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[RionaaM]

Le sigh!

A perfectly reasonable suggestion that has been met with the usual hefty dose of GAF hyperbole and salt.

Firstly, before we all implode with rage, let's remember that it's a filter not a block. If you want to watch porn online, opt in. If you feel too embarrassed / ashamed to do so, then you have a much more deep rooted problem that would probably benefit from a few sessions with a therapist.

As a parent, I am very much in favour of this move, particuarly as I feel pornography portrays unrealistic ideals of sex to minds that are still very much impressionable, from both a female and a male perspective. I'm sorry that a few nerds are going to feel uncomfortable calling up and asking for their web filters to be disabled, but this really is for the greater good.

Why can't you set a porn filter yourself? Why must the government educate your own kids? Why should your comfort make it worse for the rest of the people?

 

[NekoFever]

Ok I'm going to post this again for new page, I use google dns but piratebay is still blocked for me as well as other torrent sites and I have to use proxy sites instead. How come? I'm guessing having google dns will not avoid this block either?

No, changing your DNS won't do anything.

But you won't have this block when it comes in unless you request it, and if you switch provider and it's turned on you can just ask to have it turned off. I'm uncomfortable with this kind of filter but it's not like it's an impenetrable barrier.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

As a parent, I am very much in favour of this move, particuarly as I feel pornography portrays unrealistic ideals of sex to minds that are still very much impressionable, from both a female and a male perspective. I'm sorry that a few nerds are going to feel uncomfortable calling up and asking for their web filters to be disabled, but this really is for the greater good.

So as a parent you'd rather sit back and doing nothing and let the government protect your children?

But you won't have this block when it comes in unless you request it, and if you switch provider and it's turned on you can just ask to have it turned off. I'm uncomfortable with this kind of filter but it's not like it's an impenetrable barrier.

Vodaphone uses a content filtering system that requires me to call them and provide credit card details to prove I'm over 18. That is bullshit.

 

[Joel Was Right]

Wait, i use google dns and it doesn't allow me to get past the torrent filtering on some sites, for example if I try to visit piratebay a blocked image from virgin media appears, so i have to use proxy sites. How would google dns get around this?

Good question

 

[SmokyDave]

Why can't you set a porn filter yourself? Why must the government educate your own kids? Why should your comfort make it worse for the rest of the people?

There are a ton of things that we ought to be able to trust parents to do, but we can't.

I'm not buying 'parent better' as an argument. It's what should happen, but outside of some sort of hypothetical, it's not what's going to happen. Shit / lazy parents will be shit / lazy parents.

Again though, a filter ain't going to do shit. We need full and frank sex education throughout primary and secondary school.

 

[Blair]

Maybe there should be a filter for the daily mail where you need a coupon to get the pages with the homophobic rants from behind the counter.

 

[RionaaM]

There are a ton of things that we ought to be able to trust parents to do, but we can't.

I'm not buying 'parent better' as an argument. It's what should happen, but outside of some sort of hypothetical, it's not what's going to happen. Shit / lazy parents will be shit / lazy parents.

Again though, a filter ain't going to do shit. We need full and frank sex education throughout primary and secondary school.

Exactly. Proper education is the only way of fixing this. Not making the government take the role that lazy or inept parents are unable to fulfill.

 

[arena08]

There are a ton of things that we ought to be able to trust parents to do, but we can't.

I'm not buying 'parent better' as an argument. It's what should happen, but outside of some sort of hypothetical, it's not what's going to happen. Shit / lazy parents will be shit / lazy parents.

Again though, a filter ain't going to do shit. We need full and frank sex education throughout primary and secondary school.

Education is the only correct approach, and even then there will be sexual deviancy. It always has been, and always will be human nature.

The distressing thing about this policy is firstly that it reveals just how out-of-touch the government is with the internet. It shows a complete lack of understanding and a real naivety. Secondly, and more importantly is the attack on personal freedom. Censorship in any form is not acceptable and I would hope that this gets through to Cameron and co. as they push this legislation further.

 

[Acorn]

Education is the only correct approach, and even then there will be sexual deviancy. It always has been, and always will be human nature.

The distressing thing about this policy is firstly that it reveals just how out-of-touch the government is with the internet. It shows a complete lack of understanding and a real naivety. Secondly, and more importantly is the attack on personal freedom. Censorship in any form is not acceptable and I would hope that this gets through to Cameron and co. as they push this legislation further.

The argument will be framed as "You are against this, therefore you are for kiddie porn", I guarantee it.

 

[pulsemyne]

Because of this more children then ever will die to train accidents after hunting for porn in it's traditional habitat. Railways sidings will be busier than ever.

