gundamkyoukai
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FF brand is hurt but i going to wait on FFXV before i call it dead .
Wired: Final Fantasy Isnt Dying. Its Already Dead
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Meccanical
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Not sequels, entries.
akidnamededdy
Banned
I'm hoping for a dramatic reveal at the beginning of next gen where it turns out this gen's Final Fantasy games were all just a dream.
sixteen-bit
Member
What a fall from grace this series has had.
Green Mamba
Member
And FFXV, even if it's pretty good, I would not consider its release a turning point. That's just making good on a nearly decade old promise.
Final Fantasy will have truly turned a corner when they release a good FFXVI in a reasonable amount of time after its announcement, and we are given indication that FFXVII production is going similarly smoothly. That's how we'll know the series is on the right track. Actually finally releasing a game they announced in fucking 2006 is not.
Final Fantasy will have truly turned a corner when they release a good FFXVI in a reasonable amount of time after its announcement, and we are given indication that FFXVII production is going similarly smoothly. That's how we'll know the series is on the right track. Actually finally releasing a game they announced in fucking 2006 is not.
How is making a full-fledged remake of FF7 significantly less effort than making a fully new game?
Exactly how much of FF7 do you think they can re-use?
First blow:
Lethal blow:
These two are fantastic games and believing they've done anything to the brand is ignorance.
What is it with people trying to lump X and VIII into Square's current issues?
Dog food is delicious
Banned
Do they even have the original source code for FFVII anymore?
I don't think that's true. Every asset would have to be remade as well as adding on a whole slew of new graphical effects, features, and gameplay improvements/fixes. It would be making a new game and cost just as much. But they are dumb for not remaking it, if you ask me. Who knows, maybe they are saving it for a rainy day.
astroturfing
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i've said this many times, but goddamnit, they really should make downloadable FF titles on PSN/Live similar to FFVII-FFIX. world map and all, prerendered backgrounds, turn-based battles, nostalgic music, the whole shebang, 1080p/60fps... who wouldn't buy them?!
and it's not like it would be a huge risk for them to try something like that, they wouldn't cost a hundred million to make or take 7 years to develop...
and it's not like it would be a huge risk for them to try something like that, they wouldn't cost a hundred million to make or take 7 years to develop...
Just for perspective, what about XIII-2 did you like?
One of very few games with the FF name on it that I actually liked in a very, very long time. But I dunno if I'd go with 'fantastic'.
THE GIFT OF THE GODDESS THE GIFT OF THE GODDESS THE GIFT OF THE GODDESS
timetokill
Banned
Yup, same here.
I look at FF15 and so far and see:
- Characters with godawful names that look straight from a Jpop boy band
- Apparently takes place in the same universe as 13? When they should really just be cutting the cord. I'd be happy to be wrong about this one.
- Very little gameplay footage, 7 years after reveal or whatever.
... it's just harder and harder to care.
Dog food is delicious
Banned
they have said that they'll re-make FFVII after they make something better.
XV by it's very nature is an extension of FFXIII, and it always will be.
Sorry
This is entirely false.
They we're designed to be two completely separate things. FNC was designed to be more or less a refined crystal mythos that was always present in the FF series and was primarily Designed by Nojima (and some others who are primarily involved on FFXV btw)
The whole XIII naming convention came out of a marketing proposition to link these works under some common vision. But the fact is that this mythos was tucked away in the Square archives and XIII, XV, and Type-0 where all given there own interpretation of the mythos just like every other FF game. It's an extremely esoteric set of concepts that manifest themselves differently in each game. Nor is FNC the source of XIII's issues.
They had been planing to remove versusXIII from the XIII association pretty much from the get go. Because it wasn't associated with the XIII project. Even Agito got renamed to Type-0, and much of the mythological entities take on differing names.
lifa-cobex
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Nothing wrong with 10. 10-2 on the other hand....
8 has major plot holes that don't quite come together (unless you decide they don't by filling in the blanks yourself).
Plus the battle system wasn't fully thought out.
I wish this common misconception of the entire dealings of "bankruptcy" and "Enix merging" would disappear. It causes way too many problems.
I don't hold out much hope for Final Fantasy going forward, but I'm still keeping an eye on XV.
IMO, Final Fantasy lost most of its magic after FFIX (the best PS1 era Final Fantasy game). I've made it about halfway through FFX and never played FFX-2. XIII was an absolute disaster (I gave up in disgust after about 6 hours). On the other hand, XII was a wonderful game, which I will defend until the day I die. If a new Final Fantasy game came out that played just like XII but had a more coherent plot, then I'd probably be very happy.
IMO, Final Fantasy lost most of its magic after FFIX (the best PS1 era Final Fantasy game). I've made it about halfway through FFX and never played FFX-2. XIII was an absolute disaster (I gave up in disgust after about 6 hours). On the other hand, XII was a wonderful game, which I will defend until the day I die. If a new Final Fantasy game came out that played just like XII but had a more coherent plot, then I'd probably be very happy.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
I realize that assets would have to be remade, but you are missing the point.
All of the work needed for pre-production WOULD NOT have to be redone. People need to realize that a large part of a game's development is done before a single line of code is ever written.
Designing the characters, building the world, writing the story the story, creating the gameplay and mechanics. That would all be done! All they would need to do is redesign the game's graphics around a new engine and maybe put in some new quests and features. That is half the work done right there.
