Feeling sorry for someone who is bombarded with hate every day is hero worshiping?
Phil Fish has Twitter tantrum, cancels Fez 2 and goes home with his ball
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Feeling sorry for someone who is bombarded with hate every day is hero worshiping?
Enter The 36 Chambers
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What an idiot. Dude deserves everything he's gotten lately. If you're gonna be that arrogant and cocky, at least be man enough to deal with some megative internet comments.
Weak minded, good riddance.
Weak minded, good riddance.
DeVeAn
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First off I want to say I played the demo loved it bought it. I have not played it in full yet. But this guy acts like Big asshole. I mean if you're an ass, you're an ass. But don't degrade people who purchased your game. Also he says he's tired of dealing with shit. Well guess what that will never end . I spent 10 years in a job I could not stand because it was my only option. Suck it up and vent out by other means. He should realize how lucky he is. There are so many jobs that no one wants. I was in Walmart in the middle of the night watching this woman work. It was depressing. She did not look like she was in capable of anything more, But it's the shit she has to deal with for now.
Never liked him, but FEZ very much, would have loved to pay FEZ 2 - hoping the last word isn't spoken.
There clearly was lot of overreacting today, on both sides, hate this calling oneself annoyed gamer, hopes he overthinks his effect of voice and clear messaging before starting season 2.
There clearly was lot of overreacting today, on both sides, hate this calling oneself annoyed gamer, hopes he overthinks his effect of voice and clear messaging before starting season 2.
SkyTurnsRed
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He brings a LOT of that hate on to himself.
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Deleted member 17706
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Not really, no. He's a savvy Internet user. He knows what the Internet is like. He didn't have to put himself out there and publicly act like an asshole. He seemed to revel in his act and enjoyed getting a rise out of people. Hard to complain about the fire getting too hot when you keep stoking the flames knowing exactly what you're doing.
Or if he just took a break from talking mad shit all the time, maybe he wouldn't be bombarded so much? Look at his most recent flip out session against Annoyed Gamer. That guy has a lot of fans, some of which are now going to be gunning for Phil Fish. The guy is a moron if he doesn't know that he's bringing all of this stuff on himself.
NinjamicWZ
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A threat would be saying you're going to kill someone else. It's not a threat to tell someone to go kill themselves in response to verbal abuse and verbal altercations aren't normal circumstances. They're aggravated circumstances. Walking down the street calling people names and swearing at them will get you, at the very least, a ticket for disorderly conduct and disturbing the peace.
No, I mean the foolish or excessive adulation for an individual.
No, that wouldn't be hero worshiping. But that's also a very incomplete description of what's happened here.
Nihilistic Monk
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What else is he gonna do? Work in a Starbucks?
This is bullshit. He'll be back in short order and calling out his "haters". Every site will write this up and his "return" in a few weeks.
We're not lucky enough to be rid of Mr Fish. Mark my words.
This is bullshit. He'll be back in short order and calling out his "haters". Every site will write this up and his "return" in a few weeks.
We're not lucky enough to be rid of Mr Fish. Mark my words.
Ironmanxrs2
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Do you ever wonder if some people are indie developers because they couldn't get along with anyone in the office? Bigger corporations have a range of hoops you have to jump through and people you have to collaborate with. Some people, while talented, are not able to play in the sandbox. I wonder if that was the case with this guy.
PairOfFilthySocks
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Jeez dude, grow a friggin' backbone already. For a guy who people praised for his supposed superb trolling, he sure folded like a little bitch quickly.
I don't think this is about being socially inept. We're not talking about some poor guy being picked on by people because he's nerdy or something. This is a guy that, for whatever reason, has a history of making ill-considered and inflammatory remarks in public venues.
I'm not a big fan of Phil Fish precisely because of some of the things he's said. I'm going to be right up front about that. I'm not about to go tell the man that he should kill himself or something just because I think he's kind of obnoxious and likes to play the attention whore, though - some people take the hate thing way too far, IMO. But I can't feel too bad about him getting a bunch of negative reactions, either. I had hoped that he'd learn something from the "Japan, your games suck" debacle and start expressing his opinions without coming off like a complete tool, but if anything he seemed to become even more belligerent.
The bottom line is that people are going to judge you on both what you say and how you say it. How you express yourself shows how much regard you have for the people you're speaking to. Phil Fish comes across as a guy who doesn't hold most people in high regard, and I think a lot of folks have responded in kind.
Lord Panda
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The guy is an immature arsehole. He only just realised that when you fight the Internet, the Internet will always win.
Hope he calms down, takes a nice break, and comes back more sensible and mature.
Hope he calms down, takes a nice break, and comes back more sensible and mature.
Darkmakaimura
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Possibly, but I doubt that's the case here. Although, he did have some legal issue with the co-creator of Fez and that guy left, right? I remember that in the movie.
A lot of people on Twitter think he's just gonna swim right back to shore and we'll see Fez 2 eventually.
akidnamededdy
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This dramatic outburst is fitting since he's better as an industry personality than as an actual game developer.
I give it a week.
I give it a week.
Treefingers
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ok, so how did you come to that conclusion?
I don't care if he knows what the internet is like or not, it doesn't excuse people being assholes. People who constantly spew the shit like some of the comments seen in this thread at him are partially responsible.
JordoftheDead
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He copped a heap of Internet hate before a lot of that attitude due to Fez delays. I think him being so antagonistic is probably a symptom of the anonymous abuse he copped for an age while trying to finish Fez.
GravityMan
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Good riddance. The videogame industry is much better off without him.
I really wish Fez was developed by someone who isn't such a douche. Assuming it turns out just as good, it would've sold more. Phil Fish's jerk personality and unnecessary attacks on certain groups directly contributed to lost sales of the game.
