressively working to figure out how to straighten things out in the future.

Plus, comments like this:

Let us remember that this is a dispute between two companies, not a company and it's own fans.

A corporation oversees the event. The fans could have made a Melee event on their own, but decided to stump for a existing corporation's event instead.

really do show a lot of ignorance on your part. There isn't nearly as big of a distinction between "the EVO corporation" and "a bunch of fans" as you appear to believe there is.

 

[kick51]

Authoritative Shark is not as authoritative as you might think

 

[FyreWulff]

This forum is owned by an LLC, even though only one person is actually involved. It's a small-scale legal device, not the large-scale image you were hoping for.

I'll be sure to just PM you my username and password. Then you can make all my posts for me, since you feel you know what I'm "going for".

What I was 'hoping for' was depersonalizing an already impersonal dispute and bring it back down to third party rational viewpoint, for the record, instead of dramatic kneejerk reactions early on. Call me jaded, but I can't see how people get worked up over something that amounted to someone forgetting to dot their is and the other side thinking the first one meant to cross their Ts. The scale is irrelevant.

Authoritative Shark is not as authoritative as you might think

Name refers to the face presented by the shark's moustache and not the content the shark posts. I'm wrong about a lot of shit.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

What if... it wasn't? 'cause it wasn't.

Maybe Nintendo doesn't like breasts. Have you stopped to consider that?

 

[call_kotaku]

I'll be sure to just PM you my username and password. Then you can make all my posts for me, since you feel you know what I'm "going for".

What I was 'hoping for' was depersonalizing an already impersonal dispute and bring it back down to third party rational viewpoint, for the record, instead of dramatic kneejerk reactions early on. Call me jaded, but I can't see how people get worked up over something that amounted to someone forgetting to dot their is and the other side thinking the first one meant to cross their Ts. The scale is irrelevant.

What happened is that Nintendo tried to shut down a effort from their own fans, and basically cast a pall over every smash brothers event from this point forward (even with the reversal), when there's already been hesitancy to run smash to begin with and brawl did massive damage to their community. They're within their legal rights to shut down let's plays and any stream with their IPs on it, and even if they're not, nobody involved is in a position to battle it in court with them. The question is why they insist on doing so, when it isn't defending their brand and has been a PR disaster every time.

 

[FyreWulff]

What happened is that Nintendo tried to shut down a effort from their own fans, and basically cast a pall over every smash brothers event from this point forward (even with the reversal), when there's already been hesitancy to run smash to begin with and brawl did massive damage to their community. They're within their legal rights to shut down let's plays and any stream with their IPs on it, and even if they're not, nobody involved is in a position to battle it in court with them. The question is why they insist on doing so, when it isn't defending their brand and has been a PR disaster every time.

I'd say MLG has done more harm to the competitive Smash community by gobbling up Smashboards and then proceeding to bury it as much as possible afterwards. Nintendo's bad move in this case is and was more easily fixed.

 

[call_kotaku]

I'd say MLG has done more harm to the competitive Smash community by gobbling up Smashboards and then proceeding to bury it as much as possible afterwards. Nintendo's bad move in this case is and was more easily fixed.

I'd wager a guess that demonstrating your company's legal department has a "shoot first and ask questions later" policy towards sending C&D orders to tournaments will do more long term damage to your community than burying a forum.

If you basically need a massive twitter outcry and a front-page kotaku article in order for the nintendo cops to not shut your event down, or even be open to negotiating a contract, then there isn't a bright future for Smash tournaments.

 

[Jintor]

It's chilling effect. It's that simple.

 

[Mpl90]

What the heck, legal department wanted to shut down the entire Smash porting of the tournament? WHY?!?

Fortunately, they fixed this as soon as possible, but many lessons to be learned

1)EVO must inform better them
2)Nintendo, you must have a better communication with your l.d. Things like this cannot happen
3)Again, we make them hear our voices, and we won. Thanks to social, we have power now. I hope people here will use it in the right way, thinking about it XD

 

[Fox318]

Nintendo needs to understand their fans better.

Please understand Nintendo

 

[RedSwirl]

Posted yet?

hhttp://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013...shut-down-any-smash-bros-tournament-it-wants/

 

[Dead Man]

Posted yet?

hhttp://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013...shut-down-any-smash-bros-tournament-it-wants/

Well that makes the whole copyright system look even more broken.