firehawk12
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Or people could stop treating women as fetishistic objects. But that's hard.
That said, I'm buying the game because I like Vanillaware games. But I'm totally aware of what the game represents.
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That said, I'm buying the game because I like Vanillaware games. But I'm totally aware of what the game represents.
If you'd like I could complain about violence some more. Been playing a lot of Tomb Raider, the inconsistent treatment of violence is bugging me a little. Not much, but a little.
No it's people that grew up with games that are now realizing what's wrong with it. There is nothing dumb about it. The same discussions happened with film and are still ongoing.
It's just so strange to me that we're having this discussion again.
Do books corrupt people? No.
Do songs corrupt people? No.
Do movies corrupt people? No.
Does video game violence corrupt people? No.
Does the portrayal of women in video games corrupt people? Oh gosh, maybe!
If the art disgusts you and you want nothing to do with it fine, more power to you, but there's this growing sentiment that it is also harming the way women are viewed in life and that sexism and misogyny in video games translate to sexism and misogyny in the real world, which is just absurd.
Hot Coldman
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I am so far beyond giving a fuck about anything to do with Dragon's Crown that I've just been shrugging at everything I've seen
Is that OK
Is that OK
firehawk12
Subete no aware
That's not really the (broader) discussion at all though.
It's ok, I'm tired of it as well.
What is the broader discussion? This sexism in gaming thing blew up with Sarkeesian's kickstarter and videos and that was the closing argument of her first video.
Hey, just letting you all know that you can feel up those hot female npcs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex133LSR6xE (NSFW, probably)
Jason Schreiber was right. He was right all along. ;_;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex133LSR6xE (NSFW, probably)
Jason Schreiber was right. He was right all along. ;_;
I've never seen people attempt to argue that it corrupts people or something (although obviously anything has an impression in the sense that it forms part of a larger view of gaming as a whole).
I think it's just be nice if maybe less games had these implicit messages in them or whatever. Project X Zone being a raging fanservice game is one thing. Hell, Dragon's Crown being a raging fanservice game is pretty much the same thing. But sometimes games that I think aren't even trying to say anything on that front just become automatically kind of dumbshit about it and I think that blows.
Meh, discussion of gender politics and sex-based messaging in videogames has been around long before Sarkeesian
I think it's just be nice if maybe less games had these implicit messages in them or whatever. Project X Zone being a raging fanservice game is one thing. Hell, Dragon's Crown being a raging fanservice game is pretty much the same thing. But sometimes games that I think aren't even trying to say anything on that front just become automatically kind of dumbshit about it and I think that blows.
Meh, discussion of gender politics and sex-based messaging in videogames has been around long before Sarkeesian
Well, uh, that's certainly something. It fits how the game is but it doesn't excuse it from being too much in my opinion. I can candle the way the characters look, but a moaning woman when you touch her is a bit much.
Incandenza
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Has anyone seen an instance of people actually finding the Dragon's Crown art sexy instead of grotesque? I can feel alright about that game in the sense that it's so thoroughly absurd that it can only be taken as an exaggerated parody of old fantasy art. This as opposed to something like Dead or Alive, where someone at Team Ninja clearly thinks that Kasumi's gyrating, sentient breasts are just what your dick needed.
Ewwww....
This is a silly easter egg, much like MGS4's jiggling breasts (remember those, like 5 years ago?).
The whole point of this screen is to choose between the A or B paths in a level, it just so happens you can tweak a barbarian man's nipple, try to tickle a woman or feel up a female orc on the same screen.
A silly joke. Love Kamitani.
Spirit of Jazz
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Has anybody argued against this? Can you find on post throughout the history on the subject that people want to censor what the artist can draw? Most of the talk on NeoGAF is people getting upset that folks can have negative opinions of an artist work. I think the fact that the GB guys bring up they're not offended but it would be silly to tell other people what they should/shouldn't find offensive and the first comment here is someone mocking people who find it offensive is telling enough about this whole issue on GAF.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Culture is a reflection of a society and society is represented in culture. It's not that characters being sexualized in a game or a film or pin up poster necessarily means that everyone is sexist, but it does mean that there's a broader culture that accepts that form of sexualization as the norm.
I mean, you look at something like the male gaze in film and televisual media. That's not to say that all guys are into creepshots and are constantly staring at women's asses or breasts or whatever it is that you or the filmmaker might be into, but the voyeuristic and fetishistic manner that some directors use the male gaze to portray women are used precisely because that voyeuristic fetishization that titillates on some level. Michael Bay is probably the prime example of someone who just likes to put the camera on his female leads for that particular effect.
