This movie would work so much better as a sequel. I'd rather them try to make a give it a try and make this into a lore instead of a sequence of fighting scenes. What a shame.
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This movie would work so much better as a sequel. I'd rather them try to make a give it a try and make this into a lore instead of a sequence of fighting scenes. What a shame.
No, they were after the scientist because he gained some key information through the drift process. They wanted to kill him before he could delve further.
Uhh, the giant wall was an (unproven) alternative to the Jaeger program. When Gipsy danger fell and it consequently took a hit on the viability of Jaegers as a defense strategy. It was supposed to be a dumb idea that wouldnt work. (so we could get the movie's focus back on Jaegers)
Maybe you didnt see the Kaiju's tear apart the Jaeger pilots earlier. Sitting in a non-fucntional Jaeger is like sitting duck, might as well cause some damage (however little it maybe) while going out ..
You have a lot of silly complaints which were well explained in the movie. Maybe a second viewing for you is in order.
To be honest, I don't know how this movie even got made. Original big budget film about giant robots after Transformers seems like a gamble.
I agree completely, that's why I bought the prequel graphic novel. There is so much in this universe to explore. I hope GDT gets another chance to make a movie in it.
I'm pretty satisfied with the set up of this movie.
Though, if it gets enough money to warrant another movie then why not a PREQUEL movie to this?
Sort of a Duolgy but not in chronological order. The prequel starts with the final battles of the Mark-1 Jaegers (besides Alpha) such as the Coyote Tango and Tacit Ronin fighting together. Then show the rise and fall of the Mark-2s and Mark-3s.
So pretty much a movie covering the lore and legends before this film, concentrating on the Jaeger-Kaiju arms race (so still not a true origin story)...leading to the defeat of Gipsy Danger as we saw in this movies intro.
Though, if it gets enough money to warrant another movie then why not a PREQUEL movie to this?
Sort of a Duolgy but not in chronological order. The prequel starts with the final battles of the Mark-1 Jaegers (besides Alpha) such as the Coyote Tango and Tacit Ronin fighting together. Then show the rise and fall of the Mark-2s and Mark-3s.
So pretty much a movie covering the lore and legends before this film, concentrating on the Jaeger-Kaiju arms race (so still not a true origin story)...leading to the defeat of Gipsy Danger as we saw in this movies intro.
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I thought it was simply because they were the first double event of two cat4s. I can't imagine any jaeger pilots having any experience in fighting multiple kaiju at the same time.
The two-way drift scientist thing only sees consequences at the end when they were trying to close the rift. The double event was already predicted by the other scientist.
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yeah i don't really see something like this happening, because ppl have already seen giant mechs battle monsters. they'll want something more, greater.
Mattdaddy
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I really liked the design and presentation of the cockpits. Pretty slick, very cool looking. There was one part in crimson typhoons brief existence when it's doing its blade dance and there's a quick shot of all three pilots doing their thing in unison, it was so badass. Breaks my heart. Seeing this on IMAX, the movie was such an awesome spectacle. I was just in awe, even the second time I saw it. For me, it just had the intangibles. I wanted to jump out my chair with fist pumps and yell "Wooooooo!" like Ric Flair. Not many movies can do that.
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Man the storyline and acting in this movie was so fucking weak. Should have just been nonstop fighting.
so pilot inexperience
also kind of telling that they were outmatched when crimson typhoon's signature thunderball dunk slam did nothing to the cat4
No, they were after the scientist because he gained some key information through the drift process. They wanted to kill him before he could delve further.
Uhh, the giant wall was an (unproven) alternative to the Jaeger program. When Gipsy danger fell and it consequently took a hit on the viability of Jaegers as a defense strategy. It was supposed to be a dumb idea that wouldnt work. (so we could get the movie's focus back on Jaegers)
Maybe you didnt see the Kaiju's tear apart the Jaeger pilots earlier. Sitting in a non-fucntional Jaeger is like sitting duck, might as well cause some damage (however little it maybe) while going out ..
You have a lot of silly complaints which were well explained in the movie. Maybe a second viewing for you is in order.
i was going to see it again anyway, seems like the more minor details went by too fast for me or i wasnt quick enough to connect the dots on somethings. makes me feel kinda stupid, but oh well.
the sword thing though, they could have used the sword way earlier in the film.
yes, this would have been fucking horrible. i HATE movies that end on cliffhangers or sequel bait and then we never get a sequel.
