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[MisterNegative]

Exactly...and this is by design.

Today's racism isn't publically dudes in hoods burning crosses into lawns (even though this still happens) or people denying entry to people of color (even though this still happens). Today's racism is a series of deliberate coincidences. Today's racism is the "smart" white QB and the "athletic" black QB. Today's racism is more black men being imprisoned for drugs despite more non-black men having/using/selling/distributing them. Todays racism is politicians telling a coincidentally majority black group of people to "leave the plantation" in a speech. Today's racism is subtle, but omnipresent for every person of color who is eternally aware of his place in America. I won't have to worry about getting shot with a hose like my grandpa might've, but I know I am not going to get into that apartment complex even with 800 credit for "reasons".

Being black, I hate reading shit like this. It's soo fucking depressing and demotivating. It's painting America as a fucked up place to live. Whatever though. I still want to move to NY after I finish my degree here in the UK and I'm just going to do the very best I can to succeed, I refuse to accept and allow the colour of my skin to hold me back in 2013 and onwards.

Regarding this thread I think i've made my points and said all I have to say. Peace.

 

[nib95]

Personally I found this a little discomforting.



I'm probably nitpicking but the way she phrased her words, kind of irritates me.

Goerge didn't go just "a little too deep", he fully fucked up to tremendous porportions.

And the way Trayvon is characterized almost sounds like a guy trying to protect some reputation. Mad and attacked him? Can't he be scared??? Is that at all possible because it seems like something not acknowledged. That in a young persons situation, being followed by car, running from that, then when evading the car being followed on foot and approached by a random unidentifiable grown male who doesn't annouce who he is or why he's chasing after him, with a weapon on his persons is somehow not something that can bubble fear or create a sense of danger.

Why is it that "anger" and "pride"(getting a 1up) is the most likely emotional motivator for someone like Trayvon to defend himself not be a mix of fear and confusion, resulting in triggering his instinct for survival?

I'll meander from my point a little.

Also, why is it someone who apparently was overpowering and causing enough damage to another human being to cause reasonable fear for their life only cause a broken nose and superficial lacerations and very, very light bruises.

Is that the signs of someone walking out of a life or death struggle?

Lighter damage than I received when I was in middle school(junior high)?

Also, why do people characterize Zimmerman as some weak, meek, defenseless individual and portray Trayvon as some sort of Goliath. To the point that Zimmerman is also portrayed well beyond his age as some frail 60-70 year old.

He was in his late fucking 20's, had more weight on him then the victim, very much in shape and taking MMA style self defense training courses. And has a prior violent background.

Trayvon played sports and was in highschool brawls which is apparently some sort of unheard of savagery.

/Rant

Good post. My guess is that the juror was honestly just racist. Too many double standards, one sided accounts of testimony, gulfs in disparity of sympathy and fault, and mental gymnastics attributed to the defence of killing someone for me to feel different. Just my own common sense based opinion mind.

It's essentially the subliminal racism people in this thread have talked about.

 

[theignoramus]

How is it not racist to assume a jury with white people is racist because they're white? Fucking ridiculous.

Make it about 'us vs them' over and over, and try to call the other side racist, how fucking hypocritical.

You act like the comments you respond to exist in a vacuum and that we dont have a studies that document how blacks in the legal system tend to be treated by an overwhelmingly white jury.

 

[commedieu]

what the fuck.

This is really happening guys? I've been trying to avoid the outcome and seek peace in the fact that at least they threw us a "trial." But this is offensive. There are already violent riots breaking out, and I don't blame anyone. Its stupid, but people have just been told that their lives hold absolutely no value in their country. Its not just florida, its watching the media and social media acknowledge that this is an ok practice. Fellow citizens are happy Zimmerman got off for shooting an unarmed kid because they are terrified of blacks, and wouldn't want to go to jail for getting rid of one.

I feel horrible for Trayvons mother. She wanted a trial for her son that was killed. Instead, the result is that he killed himself for being so carelessly black.

Obama is a complete coward for not addressing the feelings of the black population, as they are universal right now.

I will never go to florida, or many other red states in the off chance that I decide to kill myself by being harassed by armed men, who have the green light on shooting people as long as no one is around to see. They can even lie multiple times while doing so, to the police, as well as the Justice System, and still get off.

