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Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel is being investigated by the NCAA for signing autographs and sports memorabilia for profit, reported ESPN on Sunday as the Heisman Trophy winner and his teammates were reporting for fall camp.

If the NCAA is investigating Manziel and finds he violated NCAA bylaw 12.5.2.1 – accepting money for promoting or advertising the commercial sale of a product or service of any kind – he could be ruled ineligible.

The NCAA, reportedly, launched its investigation when a large number of verified memorabilia signed by Manziel became available on eBay after Manziel had attended the BCS national championship game between Alabama and Notre Dame in Miami in early January. Two sources told ESPN’s Outside the Lines that Manziel agreed to sign autographs in exchange for a five-figure flat fee during his trip. Both sources said they witnessed the signing, but neither saw the actual exchange of money.
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Manziel was originally scheduled to address the media Monday morning along with six other teammates about the start of fall camp, provided none of the players are attending class, according to a release sent out by the school Friday.
However, a release sent out Sunday by the school after the ESPN story broke did not include Manziel. Steven Jenkins, Jake Matthews and Julien Obioha were also on the original list of available players, but omitted from Sunday’s update.
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That will teach him to embarrass Alabama.

I hope O'bannon wins his case so this bullshit facade of "amateurism" can end.
 
NCAA is a racket that is designed to take advantage of the often already disadvantaged. Scumbags, one and all. I support any of these players taking advantage of being able to get some money for what they do for their "schools."
 
I am not following what is going on in the off season, but is it safe to assume that all the accolades from last season have gone to his head ?
 
This shouldn't matter but if he's actually doing this then he's a moron.

His family is extremely well-off. He does not need the extra money, unlike some players.
 
Kusagari said:
This shouldn't matter but if he's actually doing this then he's a moron.

His family is extremely well-off. He does not need the extra money, unlike some players.
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Just because your parents are well off does not mean he can't make his own money. Gotta leave the nest sometime.
 
More than anything the NCAA is likely pissed one of the most famous players is daring to make money and they're not profiting off that.
 
Kusagari said:
This shouldn't matter but if he's actually doing this then he's a moron.

His family is extremely well-off. He does not need the extra money, unlike some players.
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This. Won't really matter in the long term though. If he is found ineligible, it won't stop him from getting drafted whenever he is allowed to apply for it.
 
I don't even get how the NCAA regulations are legal.
 
So what's the rationale behind this rule? How does it affect the "integrity" of the game? Anyone want to play devil's advocate?
 
entrement said:
So what's the rationale behind this rule? How does it affect the "integrity" of the game? Anyone want to play devil's advocate?
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I'd imagine that they don't want money to become a factor in recruitment, which would lead to a scenario where only the richest schools could possibly compete. Basically, the majority of schools don't want to play that game. That's my laymen's take anyway, as someone that doesn't really follow it.

Personally, I think they shouldn't allow money to factor into recruiting or for anyone involved to pay the players off (donors for instance) but if they can go out and get promotional deals or something, they should be allowed. They're adults with marketable skills who aren't being allowed to market them for four years (sometimes less if they go out early, but you get the idea). It's kind of silly. Once they're recruited, once they've signed, who cares if they make money? As long as you can guarantee that they're not making money by throwing games or anything, of course.
 
LordCanti said:
I'd imagine that they don't want money to become a factor in recruitment, which would lead to a scenario where only the richest schools could possibly compete. Basically, the majority of schools don't want to play that game. That's my laymen's take anyway, as someone that doesn't really follow it.
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This is indeed the reason.

People seem to want college football to basically pro football for some reason, however.
 
dIEHARD said:
This is indeed the reason.

People seem to want college football to basically pro football for some reason, however.
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When you look at the generous TV contracts and the money it generates in NCAA Football, it's hard not to see why that's the case.
 
entrement said:
When you look at the generous TV contracts and the money it generates in NCAA Football, it's hard not to see why that's the case.
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That money is distributed to pay for other sports programs, many schools already lose money on these programs.

Either pay the kids and get rid of title 9, or keep it the way it currently is.

I probably simplified it too much but you get the idea.
 
Obviously, the schools can't pay the kids. But to stop them from making money off their celebrity is just assholish behavior that has zero actual world justification. That byline needs to die.
 
The NCAA is a joke.

But still. There are rules and he's a ducking idiot if he did this. He has huge paydays coming if he just keeps his head down and works hard for another 6 months. Is it that hard?

I wouldn't touch him with a ten-foot pole if I was an NFL GM drafting at the top of the draft next year. He just doesn't have his priorities straight right now.

EDIT: LOLOLOLOL @ Lone
 
WanderingWind said:
Obviously, the schools can't pay the kids. But to stop them from making money off their celebrity is just assholish behavior that has zero actual world justification. That byline needs to die.
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Schools with larger exposure and fan bases would correlate to more money made for athletes, furthering the recruiting advantage they have.
 