I bet the politicans where fans of attack on titan
Doesn't really work there either though
I finished watching it on IMAX3D.
Overall I really enjoyed it, and I love all the homages del Toro and company did with it.
My thoughts:
- Movie is basically Daimos the movie, Gipsy Danger is basically Daimos, from the fighting style to Freezer Storm to Fireblizzard and its simplistic/goofy design which harkens back to 70s Super Robots.
- Crimson Typhoon was pretty cool, it was a Eva-02 with three arms and Chinese basketball players replacing Asuka.
- My friend and I discussed it, and the closest Cherno Alpha is to traditional robot anime design is one of Dr. Hell's Kikaiju, tho I'll probably think this one over later on. EDIT: Nah, thinking about it, Cherno is very Nagano-esque, that is something out of L-Gaim/FSS.
- I was literally in tears of childhood joy when Gipsy Danger was fighting the Kaiju in Hong Kong as this movie was basically Daimos live action, <3 <3 <3 Daimos.
- Speaking of Hong Kong, I like how it was in HK since that was basically G Gundam's Lantau Island battle. LOL
- The dual pilot design of the Jaegers is like Godannar. EDIT: The countries thing was also done in Godannar and G Gundam.
EDIT: Gipsy's fist pump was like Dendoh's! I joked with my friend that maybe Idris and them should have shot new batteries to Striker like in Dendoh. LOL
- I like how Striker Eureka was very Katoki Gundam-esque with its Industrial Design.
- del Toro did it right by making the movie focus on Giant Robots fighting Monsters and not boring human melodrama like Bayformers.
- The acting was serviceable as the real stars of the show were the Jaegers and Kaiju.
- Brawler Yukon does make an appearance as the opening shows its head when mentioning the mind meld between the two pilots.
- I loved the Russian opera esque music playing when Cherno and Crimson were fighting, dat Communist strength.
- Gipsy Danger's detonation reminded me of Zeorymer, you can just swap the Zeorymer OST into Pacific Rim. lol
EDIT: The Aliens who make the Kaiju reminded me of Sentai monster villains or 70s Super Robot anime villains.
- Also same with Musashi's Getter 1 sacrifice in multiple renditions of Getter Robo or Noriko's detonation in Aim for the Top!
- If there is a sequel to the movie, you can bet your ass that Japanese mechanical designers will come out of the woodwork to offer their services (Katoki, Kawamori, Nagai, Nagano, Izabuchi, etc.).
- Also this shows that 70s Robots >>>>>>> everybody else.
I wish for a sequel, and I'll be there day 1 for the 3D Blu-ray.
Watching Whedon's Much Ado About Nothing yesterday and this today back to back was certainly an interesting experience to say the least!
=)
Overall I really enjoyed it, and I love all the homages del Toro and company did with it.
My thoughts:
- Movie is basically Daimos the movie, Gipsy Danger is basically Daimos, from the fighting style to Freezer Storm to Fireblizzard and its simplistic/goofy design which harkens back to 70s Super Robots.
- Crimson Typhoon was pretty cool, it was a Eva-02 with three arms and Chinese basketball players replacing Asuka.
- My friend and I discussed it, and the closest Cherno Alpha is to traditional robot anime design is one of Dr. Hell's Kikaiju, tho I'll probably think this one over later on. EDIT: Nah, thinking about it, Cherno is very Nagano-esque, that is something out of L-Gaim/FSS.
- I was literally in tears of childhood joy when Gipsy Danger was fighting the Kaiju in Hong Kong as this movie was basically Daimos live action, <3 <3 <3 Daimos.
- Speaking of Hong Kong, I like how it was in HK since that was basically G Gundam's Lantau Island battle. LOL
- The dual pilot design of the Jaegers is like Godannar. EDIT: The countries thing was also done in Godannar and G Gundam.
EDIT: Gipsy's fist pump was like Dendoh's! I joked with my friend that maybe Idris and them should have shot new batteries to Striker like in Dendoh. LOL
- I like how Striker Eureka was very Katoki Gundam-esque with its Industrial Design.
