Kiraly
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Verdict reached in George Zimmerman case - Not Guilty
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There was an argument
He was taking his two sons with him away for abit because he was tired of her
They had domestic violence issues yes but he tried to walk away because he didn't want it to escalate
She said " I have something for you" went to the garage, got her gun went back to the kitchen and shot at him
I swear I linked the video like 3 times already
Christ
How about what the fuck to this?
Mast'a George? When in American history did hispanics own black slaves?
Now I don't know all the details, but wasn't he abusive and had a court issued restraining order?
And I don't think the race argument is about her being guilty here or not. Its more so about the obscene amount of time she served given the circumstance. Race comes to play with the harsh sentencing. Minorities tend to get much harsher penalties than their white counterparts who commit the same or similar offenses.
Thinking you shouldn't be allowed to chase a stranger (who has done nothing wrong) down with a gun means you are insanely liberal. Better hope no one ever thinks you look suspicious while you're walking home alone at night.
Señor Jorge lol
IrishNinja
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I don't think you know what liberal means.
Jest Chillin
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Citizen's Arrest
Hmm
Trayvon broke no laws.
Seems like that can't possibly be cited here. Let's look further shall we...
Yeah.. for all intents and purposes.. had Zimmerman actually detain Trayvon.. then Zimmerman would be in jail.
childplease
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You would just hear about zimmerman shooting down another person then.
I am sure after all this if he chooses to live in the same state he will be packing heavily every day.
If I was him I would wear a vest also.
Devolution
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If Zimmerman was actually into his whole Neighborhood Watch shit he'd know how much it stresses not doing anything but calling the cops.
Hispanics can't be racist? And racial bias exists in all forms in all cultures and is constantly reinforced, reproduced, and exaggerated in the media 24/7. I understand the guy's frustration though. People saying that not being an angel is 'enough' and understanding where the authority lies is lol.
Clearly it doesn't given the verdict, doesn't change the situation, toting a gun is not part of Neighborhood watch protocol for a reason. He was negligent on procedure. His overzealous actions ignored his obligations as a Neighborhood watch representative and a kid is dead because of it.
I've given you the best explanation I can for your original question.
It was a breach of procedure, resulting in a death due to his negligence.
That is why someone can't in all honesty represent Neighborhood Watch and go about carrying a weapon. Or at least this result is what is trying to be avoided.
More to the point, the resulting confidence Zimmerman got with his loaded weapon is why he breach procedure and left the standard protocol of observe & report & stay put until police arrive. Without his safety net(gun) he in all likely hood wouldn't have continued to pursue Trayvon, which would have likely ended this whole debacle and Trayvon would still be around to live.
Hence me saying he had no reasons to go after him
That's for the civil law suit that will follow
So he created a situation in which he could later claim he felt his life was in danger to get away with murder.
That's great.
My guess is that he would also have known the names of the streets of the neighborhood.
Lot of neighborhood watch programs make their volunteers sign waivers signing that they will not carry a firearm, not approach suspects and not detain people, etc
So you're just gonna be a smug child eh? I applaud you
Where did I endorse this?
These are all reasons why Neighborhood Watch shouldn't carry guns though...
Im prettu sure he was just saying it to make a point.
But, Hispanic isn't a race. You can be white and Hispanic, black and Hispanic or anything in between. Its an ethnicity. Not sure how Zimmerman identifies, but its likely that its white and Hispanic.
It causes problems I'm sure, No idea what Mexican Americans identify as on the census, but that's what Hispanic means right now.
Jest Chillin
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Actually you cited Citizens Arrest as an ability could have exercised THEN you stated that he had no reason.
Reality is he couldn't exercise Citizens Arrest AND he had no reason to pursue, let alone detain.
Will they never need to defend themselves while on neighborhood watch? Do bad things not happen when you have the emergency whistle? He shouldn't have gone after trayvon is what he shouldn't have done, there was nothing wrong with having a gun
IrishNinja
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it was low hanging fruit, granted - but between your lol at the situation and the I LINKED A VIDEO 3 TIMES i had to take the shot, man
*edit agreed that he had a right to have the gun on him, despite his obvious misuse...anyway no offense meant, just a jab at your choice of words back there
Well yes. And imagine what he would do when a dispatcher tells him not to get involved and wait for police.
Higgins113
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Next thing you know Obama will have a moment of silence in the presidential address or some shit. The media has shaped people into believing that this in some way affects your life.
Devolution
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Neighborhood watch isn't about patrolling like a cop, detaining people and instigating shit, it's just about being more vigilant.
Jest Chillin
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Neighborhood Watch is intended to observe and inform. No Neighborhood Watch should put themselves in the position to have to defend themselves. They're just citizens who volunteer to call the police. That's it.
