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Giant Bomb Thread #5 - We love you, Ryan Davis

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From Jeff's tumblr:

Question:
The rape gun the other person was referring to is the alien anal probe weapon. And I agree with them, the drug reference stuff is dumb but banning it on account of something like this makes sense
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Response:
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Hmm. OK.

I mean, I’m not really sure how or where that appears in the game, so maybe the context is a little more explicit, but you could make the argument that there’s nothing automatically sexual about an alien anal probe, as its typical fictional use is scientific on the part of the aliens.

Also, this is a ridiculous topic.

Worth discussing/mentioning?
 
brianmcdoogle said:
From Jeff's tumblr:

Question:


Response:
Code: 
Hmm. OK.

I mean, I’m not really sure how or where that appears in the game, so maybe the context is a little more explicit, but you could make the argument that there’s nothing automatically sexual about an alien anal probe, as its typical fictional use is scientific on the part of the aliens.

Also, this is a ridiculous topic.

Worth discussing/mentioning?
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I responded to Jeff about it, but I'm fairly certain I read that it is explicitly sexual because some of the people you probe are WAY into it so they can't play the "it's just science" angle.
 
Chuck said:
well, would you argue that wrestling is not terrible today?
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Wrestling's great these days. Antonio Cesaro vs. Daniel Bryan, heck yeah.

With that said I've never really sensed that the wrestling fan segment of Giant Bomb dig anything other than the 90s stuff. Which is fine, just dunno how that's gonna work as a podcast.

Should be interesting though. I've seen Alex talk about watching the PPVs before but rarely seen him say, I dunno, what he thinks of The Shield or Dolph Ziggler or whatever.
 
Alo81 said:
I responded to Jeff about it, but I'm fairly certain I read that it is explicitly sexual because some of the people you probe are WAY into it so they can't play the "it's just science" angle.
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His response reminds me of in AVGN's TMNT:III review where Michelangelo called Raphael a pile of dung, Raphael objects, and Donatello says that some cultures respect dung, and it is an alternate fuel source.... making it not necessarily an insult.

I highly doubt Saints Row isn't using an alien anal probe as something other than a sodomy gag.
 
brianmcdoogle said:
His response reminds me of in AVGN's TMNT:III review where Michelangelo called Raphael a pile of dung, Raphael objects, and Donatello says that some cultures respect dung, and it is an alternate fuel source.... making it not necessarily an insult.

I highly doubt Saints Row isn't using an alien anal probe as something other than a sodomy gag.
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Exactly. In the context of Saint's Row, and to most of its audience, it's probably just a "Hahahaha buttrape is funny!" gun.
 
Alo81 said:
Arcadey cartoon violence isn't the same as arcadey cartoon rape/sodomy.
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Culturally, no. Intrinsically, yes.

securitypigeon said:
I know. I'm already tired of the endless stream of touchy liberal bloggers making this The New Thing to Hate before it's even happened.
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I get wanting to raise the narrative in games or whatever, but this is Saints Row we're talking about. Saints row. The game where you can wield giant purple dildos in melee combat. It's never going to be the bastion of political correctness.
 
LordCanti said:
Culturally, no. Intrinsically, yes.



I get wanting to raise the narrative in games or whatever, but this is Saints Row we're talking about. Saints row. The game where you can wield giant purple dildos in melee combat. It's never going to be the bastion of political correctness.
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Couple of things: First, I really enjoyed saints row the third when I played it for the first time earlier this year away from its launch and a lot of the hype surrounding it. Secondly, I'm not even upset about the inclusion of the weapon. What I am questioning with my original post and response is that I thought Jeff's answer to the question was lacking. To try to present it as something not what the obvious inclination of it is, a probable sodomy joke, seems silly, and that's why I posted my ninja turtle comment.

Thirdly, I feel that your remark that there should be a difference between culturally and intrinsically violent scenarios confusing. We don't have violence in games against children, and the reception and reaction to a hypothetical mission where you kill a bunch of children versus killing a bunch of adults is entirely different and warrants different reactions. If you're suggesting that there is no difference between violence through the act of shooting someone and violence through rape or anal sodomy, I guess you can say that yeah, both are violent. However, to completely and dismissively ignore the cultural aspect of it seems borderline sociopathic and clueless to society.

And, again, I am not even reacting to the weapon in question, just Jeff's poor response and now yours and the grumpy/dismissive Junior who posted above you.
 
I tweeted Patrick about that new STALKER mod. Seems pretty hardcore, but has an additional horror/zombie-related campaign or something similar.
 
In fairness, I'll reserve full judgement until I see it for myself. But going off descriptions, it hardly seems worth getting riled up about. If you keep pushing the phrase 'sodomy' over and over again, you're bound to start building suggestions that maybe don't belong in the first place. I imagine Jeff feels the same way, which is why he gave the response he did (and he has finished the game, after all).
 
derFeef said:
I tweeted Patrick about that new STALKER mod. Seems pretty hardcore, but has an additional horror/zombie-related campaign or something similar.
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he mentioned it on his stream, he's aware of it but I think he was asking if it's worth starting from there
 
Someone needs to make Patrick and Alex artwork for their podcast ASAP. Seeing half Patrick's giant head and the left ear of Alex on my iPhone is disturbing.
 
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVE!!!!!

brianmcdoogle said:
Couple of things: First, I really enjoyed saints row the third when I played it for the first time earlier this year away from its launch and a lot of the hype surrounding it. Secondly, I'm not even upset about the inclusion of the weapon. What I am questioning with my original post and response is that I thought Jeff's answer to the question was lacking. To try to present it as something not what the obvious inclination of it is, a probable sodomy joke, seems silly, and that's why I posted my ninja turtle comment.

Thirdly, I feel that your remark that there should be a difference between culturally and intrinsically violent scenarios confusing. We don't have violence in games against children, and the reception and reaction to a hypothetical mission where you kill a bunch of children versus killing a bunch of adults is entirely different and warrants different reactions. If you're suggesting that there is no difference between violence through the act of shooting someone and violence through rape or anal sodomy, I guess you can say that yeah, both are violent. However, to completely and dismissively ignore the cultural aspect of it seems borderline sociopathic and clueless to society.

And, again, I am not even reacting to the weapon in question, just Jeff's poor response and now yours and the grumpy/dismissive Junior who posted above you.
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That's literally what I'm saying. You can commit some heinous crimes in Saints Row-esque games, but make a joke about alien anal probing and you've somehow gone over the line. It's ridiculous. We're not talking about someone being held down and raped in a video game. We're talking about a cartoon gun that (I'd assume, since we haven't seen it yet) fires a projectile that homes into the other characters butt and makes them jump up/make a yelping sound/whatever in a comic fashion. Jeff was saying that anal probing has a history of being a medical thing that alien's would do to study humans in sci-fi (and not a sexual thing) which is legitimate, if obviously not the gag they're going for. I also agree with him that the entire debate is ridiculous, though I can't say that he agrees with me about why it's ridiculous (since he didn't specify).
 
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