- del Toro did it right by making the movie focus on Giant Robots fighting Monsters and not boring human melodrama like Bayformers.
- The acting was serviceable as the real stars of the show were the Jaegers and Kaiju.
- Brawler Yukon does make an appearance as the opening shows its head when mentioning the mind meld between the two pilots.
- I loved the Russian opera esque music playing when Cherno and Crimson were fighting, dat Communist strength.
- Gipsy Danger's detonation reminded me of Zeorymer, you can just swap the Zeorymer OST into Pacific Rim. lol
EDIT: The Aliens who make the Kaiju reminded me of Sentai monster villains or 70s Super Robot anime villains.
- Also same with Musashi's Getter 1 sacrifice in multiple renditions of Getter Robo or Noriko's detonation in Aim for the Top!
- If there is a sequel to the movie, you can bet your ass that Japanese mechanical designers will come out of the woodwork to offer their services (Katoki, Kawamori, Nagai, Nagano, Izabuchi, etc.).
- Also this shows that 70s Robots >>>>>>> everybody else.
I wish for a sequel, and I'll be there day 1 for the 3D Blu-ray.
Watching Whedon's Much Ado About Nothing yesterday and this today back to back was certainly an interesting experience to say the least!
=)
I enjoyed it, mostly. The lore was interesting, the visual design was great, and the bits of humor throughout were a nice tough. Still, it felt the same as any summer blockbuster...very formulaic, predictable, and a bit boring. Some things were downright silly...why use a boat as a weapon when you have a god damned sword? Why was the plasma cannon never reused? So many aspects of the Jaegir was there just for show, and it was obvious.
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maybe they didn't have the time/resources to restock it before they pushed for the breach
idunno man how do jaegers work
i feel like there's some unwritten rule that jaeger pilots should refrain from cutting weapons to minimize kaiju blue exposure to the surroundings, so using the ship as a blunt weapon might make sense but then at some points they don't seem to care (unloading the plasma cannon into leatherbacks side, flingting otachi's kaiju blue sac out into the ocean or something)
Just saw it. I enjoyed it, but it wasn't as awesome as I expected. It felt like they squeezed a lot of stuff into one movie, and a lot of the mythos got lost in the process
Kind of disappointed that they went with aliens, because it was implied that it wasn't aliens in the beginning.
Kind of disappointed that they went with aliens, because it was implied that it wasn't aliens in the beginning.
Saw it tonight, in 2D.
It was okay. More weirdly plotted than I expected, with a number of threads not really coming together, at least not on first watch.
I liked the decision to feature only a couple of extended battles, rather than a larger number of short ones. I was surprised there were really only three, those being the one in the intro, then the extended battle with two kaiju at the mid point, and then the ending. The pacing was better for it.
Performances were pretty solid across the board, the cast did a lot with some often very weak dialogue. I think they could have attracted a wider audience by putting more emphasis on the female lead in the marketing, I had no idea she was more than a minor role. Certainly my daughters would have been more interested (both refused to see it).
A lot of plot stuff didn't make sense to me. If the kaiju are doing an invasion, and sending creatures to "wipe out the vermin", why send the smallest creatures first, months apart? Wouldn't you send in several heavy hitters right out the gate? Spacing them out just gives the enemy time to prepare...which we did. The whole premise stopped making any sense once the gradually increasing size and frequency cadence was revealed.
Radios work across a dimensional portal?
They couldn't send a nuke through the portal because everything gets "scanned" like a bar code and bounced back out. So...how did the escape pods get through? They were released from the other side.
Why would they send a pregnant kaiju? How would the baby have useful memories from in the womb?
The wacky scientist pair didn't work for me, really cringe-worthy stuff. How did the kaiju know where he was after the mind meld thing? And why did they seek him out? To what end? Very odd plot path to go down. Took up a lot of time and concluded with a dead end.
Elba might as well have donned a red uniform and called himself an ensign, his demise in the ending battle was so thoroughly telegraphed.
I wish there was a daytime fight.
The action was good if shot too close at times, and the ending too predictable (a category five at the end?! Who would have thought.). Still, I had decent fun with it. Great visual design across the board, the soundtrack was good (I really dug the chugging central theme) and the fights had a great sense of heft to them. But I feel like the movie got in its own way too many times to really come together into something great.