This is a horrible day for blacks in the USA.

edit;

Also, guys... you keep having arguments with people about race. They don't get it, and never will based on their comments. Opiate hit the nail on the head, and you will still find people feigning disbelief at racist systems and dynamics in our country. They aren't worth your time to convince, and frankly, I doubt they can be convinced. If you're arguing with someone who sees no problems with any of this, what is the point? A lot has to change in that persons life for them to even begin understanding the black experience in america, and even for them to believe what Opiate so eloquently stated.

There is a reason the civil rights commission is investigating Stand Your Ground in florida for racial bias. Its because blacks that try to use it, fail. No mystery there, at least to us. But others, have to wait for... _____________.

 

[Vahagn]

Yeah Jesus christ that would scare the shit out of me. Normal people knock on the fucking door they don't just appear at a window lol.

Trayvon's completely normal. Clearly. Looking in a window is not illegal. Maybe there was some super hot chick he spotted, maybe he was looking at the TV to see the score of the All Star game he was missing by walking to 7-11? Maybe he saw something that caught his attention.

I understand why Zimmerman might stop his car, and take a look. See what happens, wait till a crime is committed then call the cops. THAT is normal behavior for a neighborhood watch coordinator. Calling the cops on someone before they've done anything when all you can perceive is his 1) age "he looks like he's in his late teens" 2) race "He looks black" and his 3) clothing "He's wearing a dark sweater and some grey pants" makes you a racist.


At the very least it makes you prejudiced. Maybe Zimmerman likes black babies, or black republicans in suits, or middle aged black women, but he clearly has a serious issue with black teenagers "fucking assholes" "fucking punks". That is prejudiced.

You can assume he has a problem with criminals if he witnessed Trayvon commit a crime, but he didn't. So those statements and projections of "suspicion" weren't connected to a kind of behavior, they were connected to a physical appearance.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Trayvon's completely normal. Clearly. Looking in a window is not illegal. Maybe there was some super hot chick he spotted, maybe he was looking at the TV to see the score of the All Star game he was missing by walking to 7-11? Maybe he saw something that caught his attention.

I understand why Zimmerman might stop his car, and take a look. See what happens, wait till a crime is committed then call the cops. THAT is normal behavior for a neighborhood watch coordinator. Calling the cops on someone before they've done anything when all you can perceive is his 1) age "he looks like he's in his late teens" 2) race "He looks black" and his 3) clothing "He's wearing a dark sweater and some grey pants" makes you a racist.


At the very least it makes you prejudiced. Maybe Zimmerman likes black babies, or black republicans in suits, or middle aged black women, but he clearly has a serious issue with black teenagers "fucking assholes" "fucking punks". That is prejudiced.

You can assume he has a problem with criminals if he witnessed Trayvon commit a crime, but he didn't. So those statements and projections of "suspicion" weren't connected to a kind of behavior, they were connected to a physical appearance.

Sneaking up to a window to peer in and look at a hot chick is illegal you know. It is also exactly what someone would do before they robbed a house. That is easily suspicious behavior, enough to call the cops.

 

[Famassu]

Deadly force is permissible in response to deadly force. You come across pretty childish and very unsure of yourself at this point, please don't lash out.

In Europe, from what I can tell from having followed some cases, that is judged much more harshly. Deadly force is REALLY seen as a last option, not a "well, there could maybe perhaps have been some danger to me at that point" like it's too often seemingly been interpreted in the USA from what I've seen. No way would anyone got a non guilty verdict in at least western European countries with such laws considering the facts that

1) Trayvon was a kid who lived at the neighborhood and was doing nothing illegal
2) Trayvon was not armed in any way
3) The Police said Zimmerman should not act on this
4) A grown-ass man chased a kid, so Trayvon had every reason to be afraid and be on the defensive when Zimmerman caught him, whereas Zimmerman overreacted at that point. At no point did he have any reason to take out his gun and shoot Trayvon.

It would have been sentenced as overreacting to a threat that simply wasn't there. Zimmerman was in the wrong here, even if a scared kid did get a few hits in.. Zimmerman would have gone to jail, there's no doubt about that.

 

[captmcblack]

Being black, I hate reading shit like this. It's soo fucking depressing and demotivating. It's painting America as a fucked up place to live. Whatever though. I still want to move to NY after I finish my degree here in the UK and I'm just going to do the very best I can to succeed, I refuse to accept and allow the colour of my skin to hold me back in 2013 and onwards.