 

[Johnlenham]

Because of this more children then ever will die to train accidents after hunting for porn in it's traditional habitat. Railways sidings will be busier than ever.

Shhhh!! everyone looks in the woods but the railway is the real treasure trove.

 

[arena08]

The argument will be framed as "You are against this, therefore you are for kiddie porn", I guarantee it.

Oh of course, I don't doubt it for a second. I imagine it's why they think it will get through. It's a bit flimsy though once enough people speak out about it. Which they are doing judging from comments on the BBC article, here and Twitter.

 

[CharlieDigital]

If this kind of block does end up being put into place, two things will happen:

a) it's gone within next decade
b) kids will find a way around it because kids are smart horny

Fixed for accuracy

 

[Burgess_101]

I honestly couldn't believe this when my mate told me. I would say have an opt in rather than opt out but we already do have an opt in, it would take a parent 5 mins to search these things if they really cared. All I can say is kids looked at porn before the internet and will continue to do so no matter what.

 

[Metalmarc]

How strict are the filters? Just for porn? I doubt it even the filtering software that exists blocks simple queries by mistake

Say someone wanted to search for

Pussy cat
Pussy willow
Fanny pack (fanny doesnt mean the bottom in the uk)
Cockadoodledoo
Cockrel
sCUNThorpe
ARSEnal
Blue tits
Faggots (legitimate food item)
Cock soup
Dick grayson
Spotted dick (desert)



What if a boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wife/lover whatever wanted to search privately for anal lube/sextoys from the provacy of their own home without the embaressment of walking into a sex store? Or condoms bless them

Or for that matter what if someone wanted to google a sexual related illness? Or sexual advice, From the privacy of their own home are they supposed to ring their ISP? To remove pron filters, When they may already be to embaressed in the first place

What about someone whos looking to come out and want to look up advice from gay websites, especially when the uk just allowed gay marriage


What about googling bands like

Anal Cunt
Nashville Pussy
Gay for johnny depp ( yes its a band, not my cuppa tea, but why should someone not be allowed to check their tourdates etc)
Pissing Razors

What about the place called twatt in scotland?


Fuck you cameron you vile piece of shit

 

[Acorn]

Oh of course, I don't doubt it for a second. I imagine it's why they think it will get through. It's a bit flimsy though once enough people speak out about it. Which they are doing judging from comments on the BBC article, here and Twitter.

Hopefully enough people engage the issue beyond the surface level but I'm doubtful.

 

[CharlieDigital]

And this is my point. So many posts about "you should do this, you should educate them, you should say this.." etc. GAF does not seem to realise that raising a child is not like reading a parenting manual and applying things that should work in theory.

To use your example above. Of course I've spoken to them about this kind of thing. However, a parent's words are never going to trump peer pressure, and if many of their peers have access to this material and actively force expectations, then there's not a lot I can do as a parent. I'd much rather that the potential for their peers to access this material was severely limited.

In addition, I've noticed a lot of "I didn't have a computer / phone until I was 16/18" type posts. Life has changed a lot, and kids mostly have phones when they hit secondary school, and internet usage has become so pervasive, that my kids cannot even check their homework diaries without being online. Everything is done almost exclusively online now, meaning regular access to a computer is pretty much a necessity.

This statement makes an initial assumption that the viewing of the nude human body is somehow inherently bad.

Why should the viewing of the nude human form be inherently "bad"?

 

[Burgess_101]

How strict are the filters? Just for porn? I doubt it even the filtering software that exists blocks simple queries by mistake

Say someone wanted to search for

Pussy cat
Pussy willow
Fanny pack (fanny doesnt mean the bottom in the uk)
Cockadoodledoo
Cockrel
sCUNThorpe
ARSEnal
Blue tits
Faggots (legitimate food item)
Cock soup
Dick grayson
Spotted dick (desert)



What if a boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wife/lover whatever wanted to search privately for anal lube/sextoys from the provacy of their own home without the embaressment of walking into a sex store? Or condoms bless them

Or for that matter what if someone wanted to google a sexual related illness? Or sexual advice, From the privacy of their own home are they supposed to ring their ISP? To remove pron filters, When they may already be to embaressed in the first place

What about someone whos looking to come out and want to look up advice from gay websites, especially when the uk just allowed gay marriage


What about googling bands like

Anal Cunt
Nashville Pussy
Gay for johnny depp ( yes its a band, not my cuppa tea, but why should someone not be allowed to check their tourdates etc)
Pissing Razors

What about the place called twatt in scotland?


