And the Wii Fit Trainer.
If they want a character in, they will give them a moveset. Captain Falcon is the quintessential example.
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And the Wii Fit Trainer.
If they want a character in, they will give them a moveset. Captain Falcon is the quintessential example.
Megalosaro
Banned
Charizard isn't that big though. Only about 5'7'' according to its pokedex data. That's human height.
Ridley, first game aside, has always been portrayed as like 3x bigger than Samus
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Sakurai will nerf Meta Knight by turning him into Galacta Knight.
Which means he'll be 3x as strong and twice as fast.
:I
Which means he'll be 3x as strong and twice as fast.
:I
Infinite jumps, glide, shield, no helpless states.
Well as a character you perform many actions with him. There's quite a lot of inspiration for moves.
However throughout Ridley's many incarnations he has basically just flown, grabbed things and
And yes I know someone will bring up Captain Falcon but he is clearly a massive exception. I wouldn't be surprised if most of his moves were from the game Smash Bros started life as.
Looks like a lot of potential moves to me
I don't get why people say if a character isn't a fighter they won't be in Smash. Ridley was in Brawl, just not as a fighter. Smash has many ways to represent characters and games and some are better suited for other jobs.
There are a lot of characters like that, Zelda barely did much and both her forms got a lot of new moves for Smash. Then you have Ice Climbers, ROB, Starfox characters, and a bunch of other characters that have different movesets than you would expect. (Ness using different PK moves for one)
Ridley would be fun with grab moves like Ganondorf's up-B and side-B, but taken to another level. A lot of tail, wing and fire moves too. It doesn't sound exciting on paper but they could do a lot with it.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
So what's going to happen to Giga Bowser?
Hopefully he's a boss again.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Bowser will need a FS replacement I would think.
Senator Soufflé
Member
Gillian Seed
Banned
Is Wind Waker Link in?
Never said it couldn't be done, just silly to bring up Animal Crossing villager as an example of a character without many moves to begin with. Zelda is a much better example, or even Bowser since they are both bosses whose moves have stayed similar throughout their game appearances.
I have the list of characters right here but I'd be sued into oblivion if I answered this question.
PorygonVandal
Member
If the WW remake is released and we don't see him revealed... then maybe it's not lol
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Technically that is Spirit Tracks Link.
Wish granted.
That's not WW Link!!! It's his descendant.
Chie plz
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
But Wind Waker Link is referred as Toon Link and just look at the image URL.
:/
Sounds like a PERSONAl problem.
Mwa....ha.....ha....
Buff everyone else till they're on Meta Knight's level.
It'd be much more fun that way. Let's be honest.
RomanceDawn
Member
I think he can even be bigger than that and function well.
Move set is no issue at all considering Sakurai saw fit to give him many attacks from Dyna Blade. Then you have so many Metroids to pull moves from, they are very Bowser like but so what?
My issue with the size issue is how extremely small characters can grow and just be accepted while bigger ones getting smaller are looked at as some abomination. Was there no one else who thought Olimar looked extremely unnatural fighting with the rest of the cast? I never looked at Kirby the same way again once I realized how tiny he and his crew actually were and every time I look at Squirtle hugging Pokemon Trainer I just think "holy crap Squirtle is huge" but I don't really care cause its Smash. Just a bunch of toys and figures fighting.
Just because X character is portrayed with X size doesn't mean it can't be resized.
Bowser, Olimar, Pikachu, etc are the best examples. My point is that Charizard is a good way to meassure a "possible" Ridley appearance. Make him bigger (enough to respect the Metroid canon) and call it a day.
I don't see Ridley making his way to Smash as a playable character so I won't argue the same over and over again.
We'll see tho. Wii Fit Trainer and Villager are proof that anything can happen.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Earthbound characters have big heads. They should be prone to gravity. Which is why size doesn't matter much. Because honestly who cares?
I just think people for some reason don't want to play as a Space Dragon. Which is incredibly asinine. To me.
I just think people for some reason don't want to play as a Space Dragon. Which is incredibly asinine. To me.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Wish granted.
Mature link looks so badass there.
Sometimes I wonder if the 3DS version looks better.
It's more striking but that's what artstyle will do for you.
Fucking Sakurai making us(or some) buy both versions.
Technically it is Toon Link because it covers the art style used in other games like the Minish Cap and Four Swords. Hence the alt colour choices as well. So no it isn't Wind Waker Link.
Only important URL is that of the original image on the Smash Bros website and that calls the image "screen-10.jpg"
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Touche. Worthy Adversary.
Depends on the game for me. Like I said, he looks like ass in Other M. Not a huge fan of some of the meta-Ridley variations either.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I don't even know how that neck of his is supposed to get anything into his stomach honestly.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
It's shocking to still see people mention Ridley's size as a reason to why he's not in Smash. Do these same people realize that Kirby is only 6 inches tall and Bowser is gigantic in most of the Mario games?