Regarding this thread I think i've made my points and said all I have to say. Peace.

Don't avoid coming to America. It's a great country, and a great place to live. Please, do come to New York City - it's amazing.

But don't ignore reality. When you read posts like mine, don't think that you're suddenly going to get kidnapped and forced to build pyramids or pick cotton. However, you need to know that sometimes people might walk across the street from you, clutching their purse. You need to know that sometimes, that guy who's had too many in a bar might use certain words to address you if you bump into him, or beat him at pool/darts and get a little too happy that you won. You need to know that you might be followed around a store even if you're wearing a suit. You need to know that you might get pulled over in a nice car if you're cruising too flashy in the suburbs.

You just need to know that the eyes that look at you perceive you differently, and more often you'd be at a disadvantage than other people who are farther along on the Pantone scale, heh.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Good post. My guess is that the juror was honestly just racist. Too many double standards, one sided accounts of testimony, gulfs in disparity of sympathy and fault, and mental gymnastics attributed to the defence of killing someone for me to feel different. Just my own common sense based opinion mind.

It's essentially the subliminal racism people in this thread have talked about.

Agreed, it's pretty sad actually. In calling her racist, we're merely responding to her racism.

 

[commedieu]

Trayvon's completely normal. Clearly. Looking in a window is not illegal. Maybe there was some super hot chick he spotted, maybe he was looking at the TV to see the score of the All Star game he was missing by walking to 7-11? Maybe he saw something that caught his attention.

I understand why Zimmerman might stop his car, and take a look. See what happens, wait till a crime is committed then call the cops. THAT is normal behavior for a neighborhood watch coordinator. Calling the cops on someone before they've done anything when all you can perceive is his 1) age "he looks like he's in his late teens" 2) race "He looks black" and his 3) clothing "He's wearing a dark sweater and some grey pants" makes you a racist.


At the very least it makes you prejudiced. Maybe Zimmerman likes black babies, or black republicans in suits, or middle aged black women, but he clearly has a serious issue with black teenagers "fucking assholes" "fucking punks". That is prejudiced.

You can assume he has a problem with criminals if he witnessed Trayvon commit a crime, but he didn't. So those statements and projections of "suspicion" weren't connected to a kind of behavior, they were connected to a physical appearance.

And why are people taking Zimmerman's word(proven liar, with horrible self diagnosed memory issues) As fact? Why take a liars word, a person with no merit behind their words, over an unarmed innocent civilian who had no weapons, or history of violence, was on the phone with his friend at the time stating someone is following him.

Why?

Because there is something intrinsically wrong with Trayvon's attire, his skin, or his being. It has to be some reason. And that reason is what paints a certain image of a person suggesting that a liars word is worth more than a dead negro.

"subliminal racism"

sums it up perfectly.

 

[Vahagn]

Sneaking up to a window to peer in and look at a hot chick is illegal you know. It is also exactly what someone would do before they robbed a house. That is easily suspicious behavior, enough to call the cops.

who the hell said anything about sneaking up to? Looking in a window as you're walking by, and sneaking up all "sneaky" like to be a voyeur are different things and an assumption you made based on what?


And spare me this nonsense about it's illegal so you would call the cops.

People watch white people do Illegal Shit all the time without calling the authorities.


And having children is exactly what people do before they sexually molest them. Statistically speaking, white men. So I guess seeing a white male with children, we should call the cops all the time on them because we find it suspicious.

 

[Seeds]

Sneaking up to a window to peer in and look at a hot chick is illegal you know. It is also exactly what someone would do before they robbed a house. That is easily suspicious behavior, enough to call the cops.

It's also something you would do if you're being followed by someone you don't know.

Remember, Martins suspecious activity came as a result of Zimmerman following him. Walking on lawns, running, both things ZImmerman found suspecious made in an attempt from Martin to lose him.

Try following someone you don't know. You'll find that they'll eventually start acting 'suspeicous', looking around, walking faster.

 

[Perkel]

Tragic event.

Public opinion knew from start who is guilty where jury job was to answer if there is reasonable doubt that this is murder case.

So lets see.

Dude was doing his job that day as neighborhood watchman. He saw someone who looked suspicious, contacted police and gone to meet that dude.