Fuck you cameron you vile piece of shit

and water sports.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

What a victory for them.

Do these people have an ounce of self-awareness? They probably do, but that makes just that more insidious.

 

[Psychotext]

Good question

They block the IPs, which you still try to get via your ISP even if you're using someone else's DNS.

 

[thelatestmodel]

Education is the only correct approach, and even then there will be sexual deviancy. It always has been, and always will be human nature.

The distressing thing about this policy is firstly that it reveals just how out-of-touch the government is with the internet. It shows a complete lack of understanding and a real naivety. Secondly, and more importantly is the attack on personal freedom. Censorship in any form is not acceptable and I would hope that this gets through to Cameron and co. as they push this legislation further.

Spot on, thank you. My thoughts exactly.

 

[Burgess_101]

With this whole rape block thing what does this apply to? Because there are a lot of movies and books that have it.

 

[ghst]

while the idea that every john and jane has to actively report in to a private authority just to get a good ogle at some norks is onerous enough on its own, the even more alarming threat here is that it gives the government a legacy framework with which they can flip a switch and put any website they deem dangerously unfit for british consumption behind the great beaded curtain.

i remember when they first blocked the pirate bay and there was a whole bunch of legislative shit they had to wade through just to prove that the one site was a den of purest illegality, now, with that precedent set, they can hack through any number of torrent sites and their proxies with reckless abandon.

even if you don't find cameron and his condom skinned peers to be a largely despicable bunch of sincerity vacuums, what about the next guy, what about the guy after that? do you really want a system in place where any website can be flagged or blocked off according to the moral concerns of the current bunch monkeys pulling levers in westminster?

this isn't about tits and scrot, it's about control. they're just taking the path of least resistance, wielding a pressure group of curtain twitching middle england cunts like a spear of inflamed sensibilities.

 

[Psychotext]

wielding a pressure group of curtain twitching middle england cunts like a spear of inflamed sensibilities.

Who will speak out for them when they outlaw wifeswapping?

 

[arena08]

while the idea that every john and jane has to actively report in to a private authority just to get a good ogle at some norks is onerous enough on its own, the even more alarming threat here is that it gives the government a legacy framework with which they can flip a switch and put any website they deem dangerously unfit for british consumption behind the great beaded curtain.

i remember when they first blocked the pirate bay and there was a whole bunch of legislative shit they had to wade through just to prove that the one site was a den of purest illegality, now, with that precedent set, they can hack through any number of torrent sites and their proxies with reckless abandon.

even if you don't find cameron and his condom skinned peers to be a largely despicable bunch of sincerity vacuums, what about the next guy, what about the guy after that? do you really want a system in place where any website can be flagged or blocked off according to the moral concerns of the current bunch monkeys pulling levers in westminster?

this isn't about tits and scrot, it's about control. they're just taking the path of least resistance, wielding a pressure group of curtain twitching middle england cunts like a spear of inflamed sensibilities.

 

[Bony Manifesto]

while the idea that every john and jane has to actively report in to a private authority just to get a good ogle at some norks is onerous enough on its own, the even more alarming threat here is that it gives the government a legacy framework with which they can flip a switch and put any website they deem dangerously unfit for british consumption behind the great beaded curtain.

I don't think they've thought that far ahead. Aren't they expecting ISPs to be the ones to implement and manage (and pay) for all of this?

 

[Psychotext]

I don't think they've thought that far ahead. Aren't they expecting ISPs to be the ones to implement and manage (and pay) for all of this?

There will be methods for the government (or an agency of the government) to add to the block list.

 

[Commander Jameson]

this isn't about tits and scrot, it's about control. they're just taking the path of least resistance, wielding a pressure group of curtain twitching middle england cunts like a spear of inflamed sensibilities.

Indeed. Plus, not only are you having to trust this current shitty government not to overstep its limits, you are having to trust every single future government to do the same.

 

[cyberheater]

Why should the decisions of stupid parents affect the rest of us?

How does it affect you. You can contact your ISP and simply opt out.

As a parent. I'm glad they are doing it.

 

[MJLord]

Indeed. Plus, not only are you having to trust this current shitty government not to overstep its limits, you are having to trust every single future government to do the same.

Exactly this is the worrying thing.

 

[Staccat0]

This is completely fucking insane. You have to call your ISP and say, "yo dawg, I like porn." and they hide that behind kiddie porn?

The only people that dont are liars.

SO you mean, the only people who don't watch porn, claim to watch it, but secretly don't? I love porn, but plenty of people genuinely don't watch it.

 

[ghst]

How does it affect you. You can contact your ISP and simply opt out.

