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[digoutyoursoul]

Thought he comes across as a prick, made a brilliant game in Fez though, respect him for that.

 

[imBask]

My comment was relatively unrelated to Phil Fish and more directed at your depiction of mental illness. It's not something that makes him unnacountable, but needs to be considered when judging him.

You can't "handle like an adult" when it happens. It's not under your control. AT ALL. You should know that.

then you seek for treatment and you close your twitter because it's clearly a source of problem. I won't take "he was bipolar" as an excuse to insult people in that case

 

[Apdiddy]

If Phil Fish is leaving the video game industry, what makes anyone think he can do well or handle a more normal line of work? If he joins corporate America, he will still have problems. Other jobs require you to be criticized if you make a mistake or get called into task over a decision you make. I really don't see Phil Fish being able to handle that -- some people working in business get downright vicious and vindictive over every little thing.

I don't have a problem with Phil Fish's comments nor him leaving video games or think FEZ is a great game or an awful game, I'm just more speaking for my concern for him as a person.

 

[Northeastmonk]

He thought he was doing the industry a favor, yet his didn't realize the ocean he was swimming in was ten times larger and he was just a guppy.

I have no respect for any developer (god knows an indie developer) who does this childish rant. Your product is a waste of money to me.

If he hates gaming, then quit. Don't act like a child and ruin it for the rest of us.

 

[NaughtyCalibur]

I want to see the fallout if he's trolling, lol. Dat drama.

He's almost certainly trolling, but he's a troll in the rawest form. He won't come out and say, "LOL JUST KIDDING, GUYS!" Instead he'll make an announcement that Fez II is back in production whenever he's ready, and accredit his change of heart to some crazy bullshit that'll get him the headlines and attention he craves so much.

 

[Fewr]

and all because of overreacting gamers, such a shame

Dry your eyes mate, I know it's hard to take but his mind has been made up

Not sure what happened past this morning bit I think he really did drive himself to this. He's just a very aggressive, cocky, and immature person and not without a great deal of self doubt. He lashes out needlessly and I'm not surprised that he can't handle going down the path he's been going for a while now. A shame, as he's talented, but maybe he'll learn a few things and come back all the stronger for it. An alternative would be to just focus on making the game and limit time spent on the interacting with the community and journalists. Maybe hire someone else to handle it for now.

Agree.

 

[Salsa]

You've gotta draw a distinction between liking attention and being an attention whore, though. The first is understandable. The second, not so much. Especially when it looks like you're going out of your way to try and generate controversy just to get yourself on peoples' radar. That's how Phil Fish comes off to me with some of the things he says and does.

I just can't understand what warrants the world actively being pissed at him and not letting go of a couple of opinions ONE RANDOM DUDE shared. I honestly think people caught wind of it cause it felt weird and honest among a bunch of industry opinions that are much more carefully crafted and again, fake. Apparently if you make a game and say "yeah I think japanese games suck, sorry" you deserve to leave the industry and nothing you will ever say again has any relevance nor deserves a response other than "go die faggot" or whatever.

his methods were clearly as jokey and uneffective as the attacks (basically responding with the same thing he was being attacked with), but my problem is that I dont understand the attacks on the first place.

 

[Uthred]

Because they had treatment and Fish probably hasn't? The fact that you just posted a list of rich people with a mental disorder means that they have gone treatment and know how to deal with it, or just have someone that prevents them from having public meltdowns.

Yeah because Fish must be flat broke right now. Poor bastard. Theres no possible way he could get treatment if does actually have legitimate mental issues.

 

[Sadist]

I still think he's joking (the bipolar thing explains it) but man, hearing the GT thing I can't really disagree with what Beer said. Sure, calling him (and Blow) out isn't the most classy thing to do, but he's right about it being a two-way street.

Thinking back about all the stuff he said on twitter, it might be a good idea to leave the industry for a while. While "honesty" is needed, there are times where shutting up is the smart thing to do. Something Fish doesn't understand.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

You have no idea. There's a depression thread here and it's amazing that people entered the thread and just said "deal with it".