Ridley can absolutely work in a Smash game B]
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
If Ridley was a girl they probably wouldn't put up much of a fight against his inclusion.
Maybe
That's never been the issue people have had with the size of the smashers; they're from different franchises. The argument has always been about his size relative to Samus
Orbis Tabula
Member
I would absolutely love to have Ridley, even despite what I see as valid concerns about his size.
I don't play enough Metroid games to know, so I'm curious. Does he often talk? Or is it more just weird dragon screeches?
I don't play enough Metroid games to know, so I'm curious. Does he often talk? Or is it more just weird dragon screeches?
Shadow Hog
Member
To be fair, all the back-and-forth in every "I want this character!" "No! He wouldn't work because reasons!" "But he would because other reasons!" "But my reasons are better than your reasons!" "Nuh-uh!" "Yuh-huh!" discussion is asinine altogether.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
PorygonVandal
Member
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
He never talks in any of the games. He does talk in an official prequel comic, but that's it.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Too bad he never answers anything
Ain't that the truth.
Shadow Hog
Member
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
I also mentioned Mario vs Bowser in my post:
Just about every Mario game, Bowser is HUGE compared to Mario.
Cuban Legend
Member
HYPE x100,000
The sizes of the Pokémon in Smash Bros. are all off. Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Squirtle, and Lucario (yes, Lucario is actually pretty short) are bigger then they should be in Brawl. Ivysaur and Charizard are about right (actually, Charizard may even be a bit smaller than it should be).
Shadow Hog
Member
I really like that there's some variety in the characters used at EVO. It's not just a Star Fox fest; Wobbles is Ice Climbers, Ice is Pikachu, Hungrybox is Jigglypuff and Armada is Peach, and they're all frighteningly good with them. (I think there's a Captain Falcon in there, too, but I forget who.)
HYPE x100,000
HYPE x100,000
My internet messed up for the stream today. =(
I am super hyped to see the finals, though!
Melee has a diverse metagame which is nice. I recall playing Peach back in the day (when I was very young), and my friends at the time would like, get insulted when they lost to Peach because the whole losing to a female and to a female character nonsense.
Finding out a few years ago she's high tier was kind of shocking for me, and made a lot sense. Haha.
Jorok Goldblade
Member
Metroid deserves more representation than just Samus and Samus in her Underwear.
Its either Ridley or Dark Samus
The internet believes that Nintendo's Japanese office doesn't acknowledge the existence of Retro Studios.
seriously though, Ridley and Mother Brain are the key villains of one of Nintendo's most cherished franchises, and Mother Brain would be a terible fighter.
A little off topic and thinking out of the box as well as quite unlikely, but do you think that the 2-3 second clips of Link, Samus, Kirby, etc. introducing the characters and series they are from contain glimpses of the future of those series - I'm probably way off and they are just promotional work or apart of one of the cutscenes in Adventure Mode?
But maybe it could have taken a few design ideas from the teams working on the real games...
For example, the structure of Hyrule and Design of the castle in this picture from the very short Zelda clip - is the design like this in any 3D Zelda games of the past:
And in the Metroid picture - what type of location would this be in in the Metroid universe, it looks like a futuristic brightly colored industrial building:
But maybe it could have taken a few design ideas from the teams working on the real games...
For example, the structure of Hyrule and Design of the castle in this picture from the very short Zelda clip - is the design like this in any 3D Zelda games of the past:
And in the Metroid picture - what type of location would this be in in the Metroid universe, it looks like a futuristic brightly colored industrial building:
Are we back on Ridley again -_-
Still sticking by my earlier post on this topic
Why all that effort retooling a character who's already bigger than Samus who herself is one of the tallest characters in the game (Her head nearly touches the bottom of the platforms in Battlefield -_-) when the other hunters are all just sitting there with viable movesets....
Rundas
Gandraya
Sylux
Ghor
Weavel
Trace
Noxus
7 perfectly viable characters that you don't have to worry about height issues as much as Ridley or possibly being a beefed up clone Ganon style (Dark Samus). Im not buying that too obscure to use idea either.
Fire Emblem
Earthbound
Kid Icarus
All 3 of those series were not exactly household names when they received characters, granted those are entire series vs individual characters in a series but point stands being obscure should not be a reason to not include characters that are much better suited for SSB rather than shoehorning one that clearly isn't and has already been established as a Boss character in a previous game.
Also Bowser vs Mario is different to this, Mario's height compared to Samus is what allows Bowser to work. Bowser can still be clearly taller than Mario without being overly huge. Ridley's height is already handicapped by how tall Samus already is in.