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[kai3345]

Manziel is an idiot

 

[DominoKid]

why they hating on a youngin?

 

[jchap]

Just a sample of highly selected players who are NFL stars that no one ever heard of before draft time.

Except, they had plenty of exposure.

*LINKS DRAFT PROFILE*

lol

 

[kirblar]

The NCAA is a terrible organization, but this guy is a complete tool who's parading himself around like a pop star. He needs the wake up call.

 

[WanderingWind]

lol

...yeah, those reports are not created from the ether. Neither are the high school recruiting reports. I can't believe we're talking about NFL careers anyway. That's wholly irrelevant to college stars getting paid. I think anybody even only passingly familiar with football understands that college star doesn't translate 1-to-1 in pro success.

 

[friskykillface]

I really hate the NCAA, let Johnny cook

him and the infinite number of college athletes that make money for the NCAA is crazy.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

I really hate the NCAA, let Johnny cook

him and the infinite number of college athletes that make money for the NCAA is crazy.

The NCAA really doesn't get a lot from football. They make their money during March Madness as they actually run the tournament, etc. Outside of football and basketball, there really isn't money to be made in general - so the other sports probably should be thanking the NCAA... and title IX.

The BCS and bowl system is what gets the football money by running their own postseason format.

 

[diehard]

Except, they had plenty of exposure.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/historical/423138

Just as a sample. And if you want to leverage some metric for what constitutes "exposure" we can create a giant list of players who went on to be stars who were given insane amounts of exposure.

We should compare the exposure of someone like Matt Barkley to Mike Glennon. Except it would make your argument look silly.

 

[Guhnmystro]

Just a sample of highly selected players who are NFL stars that no one ever heard of before draft time.

Demarcus Ware
Joe Flaco
Jason Pierre-Paul
Chris Johnson

Kurt Werner

 

[Draxal]

The NCAA really doesn't get a lot from football. They make their money during March Madness as they actually run the tournament, etc. Outside of football and basketball, there really isn't money to be made in general - so the other sports probably should be thanking the NCAA... and title IX.

The BCS and bowl system is what gets the football money by running their own postseason format.

Football makes money because it gets great ratings due to the limited number of games they play, compared to basketball. TV Revenue, plus it's usually the sport that boosters go apeshit over (HI Boone).

If the power conferences and some other Div 1 conferences split the NCAA is beyond fucked, and it truly screws the D2 and D3 colleges as the NCAA handles a lot of the logistics for them.

 

[WanderingWind]

We should compare the exposure of someone like Matt Barkley to Mike Glennon. Except it would make your argument look silly.

Except you clearly don't understand my argument, based on this. Not sure what the issue is, so let me try again.

Matt Barkley would've made more money off his celebrity than Mike Glennon. But that does not mean that Glennon would not have made any money off his talents. Barkley already went to a bigger school. This is not something that can be fixed - some schools are bigger than others. That does not mean that the smaller schools do not have their fans who would be willing to pay for memorabilia or local appearances.

 

[diehard]

Except you clearly don't understand my argument, based on this. Not sure what the issue is, so let me try again.

Matt Barkley would've made more money off his celebrity than Mike Glennon. But that does not mean that Glennon would not have made any money off his talents. Barkley already went to a bigger school. This is not something that can be fixed - some schools are bigger than others. That does not mean that the smaller schools do not have their fans who would be willing to pay for memorabilia or local appearances.

I never said they couldn't make anything.

I said the larger , more exposed schools would have even larger recruiting advantage, which they would.

 

[WanderingWind]

I never said they couldn't make anything.

I said the larger , more exposed schools would have even larger recruiting advantage, which they would.

Except there are players that break through from smaller schools all the time. I'm still not convinced this is an argument. The system as is clearly fucked up and obviously the schools paying the players would be exactly what you're talking about. Seems that putting the opportunity solely on the player to leverage his own name as he seems fit is the best solution.

 

[Dead Man]

meanwhile the NCAA officials are living large in part pimping his likeness and fame. fair trade uh.

Indeed.