Who knows maybe he was racist prick or simply thought he will just talk with that dude.

What later occurred was fight. There is no answer who started fight. This fight led to shooting that young dude died. Zimmerman wasn't unharmed so this wasn't case where he pointed gun at him from safe distance and shoot. There was confrontation. We don't know what happened in that confrontation.

Did Zimmerman tried to approach dude safely just asking "what's going on" "why are you here" ? or he started with aggressive stance and that lead to fist fight.
Did Trevor assumed he was in danger so he fought with Zimmerman or he was also aggressive toward Zimmerman and when Zimmerman tried to stop him verbally or physically from leaving this place (since he called cops) that lead to fight. Noone knows.

This is why jury decided what they decided.
Because there is no legit proof Zimmerman tried to actually murder Trevor. And there is no legit proof he shoot him after fight or he wasn't fighting for his life in that fight.

All there is, are racial stereotypes that white racist killed black man. If zimmerman would be black there would be no public outcry.

 

[Hari Seldon]

who the hell said anything about sneaking up to? Looking in a window as you're walking by, and sneaking up all "sneaky" like to be a voyeur are different things and an assumption you made based on what?


And spare me this nonsense about it's illegal so you would call the cops.

People watch white people do Illegal Shit all the time without calling the authorities.


And having children is exactly what people do before they sexually molest them. Statistically speaking, white men. So I guess seeing a white male with children, we should call the cops all the time on them because we find it suspicious.

Well yeah I thought we were talking about the hypothetical if I saw someone doing this. I don't know what Martin did, we only have GZs word on it and no evidence otherwise.

 

[commedieu]

Tragic event.

Public opinion knew from start who is guilty where jury job was to answer if there is reasonable doubt that this is murder case.

So lets see.

Dude was doing his job that day as neighborhood watchman. He saw someone who looked suspicious, contacted police and gone to meet that dude.

Who knows maybe he was racist prick or simply thought he will just talk with that dude.

What later occurred was fight. There is no answer who started fight. This fight led to shooting that young dude. Zimmerman wasn't unharmed so this wasn't case where he pointed gun at him from safe distance and shoot. There was confrontation. We don't know what happened in that confrontation.

Did Zimmerman tried to approach dude safely just asking "what's going on" "why are you here" ? or he started with aggressive stance and that lead to fist fight.
Did Trevor assumed he was in danger so he fought with Zimmerman or he was also aggressive toward Zimmerman and when Zimmerman tried to stop him verbally or physically from leaving this place (since he called cops) that lead to fight. Noone knows.

This is why jury decided what they decided.
Because there is no legit proof Zimmerman tried to actually murder Trevor. And there is no legit proof he shoot him after fight or he wasn't fighting for his life in that fight.

All there is, are racial stereotypes that white racist killed black man. If zimmerman would be black there would be no public outcry.

Trevor, yeah.

 

[Vahagn]

Tragic event.

Public opinion knew from start who is guilty where jury job was to answer if there is reasonable doubt that this is murder case.

So lets see.

Dude was doing his job that day as neighborhood watchman. He saw someone who looked suspicious, contacted police and gone to meet that dude.

Who knows maybe he was racist prick or simply thought he will just talk with that dude.

What later occurred was fight. There is no answer who started fight. This fight led to shooting that young dude. Zimmerman wasn't unharmed so this wasn't case where he pointed gun at him from safe distance and shoot. There was confrontation. We don't know what happened in that confrontation.

Did Zimmerman tried to approach dude safely just asking "what's going on" "why are you here" ? or he started with aggressive stance and that lead to fist fight.
Did Trevor assumed he was in danger so he fought with Zimmerman or he was also aggressive toward Zimmerman and when Zimmerman tried to stop him verbally or physically from leaving this place (since he called cops) that lead to fight. Noone knows.

This is why jury decided what they decided.
Because there is no legit proof Zimmerman tried to actually murder Trevor. And there is no legit proof he shoot him after fight or he wasn't fighting for his life in that fight.

All there is, are racial stereotypes that white racist killed black man. If zimmerman would be black there would be no public outcry.

These racists just don't stop do they?


All of your stuff is complete and utter bullshit, but let's skip to the last part. Zimmerman admitted to killing Trayvon, was at the scene of the crime, was sent home that night and not charged.