So to the people saying that you can't use mental problem card: you're part of the fucking problem.

Bullshit.
You don't show utter contempt for people who paid money for your game and insult people without remorse and then accuse them of 'abusing' you for biting back. The bipolar thing doesn't excuse any of his behaviour.

 

[Canis lupus]

See, among twitter personalities that piss me off, I'm putting Marcus Beer in with Gies and Orth.

Yes, a boar will rampage regardless, but there's no need to aggravate it any further. Beer's the asshole here as far as I'm concerned.

Word. I never liked Phil Fish ever since he made that comment about Japanese games, but what I hate more is people being assholes like Beer. Fucking overreaction, where is the love? Annoyed gamer? More like annoying gamer.

 

[AmaterasuOkami076]

Wow, this comment:

Phil, I don’t know if you’re reading this, and a part of me hopes you aren’t because of these jerks trying to hurt your feelings, but here goes.

You are without a doubt the greatest creative mind this industry has ever seen. Every word you’ve ever spoken has been laced with the water of hearty truth, and you’re not afraid to speak your mind just because some online trolls deem it unsuitable. The industry simply wasn’t ready for a man of your claliber, and, if this recent debacle is any indication, I doubt that they ever will be.

You rock, man. Fez was the greatest game I have ever played, and ever day that goes by from this point forward, I’ll always retain a small glimmer of hope that you die you pathetic fucking manchild. Fez was insanely derivative and a pretty poor offering besides. You are one of the most unpleasant people it has ever been my displeasure to share a planet with. The gaming industry and Canada would be better places if you just fucking hanged yourself already you childish, arrogant cunt.

Suck my dick.

Choke on it.

That took a quick turn.

 

[Row]

luckily for us overhyped indie platformers are a dime a dozen so...bye?

 

[BocoDragon]

This guy dishes out a lot of shit. I really thought he was a master troll. Taking this so sensitively surprises me.

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

Phil Fish is the victim of some pretty intense bullying, and a lot of people here seem to revel in that fact. Many are engaging in victim blaming. I suppose some of you feel that making a video game means you should be held to a higher standard than other people for some reason?

Clearly the guy is emotional and a bit unhinged. Is that also a good reason for people to mistreat him? Do you actually want people to suffer because they weren't polite to bullies?

Here are some tweets by Sophie Houlden

I agree with the last one the most. Definitely.

 

[terrdactycalsrock]

Abuse? Get the fuck over yourself. God damn drama queen.

He'll be back....watch.

He will be. Just look at that tweet he posted about being a trending topic. Even if he is legitimately angry he is to addicted to the attention.

 

[Metallix87]

Another proud moment for gamers.

If you're celebrating this...well, I'd insult you, but sociopaths don't give a shit when you tell them they're a jerk. They just laugh.

Oh please. Fish is a narcissist and a drama queen. Don't defend him because he's throwing another fit.

 

[smr00]

Phil Fish is the victim of some pretty intense bullying, and a lot of people here seem to revel in that fact. Many are engaging in victim blaming. I suppose some of you feel that making a video game means you should be held to a higher standard than other people for some reason?

Clearly the guy is emotional and a bit unhinged. Is that also a good reason for people to mistreat him? Do you actually want people to suffer because they weren't polite to bullies?

Here are some tweets by Sophie Houlden

1.Make twitter private
2.Stop giving a fuck what faceless people on the internet are saying about you
3.If you suffer from some kind of mental illness, get fucking help.

I don't sympathize for someone who acts like an asshole and has a god complex and proceeds to have a meltdown because he can't log-off the internet for 10 minutes and just ignore the bullshit. We don't live in some fairytale land, when you are famous or semi-famous you are going to get bombarded with haters every day.

It's not like these people are physically pushing him around and calling him names to his face, it's on the internet. You know how you deal with that? You fucking ignore it. The people who get bullied day-day outside of the internet get my sympathy. The ones who go to school every day only to be met with shoves into the locker, beat down on the school yard and physical/mental abuse at home. The guy can solve all his problems by simply not reacting and ignoring the emails and tweets.