 

[OriginalNameGuy]

So is A&M ever going to discipline this guy? Guy can't stay out of trouble

 

[Kusagari]

Except there are players that break through from smaller schools all the time. I'm still not convinced this is an argument. The system as is clearly fucked up and obviously the schools paying the players would be exactly what you're talking about. Seems that putting the opportunity solely on the player to leverage his own name as he seems fit is the best solution.

The thing is that basically any player of minor note would heavily benefit from being on a team in the SEC, Notre Dame, Ohio State, etc. Just by being associated with those colleges they could use their own name to make tons of pocket money.

It definitely would tilt the scales even more toward the larger schools in recruiting. That's not really debatable.

 

[Dead Man]

The thing is that basically any player of minor note would heavily benefit from being on a team in the SEC, Notre Dame, Ohio State, etc. Just by being associated with those colleges they could use their own name to make tons of pocket money.

It definitely would tilt the scales even more toward the larger schools in recruiting. That's not really debatable.

I am much more worried about student athletes being compensated for the money they make for the school than I am about school parity, which is broken no matter what you do.

 

[killertofu]

Go Gata

 

[Basileus777]

The thing is that basically any player of minor note would heavily benefit from being on a team in the SEC, Notre Dame, Ohio State, etc. Just by being associated with those colleges they could use their own name to make tons of pocket money.

It definitely would tilt the scales even more toward the larger schools in recruiting. That's not really debatable.

A little less parity (which doesn't exist to begin with) is a fine trade for loosening the NCAA's absurd racket.

 

[WanderingWind]

The thing is that basically any player of minor note would heavily benefit from being on a team in the SEC, Notre Dame, Ohio State, etc. Just by being associated with those colleges they could use their own name to make tons of pocket money.

It definitely would tilt the scales even more toward the larger schools in recruiting. That's not really debatable.

This wouldn't change anything. The big schools have that tilt already. There are limited positions for the star players, so once again, the stars at smallers schools would still be able to create opportunities for themselves. Whereas right now, those same players are basically twice fucked over. There is no fixing the fact that some schools are bigger, but at some point you have to start caring about the individuals and not just the organization. Letting the players make their own money would be good for the individuals. That's not really debatable, either.

 

[THRILLH0]

This kid ain't going be shit in the NFL.

Better make hay while the sun shines.

 

[H.Cornerstone]

Problem is most AD run at a loss so once you are paying players good bye to Olympic sports. Also, these kids are getting a free education, food, boarding and coaching which can be worth 60-70k a year. I don't feel to bad for them.

Also, Manziel was allowed to trademark Johnny Football and make money off of that I believe

 

[Yaboosh]

Problem is most AD run at a loss so once you are paying players good bye to Olympic sports. Also, these kids are getting a free education, food, boarding and coaching which can be worth 60-70k a year. I don't feel to bad for them.

Also, Manziel was allowed to trademark Johnny Football and make money off of that I believe

Doesn't TAMU own that trademark until he graduates or something?

 

[Meier]

I read the original ESPN story and was laughing when it said he did it in a room filled with people. Dude is like, "Fuck it, I won the Heisman. Kick me out, I'll still go pro." Probably won't amount to anything, but TAMU is basically a cult.. he is set for life regardless.

 

[mittelos]

Guarantee you that this will turn out to be a "misunderstanding" and he "didn't know" the autographs were gonna be sold. No way one of the money makers sits any games.

 

[Forceatowulf]

NCAA: "How dare he make money off of his fame! That's what we do! *hugs money*"

How is this shit still allowed, man... *sigh*

 

[Dead Man]

Problem is most AD run at a loss so once you are paying players good bye to Olympic sports. Also, these kids are getting a free education, food, boarding and coaching which can be worth 60-70k a year. I don't feel to bad for them.

Also, Manziel was allowed to trademark Johnny Football and make money off of that I believe

Getting rid of the ban on kids making money doesn't mean the school have to pay them massive wages, or any wages at all. There is no perfect answer of course, but I would like to see the help making some of the money that flies around in college football.

 

[JDSN]

I had no idea NCAA was actually a struggling business that is actually helping America's youth until I entered this thread.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

If we start giving college players money can we give Reggie Bush his Heisman back?