Now find me a similar story with black on black crime. You're confusing not apprehending the suspect with catching him and letting him go home. Disgusting.

 

[Cipherr]

“I think both of them were responsible for the situation they got themselves into,” she added. “I think they each could have made the decision to walk away.”

The boy fucking ran away.... He fucking ran. Does that not count for anything? Should he have walked instead? Is fleeing really not good enough here?


Fuck me man.. these people make my blood boil. I cannot stand this shit.

And how does she even GET the jury spot with her husband being a lawyer and her referring to him as a "Boy of color"? Did they purposely throw this case? Its was handled fucking HORRIBLY.

 

[captive]

who the hell said anything about sneaking up to? Looking in a window as you're walking by, and sneaking up all "sneaky" like to be a voyeur are different things and an assumption you made based on what?


And spare me this nonsense about it's illegal so you would call the cops.

People watch white people do Illegal Shit all the time without calling the authorities.


And having children is exactly what people do before they sexually molest them. Statistically speaking, white men. So I guess seeing a white male with children, we should call the cops all the time on them because we find it suspicious.

this is sad but true. In April we went to a theme park and i lost my key to my car on a ride. I had all my camera gear in the car, plus the key to our bed and breakfast and her purse. So after some phone calls a friend of my parents took us to get a rent car, i stopped at home depot and bought 10 dollars worth of "tools" and broke into my Jetta through the sun roof, tons of people were walking by as we were doing this since the park was closing, no one said a thing, security drove right by us and they didnt stop. Seriously. We got back in the rent car and my fiance was like wow no one said anything, and without pause I said, its cause we're white.

 

[KHarvey16]

No it is not. Lol. Which is exactly why we don't use the term here. Because the notion of murder as an act of self defence is not a prevalent one. Here even if someone comes at you with fists, a knife or gun, and you beat or stab them to death, you're doing time manslaughter. It's easier to judge reasonable force here because guns are banned. So you don't get people shooting off their guns as a first call to self defence.

Here you're only permitted to do enough to get yourself out of danger, whist showing restraint and regard for human life.

This is not true. Second, murder as an act of self defense makes no sense, since murder is the unlawful act of killing someone.

I'm starting to suspect you won't cite the law you're talking about because you've never read them.

2. Deprivation of life shall not be regarded as inflicted in contravention of this Article when it results from the use of force which is no more than absolutely necessary:

(a) in defence of any person from unlawful violence;

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/schedule/1/paragraph/2

Failure to retreat when attacked and when it is possible and safe to do so, is not conclusive evidence that a person was not acting in self defence. It is simply a factor to be taken into account rather than as giving rise to a duty to retreat when deciding whether the degree of force was reasonable in the circumstances (section 76(6) Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008). It is not necessary that the defendant demonstrates by walking away that he does not want to engage in physical violence

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/self_defence/

 

[mckmas8808]

Funny how easily the media can manipulate and control people. They created this entire situation and now they are reaping the benefits.

WHAT!?!

 

[Vahagn]

Well yeah I thought we were talking about the hypothetical if I saw someone doing this. I don't know what Martin did, we only have GZs word on it and no evidence otherwise.

I'm just saying. You changed "looking in windows" as he's walking around to "Sneaking up to" based on what?

Did your subconscious just assume that it's what Trayvon was doing? Zimmerman's account was that he was walking behind and looking in people's houses as he was walking around. Let's not mention that it's probably a complete and utter lie like the 15 or so other lies he told to embellish this story.

I'm more concerned as to why you took a harmless looking through windows as he's walking around to some kind of super suspicious behavior where he's "sneaking" up to a window like some sort of pervert or criminal?

Does that not say a lot about you and your psyche?

 

[Vicetrailia]

The boy fucking ran away.... He fucking ran. Does that not count for anything? Should he have walked instead? Is fleeing really not good enough here?


Fuck me man.. these people make my blood boil. I cannot stand this shit.

And how does she even GET the jury spot with her husband being a lawyer and her referring to him as a "Boy of color"? Did they purposely throw this case? Its was handled fucking HORRIBLY.

The defense tried to imply that Trayvon came back after successfully fleeing, I guess she believed that at face value too.

 

[DragonSworne]

WHAT!?!

I know -_-

We had week old threads on NeoGAF before the media started even noticing. They didn't create shit. This was a grassroot effort to get Zimmerman charged and the Florida justice system failed once again.