As a parent. I'm glad they are doing it.

then you're the exact kind of near-sighted fodder through which the government will justify giving your kids a more authoritarian future.

when the dust has settled and your grown up kids are signing in to cameronserve 2.0, i'm sure they'll thank you for keeping all the terrors of an unrestricted internet at bay.

 

[Ziltoid]

How does it affect you. You can contact your ISP and simply opt out.

As a parent. I'm glad they are doing it.

It doesn't. My government isn't trying to force moralizing laws down our throats, at least not yet.

Why can't you and other parents set up a filter yourselves? The result is the same, but with less tax dollars wasted.

 

[Blair]

How does it affect you. You can contact your ISP and simply opt out.

As a parent. I'm glad they are doing it.

I don't have kids and no kids have access to my internet. What does this shit have to do with me? Whats the logic in automatically gimping my internet on purchase? Why not make the filter opt in which makes perfect sense.

 

[Jackben]

Why isn't this opt-in for everyone? There ZERO logical or sensible arguments for not having it this way.

 

[Staccat0]

How does it affect you. You can contact your ISP and simply opt out.

As a parent. I'm glad they are doing it.

Be honest. Be Genuine. Can you not set up parental controls on a modern computer yourself?

 

[DBT85]

Motorboat sales will plummet.

 

[Walshicus]

How does it affect you. You can contact your ISP and simply opt out.

As a parent. I'm glad they are doing it.

As a parent, if you gave a shit about this sort of thing you should opt *in*.

 

[Vashetti]

All of the parents in this thread claiming they're glad it's happening, why haven't you set up your own measures to stop your children from accessing it?

Why do you have to rely on the government to police the content your children are viewing?

 

[Deaf Spacker]

All of the parents in this thread claiming they're glad it's happening, why haven't you set up your own measures to stop your children from accessing it?

Why do you have to rely on the government to police the content your children are viewing?

A few have answered but their excuses are pathetic.

 

[Grieves]

Cameron can't even get branding off of cigarette packages!

He's in it for the headlines then it will quietly die when he realises that he hasn't got a cat in hell's chance of making this work.

 

[Bony Manifesto]

There will be methods for the government (or an agency of the government) to add to the block list.

But no more than there already is (unless I'm missing something).

 

[Psychotext]

But no more than there already is (unless I'm missing something).

There is no block list of any form at the moment. If you want a website killed you have to try and kill it in court, and then it's only a voluntary agreement that has the ISPs doing anything about it (See Pirate Bay). That's assuming you can't get the hosts to take it down of course.

 

[Deaf Spacker]

Cameron keeps saying that new computers will come with filters, he hasn't got a clue and I'm finding this embarrassing.

 

[cyberheater]

Be honest. Be Genuine. Can you not set up parental controls on a modern computer yourself?

I've googled stuff like that for my Mac. But it's a minefield and lots of it require a cash payment. And what about my iPad, iPhone, Xbox360, PS4, WiiU etc....

As a parent, if you gave a shit about this sort of thing you should opt *in*.

If they offered me a opt-in I would use it. But that option is not on the cards.

 

[Nevasleep]

Probably posted a billions times, but:

 

[DBT85]

I am in favour of an opt out block on the Daily Mail. We could probably get the required number of sigs on the govt petition site.

 

[The Cowboy]

How does it affect you. You can contact your ISP and simply opt out.

As a parent. I'm glad they are doing it.

And why exactly should someone have to contact their ISP and basically state "I watch porn!" - which is exactly what an opt out option does.

Its perfectly fine if the system was.
Customer "Hi, can I put the filter on my connection please, I want to restrict access to porn sites"
Instead of.
Customer "Hi, can you remove the filter from my connection please, I watch porn".

People should not have to essentially admit to watching porn to complete strangers because the government is doing this system backwards (parents should have to opt into this, not the other way around).

 

[cyberheater]

And why exactly should someone have to contact their ISP and basically state "I watch porn!" - which is exactly what an opt out option does.

Its perfectly fine if the system was.
Customer "Hi, can I put the filter on my connection please, I want to restrict access to porn sites"
Instead of.
Customer "Hi, can you remove the filter from my connection please, I watch porn".

People should not have to essentially admit to watching porn to complete strangers because the government is doing this system backwards.

If you're ashamed to watch porn then you probably shouldn't be doing it.

 

[Capital_Five]

Bullshit. Either teach your children about porn and install your own filter or deal with the consequences of being a shit parent. It shouldn't effect me AT ALL because you decided to have children. At the very least its your job to opt into something like this, not mine to opt out. Censorship as a default is just bad form.