 

[Mr.Marston]

See, among twitter personalities that piss me off, I'm putting Marcus Beer in with Gies and Orth.

Yes, a boar will rampage regardless, but there's no need to aggravate it any further. Beer's the asshole here as far as I'm concerned.

Yes. Yes he is.

They're both irritating but I enjoyed Fez.... Phil Fish can proud of what he accomplished with that game.

 

[TheRealTalker]

In the end no one wins with this... people may not like his attitude but still no human should go through the constant backbiting/annoying question asking/over the top reacting bs that he and some other devs/companies get from certain individuals that know nothing of the industry

 

[TheSpoiler]

Have you ever had bi-polar disorder? Please, I don't mean this to be attacking at all, but do some research. You don't "snap out of" mental illnesses.

For three years, I dated someone with a severe case. The easiest way to describe it would be pretty much this:

Bouts of depression, anger, confusion, and just the shittiest feeling always following you when you don't want it. There are days, even weeks, where that monkey-on-the-back doesn't crop up.

It forces the person to be aggressive and hateful, even weirdly alert. It keeps you up and you don't sleep.

She didn't take meds, so some episodes were worse than others. She nearly killed me three times. But there's a level of consciousness that a person has, and those actions aren't always completely dictated of depression.

So it's shitty, it makes you feel shitty, and you do shitty things. But those episodes aren't permanent (well, to an extent), and nothing could possibly stop Fish from deleting his Twitter.

 

[iavi]

Phil Fish played a poor Kanye. Open your mouth from a position where everyone'll hear, and you'll have, naturally, rebuttals from every direction. You're supposed to both expect, and be hardened for the talk, though.

I respect him as the designer of Fez, but making a HUGE stink like this, over the reactions from his own words--when his actual baby was received extremely well, no less--just reeks of shite.

Fuck off, fish.

 

[HarryDemeanor]

What he needs to do is come back.. either masked or have some guy pretend to be the maker of the game.

Make a new game have all good press, get rave reviews. Then jump on stage and be like BOOYYAAA FUCKERS IT WAS ME ALL ALONG SUCK MY DICK AGAIN!

Would be classic.

Aw son of a bitch.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

I just can't understand what warrants the world actively being pissed at him and not letting go of a couple of opinions ONE RANDOM DUDE shared. I honestly think people caught wind of it cause it felt weird and honest among a bunch of industry opinions that are much more carefully crafted and again, fake. Apparently if you make a game and say "yeah I think japanese games suck, sorry" you deserve to leave the industry and nothing you will ever say again has any relevance nor deserves a response other than "go die faggot" or whatever.

his methods were clearly as jokey and uneffective as the attacks (basically responding with the same thing he was being attacked with), but my problem is that I dont understand the attacks on the first place.

it was actually more about how he constantly insulted people and then complained that he was being bullied when people responded to that, and then constantly gave his opinion on everything willingly while acting like people who asked him for his opinion were idiots

 

[Skull Leader]

Phil Fish is the victim of some pretty intense bullying, and a lot of people here seem to revel in that fact. Many are engaging in victim blaming. I suppose some of you feel that making a video game means you should be held to a higher standard than other people for some reason?

Clearly the guy is emotional and a bit unhinged. Is that also a good reason for people to mistreat him? Do you actually want people to suffer because they weren't polite to bullies?

Here are some tweets by Sophie Houlden

Tweet these responses to Sophie for me (no Twitter):

1) Ignore it. It's the internet. Anonymity makes people grow bigger balls and tits than they really have. Accept this fact, and move on.

2) Fish is not a victim. He cultivated this personality himself. He has repeatedly been abusive towards others before any real harassment began.

3) You can say what you want, when you want, but if you're too goddamn stupid to say it with tact, don't be surprised when people respond negatively.

 

[sam27368]

As someone who works in the industry, I can completely sympathize with Fish. Whilst I'm not a "celebrity" like Fish is, working on something personal that you love to have it be completely torn apart from trolls is something that is really hard to stomach. Yes you can avoid the internet, and yes everyone is entitled to their opinion.
But I can imagine getting it constantly and daily like Fish does is a huge burden, I'm surprised he hasn't left earlier.