On one hand, he should be able to sign what he wants and take what he wants. On the other hand, college football would definitely change in a way that would probably destroy it in the long run. Students should be able to make money off of an image that they build, but there is a line there that cant be crossed. Just dont know what that line is yet.
 
LordCanti said:
I'd imagine that they don't want money to become a factor in recruitment, which would lead to a scenario where only the richest schools could possibly compete. Basically, the majority of schools don't want to play that game. That's my laymen's take anyway, as someone that doesn't really follow it.
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That's the case now though. Bigger schools spend millions of dollars a year on their athletic programs and smaller ones can't compete.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls10/news/story?id=5970794

http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/...e-football-money-buys-champions.html?page=all

The difference is that all the money generated goes to the school, not the players. They get scholarships out of it, but they essentially are beholden to the schools.
 
dIEHARD said:
Schools with larger exposure and fan bases would correlate to more money made for athletes, furthering the recruiting advantage they have.
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Don't buy it. Players with star status would make money at any school. Exposure is nationwide at this point, if the player is any good.
 
WanderingWind said:
NCAA is a racket that is designed to take advantage of the often already disadvantaged. Scumbags, one and all. I support any of these players taking advantage of being able to get some money for what they do for their "schools."
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I go back and fourth on this. I will say, however, that it isn't like these athletes are getting nothing. Two years ago, did you know who Johnny Manziel was? He also kind of gets a full ride education to a damn good school in TAMU. Plus other perks that come with being a high-profile football player.

And if you want to pay players on top of all of that, ok. Now are you going to do it equally? Does the star FB player get paid the same amount as the woman's rowing team? That alone will cause even more issues I would think. Either by the school not paying equally or the FB player getting pissed they get the same additional stipend as the rowing team.

Either way the rules how they stand now are what is in force. I hope he and the school gets slapped for being a dumbass if this is indeed true and he took a five figure payment for autographs.
 
I'm actually ok with anyone making money off their own name. I've seen secondary violations over someone using their name involving a business they've set up.

But any payment plan from the school or NCAA, would just end up opening lawsuit season. Basketball players will want to get paid, then Baseball, then all the Women's sports.

It's only thing to split those millions among 85 Football players, it's another to split it up a couple thousand ways.

It'd also would need to be even across all schools, else the big time players will truly take over.


But I'm still ok for JFF to be hammered by this, cause he's a douchebag supreme :P
 
While the NCAA is...well really really awful (How long is it gonna take for them to punish Miami?)...he should have seen what happened to the last guys who tried this stunt and avoided it...

I'm still not excusing the NCAA for...just being total toolbags though
 
WanderingWind said:
Don't buy it. Players with star status would make money at any school. Exposure is nationwide at this point, if the player is any good.
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Just a sample of highly selected players who are NFL stars that no one ever heard of before draft time.

Demarcus Ware
Joe Flaco
Jason Pierre-Paul
Chris Johnson
 
Impending D4 split is going to give stipends out. It's just how they divy out the March Madness funds is going to be the big issue (the tournament pretty much subsidizes the entire NCAA).

The thing with college sports is that (there are some exceptions) there's only two sports that make money football and basketball, and they pretty much subsidize everything else.
 
Lonestar said:
I'm actually ok with anyone making money off their own name. I've seen secondary violations over someone using their name involving a business they've set up.

But any payment plan from the school or NCAA, would just end up opening lawsuit season. Basketball players will want to get paid, then Baseball, then all the Women's sports.

It's only thing to split those millions among 85 Football players, it's another to split it up a couple thousand ways.

It'd also would need to be even across all schools, else the big time players will truly take over.


But I'm still ok for JFF to be hammered by this, cause he's a douchebag supreme :P
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I'm sure on a federal legal level no school or conference will be able to get away with paying only the FB team or paying the FB team more than other sports - men or women. So if a stipend ever occurs, I couldn't imagine it not being equal.

The other part is through financial aid, is a school even allowed to give a student more than their cost of attendance? It would be funny if an added stipend simply takes away from another financial aid pot. I guess if it is a merit based scholarship, they can go over. Who knows.
 
jchap said:
Just a sample of highly selected players who are NFL stars that no one ever heard of before draft time.

Demarcus Ware
Joe Flaco
Jason Pierre-Paul
Chris Johnson
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Except, they had plenty of exposure.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/historical/423138

Just as a sample. And if you want to leverage some metric for what constitutes "exposure" we can create a giant list of players who went on to be stars who were given insane amounts of exposure.

dIEHARD said:
Wait, you argue about things getting the same exposure ... then bring up ESPN?

lol dude
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Yeah, I did. I know it's cool to hate on ESPN and SI and the ilk (they deserve a lot of it) but they a pretty damn good job of filling air by overanalyzing everything and everybody. And you conveniently forgot the massive amounts of sports sites, blogs, vlogs that make up modern sports reporting. Of course big schools still draw the biggest players. But you can't honestly say that there are AAA athletes at small schools in smaller areas that couldn't leverage their local celebrity too.
 
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