Theater was 1/3 full. No applause at any point.
Yup. Their relationship was really unforced through the entire film, and the movie ended on the right note.
It was okay. More weirdly plotted than I expected, with a number of threads not really coming together, at least not on first watch.
I liked the decision to feature only a couple of extended battles, rather than a larger number of short ones. I was surprised there were really only three, those being the one in the intro, then the extended battle with two kaiju at the mid point, and then the ending. The pacing was better for it.
Performances were pretty solid across the board, the cast did a lot with some often very weak dialogue. I think they could have attracted a wider audience by putting more emphasis on the female lead in the marketing, I had no idea she was more than a minor role. Certainly my daughters would have been more interested (both refused to see it).
A lot of plot stuff didn't make sense to me. If the kaiju are doing an invasion, and sending creatures to "wipe out the vermin", why send the smallest creatures first, months apart? Wouldn't you send in several heavy hitters right out the gate? Spacing them out just gives the enemy time to prepare...which we did. The whole premise stopped making any sense once the gradually increasing size and frequency cadence was revealed.
Radios work across a dimensional portal?
They couldn't send a nuke through the portal because everything gets "scanned" like a bar code and bounced back out. So...how did the escape pods get through? They were released from the other side.
Why would they send a pregnant kaiju? How would the baby have useful memories from in the womb?
The wacky scientist pair didn't work for me, really cringe-worthy stuff. How did the kaiju know where he was after the mind meld thing? And why did they seek him out? To what end? Very odd plot path to go down. Took up a lot of time and concluded with a dead end.
Elba might as well have donned a red uniform and called himself an ensign, his demise in the ending battle was so thoroughly telegraphed.
I wish there was a daytime fight.
The action was good if shot too close at times, and the ending too predictable (a category five at the end?! Who would have thought.). Still, I had decent fun with it. Great visual design across the board, the soundtrack was good (I really dug the chugging central theme) and the fights had a great sense of heft to them. But I feel like the movie got in its own way too many times to really come together into something great.
Theater was 1/3 full. No applause at any point.
Yup. Their relationship was really unforced through the entire film, and the movie ended on the right note.
Mattdaddy
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I remember after the matrix released, at some point there was a DVD (i think? maybe online) that came out and had 5 or 6 little independent short stories set in the universe, with some pretty impressive animation. Something like that would be so cool for this. There are just so many stories to tell.
Yup. I even want to do a fan film in that vein.
The smaller creatures were to scout until the planet was "ready." Seemed to work out since the jaegers did well against scouts but kind of got wiped by the heavy hitters they were saving. Maybe kaiju can't figure out how to pollute the planet if they killed off the humans? It'd help if they explained the cost of pumping out category4 and higher kaiju but I guess that's part of the mystery. I kind of wish the movie showed off some cat1 and cat2s just to see how easy the first jaegers steamrolled over them. i think its' in the comic but too lazy to find that
Barrier only exists on the human side of the breach.
or what I thought right after watching the movie
There's no system in place to keep foreign objects in.
But then if it's two way why do the scout kaiju even have to stick around and die? could just poke their head out, see if the water's fine, and if not just go back home
zzz
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Closest we got was Striker Eureka Vs. Bladehead in Sydney
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The Animatrix. And it was awesome. I have it. The two parter about the rise of the machines is insanely good.
Maybe because the new ones will be improved based on the their last encounter with a jaeger? And the math guy manage to predict the time it took for a new one to arrive, we can assume this has something to do with the portal stability or something
Yes apparently.
It's like entering your place of work. I don't need to touch my card every time I went through the door, one way scan is enough to ensure security.
The alien keep sending a different variant of kaijus, could be they're trying to make the kaijus breed there instead limiting themselves by sending them 1 by 1. Hive mind.
But why gradually escalate the invasion at a mathematically predictable cadence? It just seemed like a contrived way to foreshadow a big fight at the end.
I could stretch and imagine that the kaiju have a set way they do these kind of invasions, just following a schedule or something. But that's not really satisfactory.
