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[kpopSuperstar]

No, Kylo's regiment lost.

It's funny that the cartoons did a better job of illustrating that taking out the biggest enemy ship doesn't simply end the war.

And again to my point, that's a narrative flaw that part 8 should have expanded upon, but instead it retroactively made 7's ending look worse.

Where are all the other regiments? Kylo's regiment must be just be a tiny bit of the empire.

 

[GateofD]

Yea, I don't really count or waste much mindspace on anything made after Lucas sold it to disney. Star Wars BD (Before Disney), and Star Wars AD. (After Death)

 

[kpopSuperstar]

The first Death Star held 1.7 million Imperial troops and other personnel. That IS a significant blow, but more importantly, such a feat would draw more people drawn to the Rebellion and shake the indestructible image of the Empire.

The second Death Star held 2.4 million people, on top of the Executor falling as well, it's understandable what was left of the Empire decided to GTFO.



This is a really bad recollection of the ST. Nowhere did 7 state that blowing up Starkiller Base defeated First Order. That would especially be ridiculous since at the end of 7, Snoke demands Hux bring Kylo to him to finish his training. What would be the point of that if Snoke no longer had any army?

8 does not begin months later. It begins IMMEDIATELY afterwards. The resistance's base had been located by the First Order in 7 by tracking their recon ship, hence the Resistance's haste to destroy Starkiller Base. So then at the start of 8, the First Order had to send in ships to attack instead meaning the Resistance had to retreat. Likewise, 7 ends with Rey finding Luke, and at the start of 8, it picks up immediately from there.

I think you're getting your memories of the OT and the ST mixed up.

How did the first order take over the galaxy so fast?

And even if there were millions of people on the death stars, that are so easy to break that they lost multiple by a ragtag idiot resistance, it still would be a drop in the empires bucket.

Even a few star systems would ensure access to billions of recruits.

 

[March Climber]

Where are all the other regiments? Kylo's regiment must be just be a tiny bit of the empire.

Some of it in books. But most of it not told and not expanded upon. It's why, whatever comes next, I want them to go as far away from the Skywalker saga timeline as possible.

It shouldn't matter if their first outing was a failure, they need to keep at it until they find a new tale to tell, with new conflicts.

Only the video games are worth consuming at this point and that shouldn't be the case for a billion dollar movie franchise.

 

[Gp1]

I base that on eyeballing how many members are in the Galactic Senate chamber in the prequels. And in Episode II when Obi-Wan is on Kamino, the head Kamino guy mentioned there's 200,000 clones ready "with a million more on the way".

But only for episode 2. Don't forget the next 18 years (more in fact) between EP2 and Yavin.

And that just the clone army. I remember that they said somewhere that the Storm troopers (even with their poor aim) still is some sort of special forces/shock trooper within in the empire.

Besides that when you talk about resources, money etc... In KOTOR and Episode 9 they literally had a space printer spitting Star Destroyers left and right.

 

[Doom85]

How did the first order take over the galaxy so fast?

And even if there were millions of people on the death stars, that are so easy to break that they lost multiple by a ragtag idiot resistance, it still would be a drop in the empires bucket.

Even a few star systems would ensure access to billions of recruits.

Again, just like the Empire, they "took over" the galaxy in that they had the largest fleet. They publicly arose five years before Episode 7, but were making movements for eight years prior to that, with most of the Senate of the New Republic dismissing the legitimacy of how much of a threat they were, with only a portion of them supporting the Resistance. By the time the First Order publicly arose, it was too late to effectively counter it, and Starkiller Base in Episode 7 crippled the New Republic by using Starkiller Base to destroy the planet of the Senate as well as the New Republic fleet.

Yes, a lot of these details are in expanded universe material, but films like this aren't designed to bog the viewer down with a lot of minor details. Like, you can find out how lightsabers are actually constructed, but it's not important enough for the focus of a film to spend time having Obi-Wan explain all that to Luke. Pacing is crucial to a film, sometimes you just have to go with what info the movie is providing you and fill in the blanks yourself.

You're assuming planets in Star Wars are as densely populated as our Earth. Many clearly have far smaller populations, and some are practically devoid of intelligent life. Also, only a portion of a planet's population would be fit to enlist, and the Empire would require time, resources, personnel, facilities, etc. to train them. Only four years pass in-universe for the original trilogy. And remember, a lot of that time, resources, and personnel was focused on building the second Death Star, so that even further limits them from doing what you're suggesting.

 

[BlackTron]

And I read somewhere that for a coup, you don't need millions, a handful of people is enough.

Well, look at how the transition of the Republic into the Empire happened. It came down to a few key players.