 

[Riposte]

Unrelated to Fish, just because you know or knew someone who is bipolar, does not mean you know exactly how it works or are necessarily sympathetic to it.

It's like when people assume they can't be racist because they have black (or whatever other race) friends lol. It doest work like that.

You misunderstand. I'm not saying I'm an expert, I'm saying you cannot make me be cautious about talking about someone with bipolar because it is not unknown to me. Yes, responsibility of the individual plays a huge part of how it affects their lives. If Phil Fish's infamous rude, attention-seeker twitter persona is a manifestation of his condition, then he is being very irresponsible about it. And people on the receiving end of that are free to vocalize their disgust over it. If you would honestly have me believe he is so hopeless, then we need to call someone to pick him up right now, because the depressive states of bipolar are very dangerous (and more frequent).

Anyone who constantly reacts in this manner is not right in the head.

"Not right in the head" doesn't necessarily mean bi-polar though.

 

[Velkyn]

Phil Fish is the victim of some pretty intense bullying, and a lot of people here seem to revel in that fact. Many are engaging in victim blaming. I suppose some of you feel that making a video game means you should be held to a higher standard than other people for some reason?

Clearly the guy is emotional and a bit unhinged. Is that also a good reason for people to mistreat him? Do you actually want people to suffer because they weren't polite to bullies?

Here are some tweets by Sophie Houlden

That doesn't make Phil look like the victim, it makes him look like the bully.

 

[njean777]

Yeah because Fish must be flat broke right now. Poor bastard. Theres no possible way he could get treatment if does actually have legitimate mental issues.

The funny part is he lives in canada, I thought they had free healthcare... I don't know anything about their mental healthcare tbh, but I think it still may be free, feel free to correct me.

 

[Delusibeta]

Phil Fish is the victim of some pretty intense bullying, and a lot of people here seem to revel in that fact. Many are engaging in victim blaming. I suppose some of you feel that making a video game means you should be held to a higher standard than other people for some reason?

Honestly? When was the last time a famous (or e-famous, in this case) person wasn't held to a higher standard than Johnny Derp or Jane Troll?

 

[braves01]

I'm waiting for "Phil Fish returns to games industry; shows new game"

So, yeah, stunt for publicity, marketing hype down the road, and/or privacy while he works on his next game.

 

[amr]

Bullshit.
You don't show utter contempt for people who paid money for your game and insult people without remorse and then accuse them of 'abusing' you for biting back. The bipolar thing doesn't excuse any of his behaviour.

Do you think he looked up the phone numbers of everyone who bought his game and prank called them or something?

He gets mountains of abuse on Twitter, and sometimes he reacts. Get over it.

 

[Salsa]

You don't have to be enraged, but if I told you to kill yourself, and get raped by a sentient cactus, while bragging about how awesome I am and how nobody else will ever be like me, you don't understand how others could possible see that as a bit tiresome?

tiresomes.. yes, but people took it seriously, whereas I doubt everyone who was saying that to him was treating those insults in the same serious light.

basically dude gets told "you're a fagget fez sucks die in a fire", phil responds "well yeah but I got tons of money what did you do? choke on my dick"

it's just silly shit, no one was meaning anything and it all read like a random talk among people that are not trying to keep up any sort of respectable persona and are just guys on the internet. The only reason it was brought up for attention it's because the dude made a popular game, and apparently that means you need to change your opinions or attitudes towards shit, or something, idk.

 

[Jackson]

Phil has bipolar disorder and probably doesn't medicate himself well.

On the one hand I feel bad for the guy when he can't help himself. But on the other he should be taking care of himself with that illness.

 

[MetatronM]

Fez was awesome, but for a guy who likes to talk a lot of shit, he can't seem to take much of it.

And for the bipolar people, please. Bipolar can be helped, treated, and controlled. Maybe not completely, but certainly to the point that you don't act like this. I'm plenty familiar with people with serious bipolar disorder (and a bunch of other issues on top of that).