He brought all of this upon himself. He only has himself to blame.
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, Fish. I hope he actually stays away and doesn't come back (but he probably will, unfortunately).
Phil Fish (and a few others) made indies as a whole look bad in the eyes of some people.
BTW, there are many people out there who are socially inept that don't act like total assholes.
I really wish Fez was developed by someone who isn't such a douche. Assuming it turns out just as good, it would've sold more. Phil Fish's jerk personality and unnecessary attacks on certain groups directly contributed to lost sales of the game.
He brought all of this upon himself. He only has himself to blame.
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, Fish. I hope he actually stays away and doesn't come back (but he probably will, unfortunately).
Phil Fish (and a few others) made indies as a whole look bad in the eyes of some people.
BTW, there are many people out there who are socially inept that don't act like total assholes.
Plenty of other companies and fields utilize a similar set of skills. Assuming he is the programmer and not the artist, though there would still be opportunities for the latter.
I do agree though, it is unlikely that Phil will stay gone.
If anything he will miss the freedom he gets from a two man company.
He's like the last speaker of an ancient language. Truly we are blessed have had him while it lasted.
Gunstar Ikari
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Hopefully he sticks to it instead of coming back in a week.
Good riddance.
Good riddance.
He's acted like an ass since the beginning. People heaped hate on him because he shitted on everyone else while he couldn't get his own game done.
jaundicejuice
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While Phil's reaction may be inappropriate, is Marcus Beer getting a free pass on his behaviour? The degree to which Phil Fish lost his shit and some of the things he posted on Twitter are inexcusable but it's not like what engendered that reaction is any better. Marcus Beer called Phil Fish and Jonathon Blow "poisonous", fucking hipsters (twice), called Phil a total tosspot (twice), a fucking asshole, wankers, called Jonathon Blow's upcoming game "Witless" all because they didn't want to be quoted over Microsoft's new policies on indie game publishing.
http://www.gametrailers.com/full-episodes/roj70m/invisible-walls-everything-and-the-kitchen-sink
Marcus Beer personally attacks both Jonathon Blow and Phil Fish in the first six to seven minutes of this video. Think what you will of Phil Fish but Marcus Beer is the instigator of this. if we're shouting down Phil for what he did, Marcus should be receiving equal treatment. What Marcus Beer did was highly inappropriate.
http://www.gametrailers.com/full-episodes/roj70m/invisible-walls-everything-and-the-kitchen-sink
Marcus Beer personally attacks both Jonathon Blow and Phil Fish in the first six to seven minutes of this video. Think what you will of Phil Fish but Marcus Beer is the instigator of this. if we're shouting down Phil for what he did, Marcus should be receiving equal treatment. What Marcus Beer did was highly inappropriate.
TemplaerDude
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No, they're not and the opinion you hold on this is wrong.
Treefingers
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ok. great discourse.
Fish brought that shit on himself. In this case the egg definitely came before the chicken.
Pop On Arrival
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Who reacts this way?Just embarrassing. Fucking stay out, you baby.
So you're saying he was asking for it?
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I'm not saying it excuses those people who take it too far, but it's a lot easier to get one person to stop doing something than to somehow convince the masses to change.
TheWeaponeer
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The only thing that concerns me from this whole ordeal is the question of if that XBox 360 Fez Patch got sent off before this all happened. I hope so because some people are waiting for that patch - that would be a real disappointment.
Twitter blows goats. I think it is more destructive than useful, but that is just my opinion. Between this event and the whole Games Journalism/Wainwright fiasco, I see no worth in it (and I do not use it personally either) because it seems to be nothing more than a drama magnet rather than a useful tool for the games industry (and the mma, pro wrestling, and music industries are bad with using it too). Again, my $0.02.
Twitter blows goats. I think it is more destructive than useful, but that is just my opinion. Between this event and the whole Games Journalism/Wainwright fiasco, I see no worth in it (and I do not use it personally either) because it seems to be nothing more than a drama magnet rather than a useful tool for the games industry (and the mma, pro wrestling, and music industries are bad with using it too). Again, my $0.02.
Lordwindowlicker
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He's a whiny little pussy. He talks so much shit, and then he cries about "abuse"?
What a cunt.
What a cunt.
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There's nothing wrong with Twitter, just people misusing it or thinking it's something that it's not.
I love it.... So when the stupid internet trolls through stuff his way its "Those guys are horrible" (which they are) but when he does the exact same level shit its "lol get a sense of humor bro! That's hilarious!".
This is the rub right here, trying to pretend like the people that were jerks to him are in the wrong, but refusing to acknowledge that Fish himself was a FREQUENT asshole of a similar nature. He is partially the blame for the nonsense. So shove that Victim blaming crap up your rear IMO. Its barely applicable here. The guy was a tool, don't be surprised when people have trouble drudging up feelings for the guy.
The recent revelation of him possibly being mentally ill helps explain it to a degree, but it does not completely absolve him of all of his actions. Jesus even today the guy couldnt resist digging the hole deeper.
Treefingers
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I agree. But a lot of the hate in this thread is directed disproportionately at him, and very little at the gaming community's participation in this whole thing. That's what irks me.
TemplaerDude
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Shake your head, smack it against the keyboard a few times and give it a think. I'm typing out a novel on my phone nor am I going to retread the same shit everyone else with half a clue has said again and again in this thread.
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EatinOlives
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Mostly done by juniors.
In a more perfect world something like this would make people step back and think the sheer amount of hate-filled vitriol gamers spew on a daily basis is enough to drive at least a few talented people away from the industry, but obviously we're getting some good old dancing-on-grave action instead.
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