 

[IntentionalPun]

It's a fantasy series about winning against impossible odds so that tracks.

 

[NickFire]

Ever read something that makes you think. on the grand scheme of things, somehow I'm only a 1 or 2 on the how big of a nerd am I scale?

 

[devutos]

The Achaemenid Empire extended over 5 million square kilometers controlling who knows how many cities and towns, and yet it took Alexander a handful of battles to take it over. If you defeat the armies and take over key territories of a centralized empire, the whole thing collapses. You don't need to conquer each individual piece of land, the many people who rule over those will just submit to you.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Trying to make sense with space, Star Wars and George Lucas might break your brain. The empire was huge, I think in the last few years with rogue one, andor etc. we see how big the empire is.

 

[kpopSuperstar]

Again, just like the Empire, they "took over" the galaxy in that they had the largest fleet. They publicly arose five years before Episode 7, but were making movements for eight years prior to that, with most of the Senate of the New Republic dismissing the legitimacy of how much of a threat they were, with only a portion of them supporting the Resistance. By the time the First Order publicly arose, it was too late to effectively counter it, and Starkiller Base in Episode 7 crippled the New Republic by using Starkiller Base to destroy the planet of the Senate as well as the New Republic fleet.

Yes, a lot of these details are in expanded universe material, but films like this aren't designed to bog the viewer down with a lot of minor details. Like, you can find out how lightsabers are actually constructed, but it's not important enough for the focus of a film to spend time having Obi-Wan explain all that to Luke. Pacing is crucial to a film, sometimes you just have to go with what info the movie is providing you and fill in the blanks yourself.

You're assuming planets in Star Wars are as densely populated as our Earth. Many clearly have far smaller populations, and some are practically devoid of intelligent life. Also, only a portion of a planet's population would be fit to enlist, and the Empire would require time, resources, personnel, facilities, etc. to train them. Only four years pass in-universe for the original trilogy. And remember, a lot of that time, resources, and personnel was focused on building the second Death Star, so that even further limits them from doing what you're suggesting.

Yes, but this doesnt explain my main point, that Lucas made the empire too big for this to make sense. Even if 95% of the planets controlled were backwater planets with barely any people, a galaxy spaning empire is too big to fight. It would take hundreds of years to fight them.

The empire will at the minimum have thousands of planets with industry and armies. Controlling 1.5 million planets, they just need a small portion of that to be active to be beyond any damage from a tiny resistance.

The empire would need decentralized sectors of the galaxy to control their empire, they must have thousands of individual armies. The time, equipment and manpower it would need to fight this makes no sense.

The Star Wars story would work if the empire spanned 100 planets, but it doesnt work on the scale they built.

 

[kpopSuperstar]

The Achaemenid Empire extended over 5 million square kilometers controlling who knows how many cities and towns, and yet it took Alexander a handful of battles to take it over. If you defeat the armies and take over key territories of a centralized empire, the whole thing collapses. You don't need to conquer each individual piece of land, the many people who rule over those will just submit to you.

Thats ancient times where a fast moving experienced army could surprise and conquer whole continents, we are talking about a space empire controlling over a million planets. And the resistence dont really have an army.

 

[Wildebeest]

We can say that it is not real science fiction but the fault of coming up with this absurd space empire is all Isaac Asimov who started it with his fictional universe. It was at least ten times bigger and all administered from one planet Trantor.

 

[PhineasC]

My assumption was always that the Empire really only directly controlled a smaller number of planets. The rest were nominally part of the empire but rarely checked on. Like the 40k universe.

Clearly the galactic senate didn't have a million reps...

 

[Generic]

Agreed,honestly 8 was when this franchise died for me. I mean sure I still follow it but the name doesn't hold the same gravitas it did before ep 8 and it's awful awful story and writting came along and butchered everything good about this series. Ep 9 was basically just putting the final nails in the coffin ep 8 already put the franchise in.

The shows are so hit or miss that it's hard to even care anymore.

Ep: 8 also exposed the entire media bias in reviews....

That score is absolutely insane to me for this piece of dogshit and for me instantly nullifies anything good reviewers have to say about popular franchises since they clear have no fucking clue what planet they are on.

It's interesting how the Star Wars movie with best acting and most complex characters is also the most hated one.

 

[BlackTron]

Yea, I don't really count or waste much mindspace on anything made after Lucas sold it to disney. Star Wars BD (Before Disney), and Star Wars AD. (After Death)

You had me thinking about it for a moment and I think all that's in my personal headcanon is Mando and Rogue One.

It's interesting how the Star Wars movie with best acting and most complex characters is also the most hated one.

How can I so completely categorically disagree with you on every question imaginable lol

 

[Neff]

The Empire was hated throughout the galaxy. It's not improbable.