If Phil Fish is bipolar and making drastic career changes based on that, then either he needs to take personal responsibility and get help for it or the people around him need to recognize the problem and make him get help. Just saying "oh he's bipolar and can't help it" is the absolute worst way to look at it and excuses behavior that is both self-destructive and preventable.

 

[Uthred]

Another proud moment for gamers.

If you're celebrating this...well, I'd insult you, but sociopaths don't give a shit when you tell them they're a jerk. They just laugh.

Dont worry about it, we'd probably be too dumb to understand it anyway, right?

 

[Dysun]

Good, I hope this is the last time I have to read about his daily meltdowns

 

[AppleSmack]

Bullshit.
You don't show utter contempt for people who paid money for your game and insult people without remorse and then accuse them of 'abusing' you for biting back. The bipolar thing doesn't excuse any of his behaviour.

Way to flip the situation around. It is journalists and gamers that are harassing him and he bit back, not the other way around. The gaming community absolutely adores situations like this. Just look at people celebrating when studios close and people lose their jobs.

 

[Secret Fawful]

Bullshit.
You don't show utter contempt for people who paid money for your game and insult people without remorse and then accuse them of 'abusing' you for biting back. The bipolar thing doesn't excuse any of his behaviour.

Oh. "The bipolar thing". Okay.

 

[psykomyko]

The hate this guy gets is ridiculous, but this is an overreaction. There was wrong on both sides of this feud.

 

[tsumineko]

This. There are some classic "if you have a mental illness, deal with it, it's not difficult" kind of responses in this thread.

People find it hard to comprehend how much mental illness actually affects you as a person, especially bi polar. You can't simply "man up"

Yep, absolutely correct.

 

[Zeliard]

My comment was relatively unrelated to Phil Fish and more directed at your depiction of mental illness. It's not something that makes him unnacountable, but needs to be considered when judging him.

You can't "handle like an adult" when it happens. It's not under your control. You should know that.

The solution there beyond getting help is to stay far away from a medium that greatly facilitates aggressive behavior and a lack of nuanced communication and disseminates vitriolic statements to the public at-large.

Making his twitter account private is a start. Hopefully he'll keep it that way.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

Phil Fish is already a pen name. His name is Philippe Poisson, IIRC.

Didn't know that

 

[amr]

Oh please. Fish is a narcissist and a drama queen. Don't defend him because he's throwing another fit.

He's actually bi-polar, but yeah, you're right, "drama queen," same thing.

 

[AkimbO_Arcana]

What a cry baby lol.

FEZ was awesome btw.

 

[njean777]

As someone who works in the industry, I can completely sympathize with Fish. Whilst I'm not a "celebrity" like Fish is, working on something personal that you love to have it be completely torn apart from trolls is something that is really hard to stomach. Yes you can avoid the internet, and yes everyone is entitled to their opinion.
But I can imagine getting it constantly and daily like Fish does is a huge burden, I'm surprised he hasn't left earlier.

You are not acting like an asshole to people though are you? Difference is, he is. This industry has a lot of critics just like movies. If you cannot deal with that, then go somewhere else.

 

[A Sentient Keyboard]

Wow, this comment:

That took a quick turn.

Holy fuck.

 

[Pie and Beans]

What a day to log out of GAF and travel.

Just what a ridiculous big baby. This is the childish "I'm leaving and not coming back!" shit you leave behind at 12-13.

Also, with what a disaster Phil is to work with, there are also good chances that the Games Industry left Fish instead. I had always wondered who was going to be coding Fez II if Renaud wasn't back in.

 

[kazebyaka]

I don't understand all the drama. This guy made like one mediocre game in his life and that's it. If he developed at least few of them, and had a massive fanbase, then i'd understand. And he's acting like a big child right now who can't take any criticism.

 

[Metallix87]

Way to flip the situation around. It is journalists and gamers that are harassing him and he bit back, not the other way around. The gaming community absolutely adores situations like this. Just look at people celebrating when studios close and people lose their jobs.

The two situations aren't at all comparable. People dislike Fish because he's a narcissist and a drama queen, because he lacks common sense, and because he's desperate to be the center of attention at all times.