 

[commedieu]

I'm just saying. You changed "looking in windows" as he's walking around to "Sneaking up to" based on what?

Did your subconscious just assume that it's what Trayvon was doing? Zimmerman's account was that he was walking behind and looking in people's houses as he was walking around. Let's not mention that it's probably a complete and utter lie like the 15 or so other lies he told to embellish this story.

I'm more concerned as to why you took a harmless looking through windows as he's walking around to some kind of super suspicious behavior where he's "sneaking" up to a window like some sort of pervert or criminal?

Does that not say a lot about you and your psyche?

Noticed that as well. I know why, but curious as to what the dodge will be.

 

[Xenon]

These racists just don't stop do they?


All of your stuff is complete and utter bullshit, but let's skip to the last part. Zimmerman admitted to killing Trayvon, was at the scene of the crime, was brought in for questioning and interrogated by the police, was sent home that night by the someone from the States Attorney's office and not charged.


Now find me a similar story with black on black crime. You're confusing not apprehending the suspect with catching him and letting him go home. Disgusting.

Fixed that for you. I love how you never let things like the details of the event get in the way of making your point.

 

[Karkador]

Dude was doing his job that day as neighborhood watchman. He saw someone who looked suspicious, contacted police and gone to meet that dude.

Not part of the job description. It's not even a real job.

 

[jordan0386]

A middle finger pic is a popular picture for young people do. LML.

I have several. Shoot me. I guess.

 

[commedieu]

Fixed that for you. I love how you never let things like the details of the event get in the way of making your point.

I love how that detail, changes absolutely nothing about having to prove self defense, in a court of law.

You can't tell the police what happened, then they let you go. The state department as well, can't let murderers go based on their word.

Which is why the internet and Trayvons mother made this trial happen.


You do realize this, right? That its a significant injustice to let Zimmerman walk, without charges, or a trial? Or does the fact that you elaborated his post, make a difference?

I just can't imagine you guys would be accepting of your wife getting shot to death, and the guy eating a steak dinner later.

With no charges.

That is sinking in, yes? That interrogation doesn't = trial?

 

[Hari Seldon]

I'm just saying. You changed "looking in windows" as he's walking around to "Sneaking up to" based on what?

Did your subconscious just assume that it's what Trayvon was doing? Zimmerman's account was that he was walking behind and looking in people's houses as he was walking around. Let's not mention that it's probably a complete and utter lie like the 15 or so other lies he told to embellish this story.

I'm more concerned as to why you took a harmless looking through windows as he's walking around to some kind of super suspicious behavior where he's "sneaking" up to a window like some sort of pervert or criminal?

Does that not say a lot about you and your psyche?

GZs original testimony had Martin behind the town houses, not on the street or sidewalk. So I take that to mean walking in the yard of the town houses and peering through the windows, which is highly suspicious behavior. Just walking along the sidewalk and peering through windows is not necessarily that suspicious, I guess it would depend on body language.

 

[Leucrota]

What a horrible precedent.

Killing an unarmed minor is acceptable because he didn't use good judgement.

...............

No. Fucking. Words.

Literally no one is saying it was acceptable. People are mostly saying that the event is horrible but there is not enough evidence to prove GZ had malicious intent and he very well may have been defending himself, even though he put himself in a shit situation.

 

[Vahagn]

Fixed that for you. I love how you never let things like the details of the event get in the way of making your point.

Kinda like how you didn't want to mention the details of how the detective wanted to charge him for manslaughter but that the higher ups in the justice system had the case dropped? Kinda like those details?


Still doesn't change the point. Saying people are outraged because he was white is a bold faced lie. They were outraged because of the circumstances of the crime, and because he was let go despite there being no question as to who the perpetrator was. There's a reason no one's as pissed off at the Michael Dunn racist murder. Because he was arrested and is being charged.


Comparing the outrage to the Zimmerman fiasco to black on black crime where the perpetrator is charged or never caught is a flat out retarded statement made by racists who think because black people kill black people in the south side of chicago they should be able to kill black people too.

 

[MThanded]

Tragic event.

Public opinion knew from start who is guilty where jury job was to answer if there is reasonable doubt that this is murder case.

So lets see.

Dude was doing his job that day as neighborhood watchman. He saw someone who looked suspicious, contacted police and gone to meet that dude.