I thought this line made it clear what the situation was.

Right. There's plenty of dialogue in the first movie to suggest that despite their reach, the Empire was struggling to maintain order and control. Palpatine knew that the only way to maintain absolute rule was via the Death Star, and subsequent Death Stars.

 

[Soodanim]

I don't recall ever hearing the 1.5 million number. Did I never pay attention?

 

[Major Insano]

It's always bothered me that it's set in 'a galaxy far far away' instead of our Milkyway.

It takes me out of the movie when so many of the cast are Hollywood Yanks and stiff-assed Brits.
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[Doom85]

It's always bothered me that it's set in 'a galaxy far far away' instead of our Milkyway.

It takes me out of the movie when so many of the cast are Hollywood Yanks and stiff-assed Brits.
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It's just kind of a common trope in some sci-fi for there to be humans, or at least aliens who look and talk exactly like them, way out in space yet apparently don't originate from Earth.

I mean, in the Guardians of the Galaxy films, Peter Quill/Star-Lord is the only human from Earth in those films, yet there are still plenty of humans in these faraway galaxies. You just kind of have to roll with it.

 

[OzRinlvs]

I'm another who always saw this world as more fantasy with spaceships. Empire Strikes Back was a great movie and New Hope is enjoyable but that's pretty much it.

That said, building a 'galactic empire' would take an insane amount of time and resources, considering the distances involved, and it will be super fragile given the technological demands it would entail. I just don't believe that anyone will have the time, skills and resources to build a galactic empire before that particular galaxy burns itself up.

 

[thefool]

You're not wrong.
Dune does a better job at this, at least it's more believable.

 

[Shaki12345]

I know its not the sort of sci-fi that is supposed to make sense, but the premise of Star Wars is so silly that any thought around it breaks the universe.

What I am talking about is the size of the empire. George Lucas wanted to make an all powerful enemy and never put any thought into what he was writing.

The empire is a galactic empire that rules over millions of star systems. Even if the resistance was a million strong, they still wouldnt be a blip of the radar of the empire. Even if 90% of the planets under the empires control was just small backwater planets, the rest of the 10% would still be enough to field hundreds of millions of soldiers.

The empire controlled 1.5 million planets, which means that even if the resistance claimed 5 planets on the daily, it would still take hundreds of years to make a dent in the empire.

I think Lucas was completely ignorant on space and never considered what he was writing. It makes all stories of resistance, like Andor and the original trilogy, pointless. They could realistically never do anything.

Star Wars isn't sci-fi.

It's fantasy.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Do we even know if the empire isn't even part of something bigger? Always referring to the galactic empire. Imagine after all these years it was just a small faction of something much much bigger..

 

[HJuggernaut]

The empire controlled the important ports and trading routs, did you watch the prequels? Meaning the Empire didn't have to physically control all those planets.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Lucas also had a brother and a sister making out. He's an idea man. Not a detail guy.

 

[Avid Reading Horse]

Lucas also had a brother and a sister making out. He's an idea man. Not a detail guy.

Just wait until my AI sequel is complete


Obi-wan muscles in and eventually Luke goes from third-wheel throuple position to playing with his lightsaber in the cuck chair.

 

[AJUMP23]

He told a fantasy story in a space setting. Not impossible.

 

[Randall365]

I know its not the sort of sci-fi that is supposed to make sense, but the premise of Star Wars is so silly that any thought around it breaks the universe.

What I am talking about is the size of the empire. George Lucas wanted to make an all powerful enemy and never put any thought into what he was writing.

The empire is a galactic empire that rules over millions of star systems. Even if the resistance was a million strong, they still wouldnt be a blip of the radar of the empire. Even if 90% of the planets under the empires control was just small backwater planets, the rest of the 10% would still be enough to field hundreds of millions of soldiers.

The empire controlled 1.5 million planets, which means that even if the resistance claimed 5 planets on the daily, it would still take hundreds of years to make a dent in the empire.

I think Lucas was completely ignorant on space and never considered what he was writing. It makes all stories of resistance, like Andor and the original trilogy, pointless. They could realistically never do anything.

Also:

* the starships and lasers should be silent in the spacefights.

* the idea of people moving things with their mind is utter nonsense.

* The Death Star's mass would lead to any random items of junk it flew past just gravitating into it - it would be like a wet lollipop being draged through a rabbit hutch and be a filthy mess before it reached Alderaan.

* even a handful of stormtroopers with rifles would have absolutely butchered those teddy bears in the third one. The best hope would have been for one of the AT ATs to POSSIBLY slide over in their blood, but even then that's optimistic.

Star Wars is not great on realism tbf.