And it's not really a question of whether or not having a man bend over while a camera zooms in on his ass is any better. Because that leads to silly arguments like "women can be violent against men!" and stuff like that which ultimately go nowhere. It's a question of how the culture chooses to represent itself, and why symbols are used to represent certain people.
StevePharma
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Lol how is this bad? You aren't required to it though right ?
Be prepared when Hatsune Miku comes out in the West soon and you can poke and stroke some vocaloids who make noises when you do that. This is nothing special, right? Maybe it's just me.
ShockingAlberto
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Check many of the DC threads.
I suppose it's fine, in its own way, not see anything wrong with it, but there was some male gaze intent in designing these characters for sure.
You're misinterpreting this as some kind of puritanical thing when it really isn't. Most people who complain about this, do so because it makes them feel uncomfortable or embarrassed. The reasons do tend to vary from person to person, but I think you're already on a wrong track to understanding people who feel this way if you think they see it as "corrupting".
StevePharma
Member
That definitely seems the case but that's not a bad thing in my book, I agree. As discussed on the latest 8-4 podcast, Kamitani does a lot more suggestive art for things like Japanese New Year cards and such.
Wouldn't say I'm offended by the art in DC, I'm just embarrassed by it. I'd enjoy it more if the art style represented something with more restraint like Odin Sphere or even Muramasa. I couldn't imagine playing this game with my friends. This art style is just not for me. More power to people who like it I guess.
LEND ME YOUR POWER
Then it just becomes "I don't like this art/style/whatever, make one I do."
I also think the amount of sexualization in video games is way overblown. I can't even think of five major games released this year that sexualizes characters in way people could find embarresing. I'm having trouble thinking of more than just Dragon's Crown. If the list of offenders can't even fill up the five fingers on my hand what's the point of complaining about them?
funkystudent
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Dragons Crown looks ugly as hell. Whatever about teh bewbs but the rest of the art doesnt look very nice ether.
Also was shocked its $50. Looks like it should be $15.
Who is this game made for?
Also was shocked its $50. Looks like it should be $15.
Who is this game made for?
rakkadakka
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Embarrassed is the word.
UGLY? psssh
djplaeskool
Member
Me.
Double dipped on the import.
25+ hours played and counting.
I adore Kamitani's style, not only because it plays on the classic fantasy themes I grew up engrossed in, but because it's so striking and unique, especially in motion.
GOTY contender for me.
Haunted
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I know which answer you're baiting, and I agree.
That means they need to turn on the Wii U.
djplaeskool
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That was a lifetime ago. :'(
MiniBossBattle
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Pikmin 3 won't work on that.
Beast Legacy
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I can understand both sides to the DC argument and what people like and don't like about the game.
I'm of two minds when it comes to Skullgirls myself. On one hand, the oversized and unproportionate breasts are a bit too much but on the other, the devs are doing pretty much everything I'd want a modern fighting game to do. They are releasing on PC, doing a beta (that lasts in perpetuity for the community to test new upcoming changes), have good tutorials (in a perfect world SG's tutorials should be the bare minimum for all fighters from now on), releasing each DLC character free for the first few months (they are priced later), using the best netcode in all of fighting games, etc. In the end, I'm supporting them with my dollar because as much as the artstyle doesn't appeal to me, I really want the things Skullgirls does right to be adopted by everyone else in the genre.
I'm of two minds when it comes to Skullgirls myself. On one hand, the oversized and unproportionate breasts are a bit too much but on the other, the devs are doing pretty much everything I'd want a modern fighting game to do. They are releasing on PC, doing a beta (that lasts in perpetuity for the community to test new upcoming changes), have good tutorials (in a perfect world SG's tutorials should be the bare minimum for all fighters from now on), releasing each DLC character free for the first few months (they are priced later), using the best netcode in all of fighting games, etc. In the end, I'm supporting them with my dollar because as much as the artstyle doesn't appeal to me, I really want the things Skullgirls does right to be adopted by everyone else in the genre.
Jeff mentioned last week that they hadn't gotten a copy of the game yet, there will probably be a QL this week.
Haha
Well that's pretty juvenile. There's exaggerated art styles, and then there's being 12 years old. Still want to play the game, but I absolutely get how some of the choices made regarding presentation can be seen as off-putting and exclusionary. Not just a character design thing.
Chance Hale
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You can touch most things in the game and get a gag. Believe you can tweak the Dwarf's nipple, get the mouse to dance, etc.
If anything it's a call back to the D&D games where you can do the same thing with the cursor in the shops. And wow at the person saying this looks like a 15 dollar game, people can be very silly.
If anything it's a call back to the D&D games where you can do the same thing with the cursor in the shops. And wow at the person saying this looks like a 15 dollar game, people can be very silly.
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