they did it with the PSP. there's no reason they can't do it with the PS4 as well.
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they did it with the PSP. there's no reason they can't do it with the PS4 as well.
Sho_Nuff82
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And yet BF4 is 1080p 60fps on both.
5.5 million bears and salmon joined together to sack Sony HQ. Pretty cut and dry.
After Sony's HQ is sacked, I guarantee the bears are going to backstab and have salmon sashimi as a celebratory lunch.
phosphor112
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Well, barely. The PS4 GPU has 2 more CUs than the 7850 (18 vs. 16) and 5% more TFLOPS. The XB1 GPU has 2 more CUs than the 7770 (12 vs. 10) and 3% less TFLOPS. Bandwidth requirements are also inherently lower with less powerful GPUs - it's why the 7970, 7850, and 7770 achieve 288GB/s, 153GB/s, and 72GB/s respectively.
edit: I thought the 7770 had 8 CUs, not 10. My mistake.
FlutterPuffs
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Yeah, I wouldn't hope for it, but remember that they did underclock the PSP.
James Sawyer Ford
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He's saying he wouldn't be surprised if they did this.
I just don't think it's a possibility.
Removing an OS footprint? Sure, I can see that.
Upclocking by 200MHz? I don't see that as being a possibility. PSP was an exception that I believe was upclocked because they went extremely conservative on the clock rate due to battery times. I think Sony went with the clock rate that they could for launch, and there was no need to be overly conservative about it (unlike the PSP).
Maybe he finally saw Wonderful 101 or Pikmin.
Though I do wonder if they'd very quickly free it up if what the XB1 does with its RAM fails to catch on?
We don't know that yet. Targets and goals are not the same as thing.
Except it was designed to operate at 2.3 tf but downclocked to allow for the system to grow. While it is unlikely, Sony have done this once with the psp. I'm not expecting it but it is plausible.
Indeed, especially when 4K TV's become mainstream, people will want 4K gaming. Hope we won't have a repeat of PS3/360 with sub-4K resolutions though
Not with the current form factor of the PS4, they'd need to increase the airflow and the size of the unit to accommodate a bigger fan.
Are we living in a world where the Vita OS doesn't exist or something?
FlutterPuffs
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It's a clunky, jerky experience because they didn't allocate enough ram in the first place. This time they did.
James Sawyer Ford
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Wait, is this true? It was designed to operate at 2.3 tf?
I wonder why they decide to downclock it to 800 MHz, there has to be some sort of yield/heating issue.
And Sony can't just upclock the PS4 in two years if it bricks launch consoles.
Nightengale
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A lot of people don't own a Vita, sadly.
I've always said that Vita is a much more rational benchmark of what to expect from the PS4, compared to the PS3... but alas, people love to look at PS3's poor performance and base that.
eddfromtheriver
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Great post.
Andronicus
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so its 5.5 Games 2.5 OS? shit storm continues as ram allotment for OS is 500mb larger than most expected......*blankstare*
And yet it's a cross gen title.
It's amazing to think that next gen we'll have systems whose sequestered ram for future proofing alone is more than twice of what's available in current gen system and half of what's available on WiiU (classification of RAM type notwithstanding) overall and equal to what's reserved for games.
Frame rate was confirmed, not the resolution. It'll be 1080p, whether native or upscaled, is unknown.
Frame rate was confirmed, not the resolution. It'll be 1080p, whether native or upscaled, is unknown.
Excellent post, if confirmed (1.5GB+ 1GB + 1GB) this would make A LOT more of sense.
Don't confuse speed and bandwidth. They're not the same.
DDR3 is perfect for OS related stuff. Not as much for gaming, but when you're talking 5GB dedicated, its still pretty good.
Latvian Hitman
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Jumping the gun a little, there. 1080p is not confirmed for either console, let alone both.
Resolution is not confirmed, though framerate is.
You may or may not be already aware, but there's so, so much more in graphics than res and framerate.
It's definitely for yields. Same reason the Jaguar cores are clocked at 1.6 GHz even though they go up to 2 GHz in retail.
Sho_Nuff82
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...the guy above posted a BF3 benchmark.
Kazuma Kiryu
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That doesn't invalidate his argument.
You could say the same for the Xbone's GPU - it's a bit beefier than a stock 7770. (12 CUs vs. a 7770's 10) Also, some 7770s have less VRAM (1 - 2GB), so if the tested card was one with the lesser amount, I could see that having been a bottleneck for those benchmarks.
I suppose it's decent for a very general relative comparison, but the finer points of the graphical capabilities won't really be revealed until we see first-party titles that actually push these systems to their limits (and by that I mean a good while after launch), or if 3rd party games start to take advantage of the PS4's stronger specs (higher resolution, locked at higher FPS, more/better AA), and based on what one of the insiders mentioned, it doesn't sound like they're bothering currently, at least not at the outset.
Still, it's plainly obvious that the PS4 has notably better horsepower either way.
I believe the PS4s GPU has more than just more ROPS compared to the 7850. It also has 130 more stream processes, 8 more texture units, 137GBps more memory bandwidth etc. Oh and lots of unique customisations too.
This whole RAm thing blew up because of the gaming implications (or lack thereof).
huh?
Also, the biggest change between retail 7850 and what's in PS4 is down 8 ACE and the entire GPU being designed around GPGPU functionality.
GoofsterStud
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It's 500mb less than I expected...
Especially after what they did with the Vita.
/dissapointed
FairXchange
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Don't know why I took a look at the comments section of the IGN rumour article on this topic, but I did. Not doing that again.
Then why did you bring in BF4? He was just trying to show differences between of the shelf GPU equivalents.
My point was that BF4 is not really pushing either xbone or PS4.
Tricky I Shadow
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WAIT! I just realized that this is a different thread from yesterday with over 100 new pages. Yikes.
The fact that this is getting so much attention is hilarious........some of you guys are just too much.
The fact that this is getting so much attention is hilarious........some of you guys are just too much.
Lion Heart
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Hmm, thats interesting, nice hypothesis. I would actually be happy with "flexible" ram in that case (and the extra 1 gig for the OS transferred to games) since it would be beneficial to the user experience 100% of the time instead of 50% or whatever.
BigJonsson
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They wouldn't be this powerful if they were just for games, they wouldn't be profitable enough to justify the hardware
*pushes over magazine, nay, RAM racks*
Not if they're dedicating up to 2.5GB to it.
This news makes me happy. I want both consoles yo have a snappy OS for the WHOLE generation.
ROPs are the same (32) between the 7850 and PS4, and the bandwidth difference is 23GB/s, not 137GB/s. The XB1 also has 128 more stream processors (I'm not sure if that's the right name anymore), and 8 more texture units than the 7770. It all scales proportionately with the number of CUs.
I know, I'm just saying.
Even 4GB GDDR5 dedicated to gaming is phenomenal.
I think people forget that.
Kenshin001
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Pretty much. We're living in a world where hardly anyone owns one.
Sorry meant to say 23GB/s. What's the bandwidth of a 7770's ram compared to the XO?
Sho_Nuff82
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The argument that the 7850 outperforms the 7770 in a PC environment with nearly double the framerate in identical resolutions?
Why haven't we seen this hinted by even one multiplatform developer for these consoles?
Chobel
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I think 7770 have more VRAM than Xbox1 a lot more, XB1 have only 32MB SDRAM and ddr3 isn't considered VRAM.
Because they want their game to sell.
Chobel
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Maybe for example PS4 85fps and XBox one 62 fps and because both are locked to 60fps we don't see any difference.
Source?
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