 

[LuchaShaq]

This is indeed the reason.

People seem to want college football to basically pro football for some reason, however.

Why not? It already is pro football in all the worst ways, but none of the good ways.

- Shit level of football even compared to pre season.
- NCAA Greed makes the worst NFL owners look like Saints.
- A hilarious way of determining who fights for the title.fr

 

[cashman]

If we start giving college players money can we give Reggie Bush his Heisman back?

No since Vince should have won that one anyways.

 

[Chichikov]

Problem is most AD run at a loss so once you are paying players good bye to Olympic sports. Also, these kids are getting a free education, food, boarding and coaching which can be worth 60-70k a year. I don't feel to bad for them.

Why do we have to fund Olympic sports by not paying college athletes?
It's one thing if we had a CBA and they voted to take a pay cut in order to pay for Olympics sports or whatever, but that's not what going on, some rich old people got together and decided that they mustn't get paid, because reasons.

Also, the whole "they're getting an education" argument would be more persuasive if -
a. Coaches didn't make millions of dollars.
b. All the schools colluded to pay the athletes like that.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Why not? It already is pro football in all the worst ways, but none of the good ways.

- Shit level of football even compared to pre season.
- NCAA Greed makes the worst NFL owners look like Saints.
- A hilarious way of determining who fights for the title.fr

- It's an amateur game filled with 18-22 year olds. Of course the level of play will be different vs. professionals in their field.
- NCAA makes very little from football.
- NCAA is locked out of messing with the postseason format. They have nothing to do with how the champ is determined. In the lower levels, there is a competent playoff system, though. But nobody cares about the FCS, Division II or Division III.

As for Olympic sports, pesky federal law will probably force them to get paid equally. No way allowing an unequal pay structure will fly. It's going to be a complex issue for sure.

 

[Lonestar]

I read the original ESPN story and was laughing when it said he did it in a room filled with people. Dude is like, "Fuck it, I won the Heisman. Kick me out, I'll still go pro." Probably won't amount to anything, but TAMU is basically a cult.. he is set for life regardless.

He hasn't been out of High School 3 years yet. Would have to wait till next summer to get into the NFL. That's the NFL's rule.

 

[ThisWreckage]

The NCAA and Manzeil are perfect for one another. It's a competition of who can be more stupid and egotistical out of the two.

 

[bucknuticus]

All this couldnt happen to a nicer guy.

 

[diffusionx]

Problem is most AD run at a loss so once you are paying players good bye to Olympic sports. Also, these kids are getting a free education, food, boarding and coaching which can be worth 60-70k a year. I don't feel to bad for them.

Also, Manziel was allowed to trademark Johnny Football and make money off of that I believe

1. Manziel can't make a dime off Johnny Football right now. He can't make a dime off anything, actually. There was a guy who got in hot water with the NCAA for posting a rap video on Youtube with advertisements.

2. $70k a year is a 95% discount for a guy like Manziel. Texas A&M has made millions of dollars selling him out and he gets none of it. Would you sell your services to an organization that is paying you 5% of what you could make?

3. $70k a year could be a decent amount of money for someone, though... but he or she is not allowed to negotiate for it. That's the screwed up part. They can't negotiate. How would you feel if you could only take your skills to one job that paid you one rate you had no say in?

4. Olympic sports are nice but I'm not about to say that this exploitation is okay because we have swim and track programs.

 

[-NeoTB1-]

The NCAA and Manzeil are perfect for one another. It's a competition of who can be more stupid and egotistical out of the two.

Heh, agreed.

 

[ThisWreckage]

This country has lost its fucking mind with athlete and celebrity worship. I cannot believe that people are for college athletes getting paid. Ridiculous. It's almost like people have forgotten what universities are and where the priorities should be.

 

[bucknuticus]

1. Manziel can't make a dime off Johnny Football right now. He can't make a dime off anything, actually. There was a guy who got in hot water with the NCAA for posting a rap video on Youtube with advertisements.