Who knows maybe he was racist prick or simply thought he will just talk with that dude.

What later occurred was fight. There is no answer who started fight. This fight led to shooting that young dude died. Zimmerman wasn't unharmed so this wasn't case where he pointed gun at him from safe distance and shoot. There was confrontation. We don't know what happened in that confrontation.

Did Zimmerman tried to approach dude safely just asking "what's going on" "why are you here" ? or he started with aggressive stance and that lead to fist fight.
Did Trevor assumed he was in danger so he fought with Zimmerman or he was also aggressive toward Zimmerman and when Zimmerman tried to stop him verbally or physically from leaving this place (since he called cops) that lead to fight. Noone knows.

This is why jury decided what they decided.
Because there is no legit proof Zimmerman tried to actually murder Trevor. And there is no legit proof he shoot him after fight or he wasn't fighting for his life in that fight.

All there is, are racial stereotypes that white racist killed black man. If zimmerman would be black there would be no public outcry.

This is the worse defense to a minor or any race being dead and I have seen it echoed all over the Internet. It's sad really. The point that you care about neither seems to really illuminate your inner workings.

Nobody should have to die by murder.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Dude was doing his job that day as neighborhood watchman. He saw someone who looked suspicious, contacted police and gone to meet that dude.


e black there would be no public outcry.

He wasn't doing a job, he wasn't on the neighborhood watch. He's basically self appointed.

 

[Xenon]

I love how that detail, changes absolutely nothing about having to prove self defense, in a court of law.

You can't tell the police what happened, then they let you go. The state department as well, can't let murderers go based on their word.

Which is why the internet and Trayvons mother made this trial happen.


You do realize this, right? That its a significant injustice to let Zimmerman walk, without charges, or a trial? Or does the fact that you elaborated his post, make a difference?

I just can't imagine you guys would be accepting of your wife getting shot to death, and the guy eating a steak dinner later.

With no charges.

It makes a huge difference in the point he was trying to make. His post made it seem like Zimmerman went home from the the scene of the crime.

As far as him being released, releasing someone when there was not enough evidence to charge them is not that uncommon. As we have all seen that ended up being true there was not enough to convict him.

 

[Scofield94941]

If Zimmerman was an actually good Neighborhood watch he would have saw Treyvon (by himself) Yelled to him " Excuse me sir, I'm neighborhood watch" Then calmly walk up to him and say "Hi, there have been many breakins around here lately and I'm just scoping out the neighborhood, what are you doing out here tonight? Treyvon would have said "I'm on my way home from the store" Zimmerman could then say " Oh Ok, have a good night sir and be safe"

But instead he calls the cops immediately, racially profile him by saying this guy might be on drugs , he LOOKS Black when he knew he was black. Also says these assholes always get away (Meaning the would not let this one get away) I just dont understand what kind of a piece of shit neighborhood watch calls 911, constantly stares at someone, stalks them in their car, they run and then they pursuit after without identifying that he was trying to help.

 

[TangoAlphaLima]

I'm starting to suspect you won't cite the law you're talking about because you've never read them.

Yup. Don't you know it's better to bash America when you falsely claim your laws aren't substantially similar?

 

[.GqueB.]

He wasn't doing a job, he wasn't on the neighborhood watch. He's basically self appointed.

Pretty sure he was appointed.

 

[Xenon]

Kinda like how you didn't want to mention the details of how the detective wanted to charge him for manslaughter but that the higher ups in the justice system had the case dropped? Kinda like those details?

No I mentioned that the State Attorney's Office made the call.

 

[commedieu]

Avoidable death or homicide is definitely not OK for anybody.

Its looking pretty ok for Zimmerman & his defenders. 1 dead kid, probably some extra money left over from stormfront's donations, well his wife has that whole perjury he and her have to tackle, but all in all..

In florida as long as no witnesses are around, you can shoot black kids. Not even have a trial at first, then have a trial with people who think you did a good job.

Seems like its OK. On paper.

 

[Vahagn]

It makes a huge difference in the point he was trying to make. His post made it seem like Zimmerman went home from the the scene of the crime.

As far as him being released, releasing someone when there was not enough evidence to charge them is not that uncommon. As we have all seen that ended up being true there was not enough to convict him.