This feels like cheating
It's about keeping your neighborhood nice I thought
To help fight gang violence in your neighborhood by preventing the kids in your community to join in and things like that. He tried to do something that in hindsight was a terrible idea but he acted on a whim
No one puts themselves in that situation
My sister has been "assaulted" twice already almost a third time
She doesn't go around asking for it, it just happens
IrishNinja
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to be fair, he didn't have to take a class on listening to 911 dispatch to quality for his self-appointed role, the procedures were clear on this
it's great you managed to find your way back here with another piece of somehow-related wisdom like this, i hope you'll bless us again before page 40
Devolution
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It's just about vigilance and communication between neighbors. Nothing more. GZ was obviously an overzealous idiot.
Jest Chillin
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As a father you better damn believe this affects my life. This case tells me that if either of my kids finds themselves in a messed up situation and decides that he needs to fight his way out of it, it's ok for the other person to decide to kill him. And on top of that my kid would then have his name dragged through the mud for being a damn kid.
I hear what you're saying... and I'm all about my weapons. But you simply cannot have an untrained militia operating as a independent, unorganized, unchecked police force in a neighborhood.
Instead of thinking of the reasons why "it'd be cool", remember that the constitution's take on this was written back when we were fighting off the british and while groups of 3-4 men had to brave the wilderness of a new world alone and without support. Clearly those same lines no longer apply to today's time. In the context of this subject though, its so embarrassingly irresponsible for any parent to feel safe, let alone comfortable, that someone who can't even name the streets in said neighborhood should be able to protect them and their loved ones from any external threat - let alone personal misjudgment.
"Shit happens" is not a valid outcome for any gun owner.
Let the police police. They're trained for it. If you want to protect yourself with your firearm, you do that - but don't think that everyone, or anyone, wants some random stranger off the street playing Batman for them.
Who, unlike his victim, just dodged a bullet. No justice.
Jest Chillin
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You do understand the difference between Observing and Reporting and having the alleged criminal then going out of their way to assault and Observing by following, making your presence known and physically interacting with said alleged criminal right?
Keep in mind that no evidence was found that Trayvon imitated the confrontation.
By reporting suspicious activity to the cops. Ideally you're just telling everyone to just pay attention and that it's okay to tell cops if people are being jerkbutts.
What it usually just ends up being is a bunch of neighbors gossiping about another neighbor.
You do not patrol and do not persue suspicious activity with a gun in neighborhood watches. He did the correct thing at first re: NW, which was call 911. What he didn't do correctly was then proceed to follow him against the direct orders of 911 and murder an unarmed kid that he chased down.
In regards to race relations, and our justice system it is relevant. Whether the ruling was right or wrong there's nothing wrong with looking into a case like this. If people only looked at things that directly involved their immediate lives, I don't think we'd have as much social progress as we do now. Is this case critical to our future, who knows, but there's nothing wrong with being invested and were not necessarily brainwashed by the media.
If you want to carry a gun, don't join the neighborhood watch. It's pretty simple. No one is forcing you to do it.
You endorse his right to carry while being on his watch, which was what created this situation.
As others have pointed out, the reason watchmen aren't supposed to carry guns is so they don't fell the need to play tough guys and create situations in which they have to kill. Zimmerman did eveything wrong that nigh, and as a result, a kid is dead and he's free to go.
I'm saying he shouldn't not have a gun because he's no neighborhood watch because he can be in danger at any time, I'm not condoning his actions but he didn't assault trayvon or at least no one knows who did what yet
Yes because it's a constitutional right lol not because he killed someone.
Don't put words in my mouth
evil solrac v3.0
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Was this tweet posted yet?
and why do we care about this? who is that?
Devolution
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The only danger he was in, he put himself in, because he's not supposed to do that. Do you understand how this works?
Neighborhood Watch =/= Patrol Officer.
Joel Was Right
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I think the root of this problem lies right there. You merely volunteer as the eyes and ears of the police. You never take action in preventing something beyond reporting it to the police.
You aren't subject to Neighborhood Watch credo when you are unexpectedly flung into a situation that you failed to observe before hand.
Zimmerman already observed and took note of Trayvon, called the police. Ect.. however he continued to pursue Trayvon after the information was passed along. He in effect created a situation he could have avoided if he followed procedure.
But if he had stayed in the car, he would never have stopped that burglary ring of black teenagers, and gotten on the news, and caught the eye of the police chief who begged him to retake the test and join the police force. If he hadn't disobeyed police dispatch, none of that would have ever happened.
Jest Chillin
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Actually being Neighborhood Watch does indeed mean he should not be carrying, open or concealed because of the this very thing. You don't have the fox watch the hen house.
How is this an issue of liberal vs. conservative?
Or do you take siding with the dead black kid as a liberal position, and siding with the guy who shot him as a conservative one?
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