2. $70k a year is a 95% discount for a guy like Manziel. Texas A&M has made millions of dollars selling him out and he gets none of it. Would you sell your services to an organization that is paying you 5% of what you could make?

3. $70k a year could be a decent amount of money for someone, though... but he or she is not allowed to negotiate for it. That's the screwed up part. They can't negotiate. How would you feel if you could only take your skills to one job that paid you one rate you had no say in?

4. Olympic sports are nice but I'm not about to say that this exploitation is okay because we have swim and track programs.

Dont like how the NCAA operates? Dont play in it, they can go play football in other places and skip college and get paid.

 

[Byakuya769]

This country has lost its fucking mind with athlete and celebrity worship. I cannot believe that people are for college athletes getting paid. Ridiculous. It's almost like people have forgotten what universities are and where the priorities should be.

I think college football and the NCAA forgot what Universities were and where their priorities should be a long time ago.

 

[Chichikov]

Dont like how the NCAA operates? Dont play in it, they can go play football in other places and skip college and get paid.

A single school can decide not to pay athletes, when practically all of them do that it's textbook collusion.
Also, you really underplay the role of colleges in the future earning opportunities of football players.

This country has lost its fucking mind with athlete and celebrity worship. I cannot believe that people are for college athletes getting paid. Ridiculous. It's almost like people have forgotten what universities are and where the priorities should be.

Football is popular and it makes a shitton of money, you really don't think the athletes should be compensated?
Is it better for that money to go people who do not play the game (which can be quite dangerous)?

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

This country has lost its fucking mind with athlete and celebrity worship. I cannot believe that people are for college athletes getting paid. Ridiculous. It's almost like people have forgotten what universities are and where the priorities should be.

Dont like how the NCAA operates? Dont play in it, they can go play football in other places and skip college and get paid.

Yep. A lot of crazy talk in this thread.

 

[bucknuticus]

A single school can decide not to pay athletes, when practically all of them do that it's textbook collusion.
Also, you really underplay the role of colleges in the future earning opportunities of football players.

Im not underplaying it, if you want to play in the NFL college football is pretty much a must. So its either play by these rules, go play in Europe/Canada, or go get a normal job.

Football is popular and it makes a shitton of money, you really don't think the athletes should be compensated?
Is it better for that money to go people who do not play the game (which can be quite dangerous)?

They do get compensation, they get free tuition, food, room, monthly stipend, tutors, access to special facilities, etc.

 

[Meier]

He hasn't been out of High School 3 years yet. Would have to wait till next summer to get into the NFL. That's the NFL's rule.

Dude, who do you think you're talking to?! Of course I am aware of that. He could still play CFL or something for a year or just work out independently and start cashing in once he's ineligible. He clearly has checked out.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Problem is most AD run at a loss so once you are paying players good bye to Olympic sports. Also, these kids are getting a free education, food, boarding and coaching which can be worth 60-70k a year. I don't feel to bad for them.

Also, Manziel was allowed to trademark Johnny Football and make money off of that I believe

The NHL and NBA players play in the olympics. They don't play for free.

 

[Lonestar]

Dude, who do you think you're talking to?! Of course I am aware of that. He could still play CFL or something for a year or just work out independently and start cashing in once he's ineligible. He clearly has checked out.

Don't make me have to slap another FSU fan. ;P

 

[bucknuticus]

The NHL and NBA players play in the olympics. They don't play for free.

Olympic sports in the case mean track & field, swimming, etc.

 

[Chichikov]

Im not underplaying it, if you want to play in the NFL college football is pretty much a must. So its either play by these rules, go play in Europe/Canada, or go get a normal job.

I think the rules are fucked up, that's the point.
It's fine to argue that the rules are fine, but you should defend them rather than saying "well those are the rules".
I mean shit, at some point not letting black people play were "those are the rules".

 

[bucknuticus]

I think the rules are fucked up, that's the point.
It's fine to argue that the rules are fine, but you should defend them rather than saying "well those are the rules".
I mean shit, at some point not letting black people play were "those are the rules".

Im not just saying those are the rules, I think all the things players get free now is more than enough. So they can either go with that, or they can go with the other options