Phil Fish has Twitter tantrum, cancels Fez 2 and goes home with his ball

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balohna said:
How employable is he though, really? He worked at Ubisoft and hated it, he's no longer enjoying "you have complete creative and financial freedom to make whatever game you want". I guess he can probably go back to school or start investing his FEZ dollars or something. He's bought himself some time to figure out what he wants to do with his life.
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He could probably live off his Fez money for the rest of his life if he invested it properly. It worked for Axl Rose (a diagnosed-but-refuses-treatment bipolar who hasn't produced anything in years).
 
smr00 said:
1.Make twitter private
2.Stop giving a fuck what faceless people on the internet are saying about you
3.If you suffer from some kind of mental illness, get fucking help.

I don't sympathize for someone who acts like an asshole and has a god complex and proceeds to have a meltdown because he can't log-off the internet for 10 minutes and just ignore the bullshit. We don't live in some fairytale land, when you are famous or semi-famous you are going to get bombarded with haters every day.

It's not like these people are physically pushing him around and calling him names to his face, it's on the internet. You know how you deal with that? You fucking ignore it. The people who get bullied day-day outside of the internet get my sympathy. The ones who go to school every day only to be met with shoves into the locker, beat down on the school yard and physical/mental abuse at home. The guy can solve all his problems by simply not reacting and ignoring the emails and tweets.
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Yeah for your own sake if your making an career make an private twitter account.
Someone should make an site or app that ask you 3~5 times if you really want to tweet that.

And haters will always hate on you even if you only have like 1 cent more than them.
 
I kind of agree with Beer in that Fish is somewhat of a whiny developer, but seriously, cancelling your game because someone said something bad about you? That would be like me quitting my job because someone criticised my writing.

Is this an overreaction? Sure is. Who even cancels their game because someone said "you suck"? I would have just turned Twitter off and continued doing my work, but instead Fish had to go on a whinge spree and demand Beer kill himself. Tad over the top there.
 
tsumineko said:
This is what I was saying. Not that either one was worse than the other. They are different. That's all.

And yes, I have experience with both disorders.
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OK. :) The previous comment came off way different. All good now.

My point was I feel bad for Phil having to suffer through life like this. Being criticized publicly is tough when you don't have something like bipolar. I know, bad reviews and flippant comments about your work hurt, period.

It just is a sucky situation all around.
 
I'd have thought he'd sort this out before resorting to quitting the industry, but you do reap what you sow, especially on the internet.
 
Sunflower said:
I don't think it would hurt us to be a little more compassionate, no matter how we initially felt about this. It's worth just letting go.

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I'm inclined to agree.
 
Phil Fish is bipolar now?

Doubtful. Hiiiighly doubtful. My brother was bipolar/manic depressive, so was my best friends sister, id like to think I'm somewhat experienced with the matter.

I doubt Phil could have even created Fez if he was. Although, if he was on a course of heavy meds and being supported it could explain how long it took him to make it.
 
Stumpokapow said:
It's not an expression that he can simply flip a switch and fix the situation, it's an expression that in the mean time the rest of us cannot be asked to shoulder his burden.

I believe in a compassionate society and in redemption.

I have an individual close to me in my life who suffers from a recognized and diagnosed mental health illness that is generally considered more severe, less treatable, and more outwardly hostile to others than bipolar. This isn't to have a pissing match. I just want to say that while I support him/her and would be willing to accommodate him/her in many regards (including giving them a place to sleep when necessary) there are also limits that are not to be crossed because I need to protect myself and my own happiness. That's not about justified or not, right or wrong--those kinds of lines are absolutely necessary and inevitable for you to draw when someone like that is in your life.

As I mentioned above, a compulsive gambler cannot stop and cannot help themself and yet they also CANNOT be allowed to hurt others. Support is necessary and given, but it isn't a license for the disease to express itself in a way that hurts others without consequence.

This is the public at large and Fish's peers in the industry expressing that Fish's abuse and attention-seeking has reached or crossed that line. We can be empathetic to the challenges he faces while still having clear and fair expectations of his behaviour.
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How is Phil Fish burdening you or others and how is he giving more than he gets in cases like this?
 
So let my just bet that that won't be his final tweet. Sadly.
 
If this is what makes him happy, then I wish him the best of luck, shame to see a great developer leave the industry because of how toxic the gaming community can be.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Good advice, Phil should have followed it.
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Yeah, he should have. So should most of this forum.

It's too bad Skull Leader has to resort to shaming someone and considering them inferior because they have a different definition of a word based on how they were raised, but whatever. I'm just a motherfucking idiot.
 
Lemme see if I got this right.

1. Unknown indie makes an ass out of himself with some truly offensive shit at a convention.

2. Dev continues to make an ass out of himself on Twitter as people start "internet bullying" him for being an ass.

3. Dev releases game; quits industry some time after over internet bullying.

And I supposed to feel sympathy for him? Did he not reap what he sowed?
 
eorl said:
I kind of agree with Beer in that Fish is somewhat of a whiny developer, but seriously, cancelling your game because someone said something bad about you? That would be like me quitting my job because someone criticised my writing.

Is this an overreaction? Sure is. Who even cancels their game because someone said "you suck"? I would have just turned Twitter off and continued doing my work, but instead Fish had to go on a whinge spree and demand Beer kill himself. Tad over the top there.
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The idea that he cancelled 'Fez 2' based on this is preposterous. I doubt that the sequel to Fez was anything more than a printed logo on an A4 sheet of paper at this time. If they had decided on puzzles, level design, artistic direction etc. they wouldn't throw that away.

Fez 2 probably suffered from a dilemma of 'how do we top the first one', and instead of spending the time of figure it out, Fish has decided he doesn't like game development anymore and has taken his ball to go home. It's fair, it's his choice, but I severely doubt that he abandoned actual work.
 
This is truly a shame. The guy has some serious talent, so I hope he reconsiders this decision someday and goes back to making games.
 
I wonder how much money he made from FEZ and if he'll continue to receive money from Xbox Live/Steam sales of the game.

I'm sure it'll be enough to fund him to live a pretty comfortable life for the nest decade or so.
 
Weltall Zero said:
I feel bad for those who loved Fez. That's about it. Bipolar or not, this guy is the epitome of poisonous, vain and obnoxious. I'm happy to see him go and I won't miss any of his hypothetical future games.

That is, of course, if this is not just his latest attention-seeking trick, which wouldn't be particularly surprising.
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This is my take.

Before today I didn't even know who Phil Fish was. Clicked on this thread, though, and naturally went down the rabbit hole, finding out more and more about his history. He seems to be completely inept socially. Very talented, I guess, since Fez was a unique game that many people loved, but on the whole quite the douchebag.

It's a bit frustrating to read so many replies with people feeling sorry for Phil Fish or blaming the industry. What's wrong with you guys? He brought it on himself. He couldn't handle it. And in a fit of bi-polar rage (apparently), he quit.

He should seek help, distance himself from any sort of public persona, and then return (which is inevitable). For now he's just trying to spurn the industry, as if robbing it of his 'greatness' is somehow a victory in his eyes.
 
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