The aliens had a set way of doing all their invasions as far as I could tell.
breeding times idunno
yeah the story probably just needed a way to force the humans to go on the offensive so bam scientist with accurate predictions (deadlines)
might also be a silly way of emphasizing that the kaiju are smart!
nerdy aliens
This was very weird to me. Newt goes into a drift with a Kaiju brain, it's a two-way street, the Kaiju function as a hivemind, okay those parts I get, but why was Newt suddenly a beacon which the Kaiju could accurately locate?
Mattdaddy
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I was under the impression the "portal" started small expanded as more kaiju came through, and as it got bigger it allowed them to squeeze more through, and bigger ones. I don't think they could squeeze a cat. 5 through right out of the gate. I think they kind of discussed it when the math geek was talking about predicting the expansion rate and now the portal should be large enough to drop a bomb in. That's the inference I made, but could be wrong.
Edit - but Charlie day did talk about waves, so I don't know
Actually, from what I got from this thread, was that they wanted:
1. More giant mechs battle monsters.
2. Lore
Pacific Rim only dealt with the last moments of 4 Jaegers. You want some more Lore? You want more Jaegers - take your pick lol:
It would be wasted to have a sequel where you're basically starting all over again:
1. Spend time telling/creating new lore about post-Breach closure.
2. Spend time telling/creating new enemies post-Breach closure.
3. Spend time telling/creating new Jaegers from scratch (Current Jaegers active = 0) post-Breach closure.
Pacific-Rim was about the dying days of the Jaeger and the end of the war. If people want MORE Pacific-Rim, then go back to the peak of the WAR, when 14 different Kaiju attack in the one year...and tell the stories of the Pilots/Jaegers that fought them to the death and became legends etc.
Post-Pacific Rim obviously has less going on (besides rebuilding cities) without creating something new that's NOT in the current lore of the story-universe. A prequel would involve showing the LORE we missed in this movie - rather than few events we were told, which couldnt be helped in this end-war film, which was another complaint I got from this thread.
maybe they also obtained his thought process and could "place themselves in his shoes" and where he'd be during a kaiju attack
but then might be too big a stretch to believe that kaiju understand human culture
Mattdaddy
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Yeah that was sweet! Wow a project like that would fit the pacific rim universe so perfectly.
I bet this is more appropriate to post...I bet the politicans where fans of attack on titan
Size of the portal .. clearly mentioned.
Apparently yes, somehow this is major nitpick? Maybe Tony Stark was outsourcing the tech he used in Avengers?
I dont know, maybe because the escape pods are part of our universe? Maybe the firewall is one way only, to keep us out?
They didnt explain this, probably just a plot device to shock kill Perlman, paying homage.
You missed the part where they said all Kaiju's were cloned.
They wanted to kill him off before he did more mind drifting and found out more information about their universe.
Which Gamera? 90's Gamera (the only one I'm familiar with) stomps hard.
At least you understand what it is. I can understand the sentiment, but I'm a Kaiju fan first, mech fan . . . uh not sure what place lol.
From reading a early draft of Beecham's script, before del toro got his hands on it (95% for the better) he explained that the rift is still stabilizing. It takes years to make the rift stable so the precursors, which is what the alien kaiju makers were called, only sent one through when they can. The increase in attacks is directly correlated to the rift becoming stable. This was very important in this version of the script because the plot went as such. The rift has a weak point that was found by gotlieb. But because it was not stable the weak point was free flowing like water. Once it became stable, the weak point could also be exploited. This version essentially ended with tons of kaiju being sent through as striker kicked ass and gipsy went for a Hail Mary towards the rift. No barcode stuff. There was also an extended scene with the kaiju mind meld where they show the Precursors essentially having an infinite farm of kaiju in a watery world.
Overall though the movie version of the script was way better. The version I read had a useless journalist that was in a love triangle with the 2 brothers. Wasn't as international, had less mechs, another love story subplot, and a commander that served as a foil to Pentecost.
Overall though the movie version of the script was way better. The version I read had a useless journalist that was in a love triangle with the 2 brothers. Wasn't as international, had less mechs, another love story subplot, and a commander that served as a foil to Pentecost.
It could very well be that it was a limitation of the portal itself, that it takes time to stabilize and grow so they can't send over the big guys early on
Gets confusing when they add on the dinosaur/pollution stuff too.
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Oh yeah 90's G fucks everyone up.
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