FlashbladeGAF
Member
It's just FF14 costumes and mannerisms coming in to LR for fan service
she has cat ears because of the race in the gif and the picture below
I do not argue that they are good games. But are they good Final Fantasy games? I'm merely pointing to how the brand betrayed its style in favor of generic anime trends. There was a time when NO game looked or felt like a Final Fantasy game. Now we're stuck with teenage go-getter male stereotypes and melodramatic jailbait female leads to the tune of J-Pop themes, just like any other JRPG. There is no denying the trend those games set.
bishopcruz
Member
Wait, what?
People asking for a remake of FFVII are in for a huge disappointment even if it does get remade. Hell the thing I have noticed is the bigger a fan you are of an original, the more you will HATE a remake. Unless square pulls a rabbit out of it's hat and hits a remake on the level of Oath in Felghana or REmake, they are going to have a horde of people who will hate whatever changes they DID make. It's a lose/lose especially when you consider the sheer cost of translating a huge, essentially 2d game into a full 3d overhaul. If Square had been smart and kept their assets for the background they we COULD het an HD remix, but if they had to redo the game from scratch, people would freak, no matter how nice it looked, because things would change. And as all the hate for FFXII has shown, people despise change, even when it's REALLY good.
deadcelledo
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Green Mamba
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I'm not really looking forward to FFXV either, but it doesn't actually take place in XIII's universe, though I don't really blame you for not knowing. How SE has handled and explained their Fabula Nova Crystalis abortion of a concept has been less than favorable.
I still can't believe we're sitting in the grasp of FNC's vile tentacles.
And I agree on your first point, but be prepared for someone to post a picture of Amano concept art of the pretty boy main characters from the first six because apparently that's exactly the same thing as the FFXV characters being actual fashion models.
nintendoman58
Member
Wired is correct. Final Fantasy is dead.
XV will be the Phoenix Down.
XV will be the Phoenix Down.
Dark Octave
Banned
The article is right.
well, then how's this:
square got terrible after the enix merge. maybe it's a coincidence, but that's when it happened.
Do you know how ignorant you sound? The framework of the remake would be laid out sure but they would still have to put a considerable amount of time reworking the entire game's narrative to make it fit in the compilation of VII, recreate a new battle system, recreate how the progression for the game works due to the changed narrative, rewrite lines, etc. It's a lot more than you think.
Wrong again. This is a false cause. Management changes and poor decision making in SE caused many things to be terrible.
Yeah, I had a blast with it. Platinumed it and XIII.
As a fan of the game, it really really wasn't.
The combat was pretty tedious to downright boring. If it wasn't for the hug the walls technique I wouldn't of gotton through it. A lot of the story was really bad, only good parts were the direct ties to FF7. All else they threw in was trash (oh god loveless). The music was top notch, and the ending was great... but besides that it was a mediocre game that expanded on a fan favorite.
GravityMan
Member
I am very much looking forward to Final Fantasy XV based on what was shown so far, so the FF franchise is not dead to me. Chris Kohler and Wired doesn't speak for me. I have zero interest in Lightning Returns though.
lifa-cobex
Member
To those whom played it in its glory days, It's dead
I don't think I could ever understand someone who enjoyed the other FF's to the same level as this gens FF's.
Its almost unrecognizable anymore.
Fuck, I don't wanna have a dig at anyone who enjoys them. To me its dead.
Werewolf Jones
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It's dead and I guess everyone who keeps buying the games must be necrophiliacs or something.
Slamtastic
Member
rip in peace
Green Mamba
Member
I still can't believe they were showing CG masquerading as gameplay at E3 for FFXV.
SE has learned nothing.
SE has learned nothing.
Meccanical
Member
Or just coprophagists.
You have to understand though, this game is very old and I highly doubt there are very many, if any at all, of the original team still there to work on this, so this would be an entirely new team being exposed to this. They can't just go in there and say, "LOL make FF7 guys" and have it instantly happen just because it was already made once, especially with it being so old. They still gotta go through all the same processes to create the game. I very much doubt they'd use the exact same storyboards and concept art designing the new game, especially if they took the route of making it match the Advent Children style.
Which makes people claiming XV will save the series appear all the more hilarious.
They lost me at the part where they failed to acknowledge Final Fantasy XII.
To be fair they then showed an in-engine gameplay trailer that looked almost identical for all intents and purposes.
To be fair they then showed an in-engine gameplay trailer that looked almost identical for all intents and purposes.
Dead? No, but it is certainly hemorrhaging a ton of blood and is nowhere near the titan it once was.
FFXII was great, but it definitely could've been better (good lord that team) but mismanagement screwed things up. FFXIII was not only handled worse than XII, it didn't have the quality of that title either. Cue one of the most undeserving titles in the series getting two follow ups, Tactics devolving into that crappy mobile game, All the Bravest (nothing more needs to be said), and failure to release XIII Versus despite an entire generation passing.
Square Enix is going to need a lot more than just FFXIV and FFXV being good before this series' reputation turns around. Hell, the latter was 99% CG or target render bull. Who knows when it'll come out.
FFXII was great, but it definitely could've been better (good lord that team) but mismanagement screwed things up. FFXIII was not only handled worse than XII, it didn't have the quality of that title either. Cue one of the most undeserving titles in the series getting two follow ups, Tactics devolving into that crappy mobile game, All the Bravest (nothing more needs to be said), and failure to release XIII Versus despite an entire generation passing.
Square Enix is going to need a lot more than just FFXIV and FFXV being good before this series' reputation turns around. Hell, the latter was 99% CG or target render bull. Who knows when it'll come out.