There's plenty of evidence to charge him. You're some sort of clown, I'm convinced, who thinks that any case, even ones who are not whodunit's, should not HAVE EVER BEEN TRIED if a jury selects not guilty.

Do you understand how our justice system works? If you kill someone and you're apprehended, you're charged with the crime, and the justice system continues to do it's thing. And no, I didn't think he went home from the scene of the crime and I didn't say that either. I said he was apprehended and went home the same night, which is true.

I suppose all the lynchings in the past in the south should have never went to court because the perpetrators got off too huh?

 

[Flo_Evans]

Shrug, I toss all my mail and all my bills are paid online. I wouldn't even know if I was missing jury duty. Only times I actually look through my mail is when i'm expecting a package. My last two jury summons went to my parents house for a county court when I moved to a different county so I called and told them this not once, but twice and they haven't fixed it, so yea, don't see myself getting on a jury anytime soon.

Are you not registered to vote?

 

[MThanded]

Pretty sure he was appointed.

You are right. Self appointed.

 

[Korey]

Pretty sure he was appointed.

He was self-appointed. He started the neighborhood watch program. Because he's a wannabe failed cop.

 

[.GqueB.]

If Zimmerman was an actually good Neighborhood watch he would have saw Treyvon (by himself) Yelled to him " Excuse me sir, I'm neighborhood watch" Then calmly walk up to him and say "Hi, there have been many breakins around here lately and I'm just scoping out the neighborhood, what are you doing out here tonight? Treyvon would have said "I'm on my way home from the store" Zimmerman could then say " Oh Ok, have a good night sir and be safe"

But instead he calls the cops immediately, racially profile him by saying this guy might be on drugs , he LOOKS Black when he knew he was black. Also says these assholes always get away (Meaning the would not let this one get away) I just dont understand what kind of a piece of shit neighborhood watch calls 911, constantly stares at someone, stalks them in their car, they run and then they pursuit after without identifying that he was trying to help.

They both could've done many things. It was a tragic moment and we all need to move on. I'm not even sure what's being argued in here. People just wanna yell from both sides.

 

[jakonovski]

Like that one dude said, open season on black people is probably pretty close to what Florida lawmakers had in mind. This is what they want.

 

[Omegasquash]

Trevor, yeah.

This is from a guy that talked about the good that Hitler did. Don't expect much.

 

[commedieu]

It makes a huge difference in the point he was trying to make. His post made it seem like Zimmerman went home from the the scene of the crime.

As far as him being released, releasing someone when there was not enough evidence to charge them is not that uncommon. As we have all seen that ended up being true there was not enough to convict him.

Hardly,

He said find a case where those events happened. Multiple events. Your correction just makes the case more spurious. Its like you're correcting him on a typo, then invalidating everything else.

Fact of the matter is that there is no case in american history where a teenager is shot to death, and there are no formal charges brought to the gunman until public outcry forces the hand.

You don't just tell police " I was defending myself." and they let you go. You have a trial.

 

[MThanded]

It's amazing that a valid defense of this crime is that if they were both black no one would care. Speak for yourself. If you think that is a good logical reason to discount the importance of this case then you should really do some soul searching.

And if anything that seems like a good way to devalue the black male even more.

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

All there is, are racial stereotypes that white racist killed black man. If zimmerman would be black there would be no public outcry.

Zimmerman's only half white and has a dominant hispanic appearance. The outrage is that if you're a black youth it's personally reasonable for somebody to stalk and kill you then go without punishment, it had nothing to do with the race of the kiler. Also hypothetical are bullshit, if he was black maybe Zimmerman wouldn't have racially profile Trayvon?

 

[nib95]

This is not true. Second, murder as an act of self defense makes no sense, since murder is the unlawful act of killing someone.

I'm starting to suspect you won't cite the law you're talking about because you've never read them.



http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/schedule/1/paragraph/2



http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/self_defence/

Stop being flippant, I'm using murder only as a descriptor, not as a legal term. In such cases as I've described, the ruling would be manslaughter as I indicated in my post.

The two links you provided absolutely correlate with my post. Also, I DID cite the law in my post, with quotations on direct precedent set in UK cases. I don't know if you are purposely misdirecting or mis-acknowleging, then again, this is exactly as I predicted earlier and exactly what you are well known for on these forums.

Hopefully Misguided till the very end.