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I need to be a badass like Anastacio, only problem is I'm the one in her house. :P My future roommates are taking bloody forever to find an apartment, I was supposed to me moved with in them by now.

Move out as soon as you can and cut her out of your life...no matter what she's says or does. If you don't then she will drive you crazy. Don't get me wrong, its not her fault its yours. You're not mature enough to make the right decision ad you're not ready to balance your life with her drama filled one. But that's ok everyone has been there. She's toxic, plain and simple. You can't remain in contact with her.
 
I need to be a badass like Anastacio, only problem is I'm the one in her house. :P My future roommates are taking bloody forever to find an apartment, I was supposed to me moved with in them by now.

Have in mind, that me and my ex-girlfriend had been together for like 15 months but we had also broken up like 5-8 times. Especially in recent months have we broken up many times, so it was an "easier" choice for me (I don't know how I'll feel when I wake up). But as soon as she began on that shit with "I'm really moody now and I'm thinking of breaking you up" - at that time I directly said: "Well, I'll break up. I'm done with you."
 
I like a more "active" date early on. She's probably been on dozens of "dinner dates" so if you want to stand out, take a risk on the date, don't do the plain vanilla idea. Mini golf sounds great. Bowling. The beach (if you're close to one). Bike riding. Do you have a rock climbing gym near you? I see people on dates at my gym all the time, and they seem to go really well. Museums if you're into that kind of thing. Cooking class? Depends on what there is to do where you live, but there are likely tons of date ideas near you. Keep in mind that if you do something more "active" you can always go to dinner or just grab a quick bite to eat afterward. I also think that if you do an activity rather than something like "dinner and a movie" it's easier for the conversation to flow, but that's just me.

That sounds good. She lives in Atlanta so there are plenty of things to do. I just didn't know if dinner should happen on one of the first few dates as a way of signifying that, yes, we are dating and I am interested in you romantically. I guess I've always thought of a dinner date as a stronger statement than an activity date, but maybe that's just me over-analyzing things.
 
I had a really great second date today, and she actually asked to see me again without any prompting, which is awesome. Everything is going super well...but I'm still anxious about it. I keep thinking back to a couple of years ago when I went out with this girl three times and we made out for well over an hour. Then the 4th time I saw her, I could tell something was different when we kissed. The next time we saw each other she said she didn't want to see me anymore. I still have no idea what changed, and it makes me hesitant to feel relaxed and feel safe about this. I really, really like this girl. I wish I could relax!
 
I had a really great second date today, and she actually asked to see me again without any prompting, which is awesome. Everything is going super well...but I'm still anxious about it. I keep thinking back to a couple of years ago when I went out with this girl three times and we made out for well over an hour. Then the 4th time I saw her, I could tell something was different when we kissed. The next time we saw each other she said she didn't want to see me anymore. I still have no idea what changed, and it makes me hesitant to feel relaxed and feel safe about this. I really, really like this girl. I wish I could relax!

Lol this happened to me a few months ago. Hope it doesn't happen to you again.
 
Ok, this may seem trite but I suffer from anxiety and am not sure how to proceed:

Met a girl this weekend at a wedding. Hit it off all night talking about films, danced together by the last song and she gave me her number and a small kiss goodnight; neither of my prompting. We have been texting a little through today and she friended me on facebook.

Thing is she will be returning to school by the end of the month and I am having anxiety about how/what I should suggest to do to see her again.

I have no difficulties when I am actually with women but I suffer from abnormal anxiety and concern in the in-between. Obviously she would be/is expecting to see me again but I am tormented on how to proceed in terms of timing (is trying to hang out monday or tuesday too soon etc). Any advice would be very helpful!
 
I had a really great second date today, and she actually asked to see me again without any prompting, which is awesome. Everything is going super well...but I'm still anxious about it. I keep thinking back to a couple of years ago when I went out with this girl three times and we made out for well over an hour. Then the 4th time I saw her, I could tell something was different when we kissed. The next time we saw each other she said she didn't want to see me anymore. I still have no idea what changed, and it makes me hesitant to feel relaxed and feel safe about this. I really, really like this girl. I wish I could relax!

Dude, relax :p There is no way of telling why the previous girl decided to bail. But no girl is the same. And it is most likely that when a girl likes you, she will keep liking you.

Ok, this may seem trite but I suffer from anxiety and am not sure how to proceed:

Met a girl this weekend at a wedding. Hit it off all night talking about films, danced together by the last song and she gave me her number and a small kiss goodnight; neither of my prompting. We have been texting a little through today and she friended me on facebook.

Thing is she will be returning to school by the end of the month and I am having anxiety about how/what I should suggest to do to see her again.

I have no difficulties when I am actually with women but I suffer from abnormal anxiety and concern in the in-between. Obviously she would be/is expecting to see me again but I am tormented on how to proceed in terms of timing (is trying to hang out monday or tuesday too soon etc). Any advice would be very helpful!

Euh... see if a next meet up comes naturally trhough the texting convo? If not, just say: "hey, I was planning on going here and here next thursday/friday/saturday/whatever. Would be cool to do it with you." Tada. Don't overthink it, just see how it goes.

Anyway, small anecdote: Yesterday I went to the birthday of a friend of mine in a small city, together with another mutual female friend. It was a beautiful perfect sunny day, so we got something to drink on a terace in the city, and from there we walked to his place, to eat the apple pie and drink the scotch we got him.

The route to his apartment takes us right past the place of a girl I used to see. On the first date we ended up in bed together and did everything aside from actual sex. Second date we did have sex, as well as the third. And we made pancakes, watched movies, started writing a script off of a song we both really like, danced together. Had a great time. But she was really busy, wasn't completely over an ex, had some other stuff, so we decided to end it before we got too close. (which it was on the verge of) That went pretty well, no heartbreak or whatever. I posted about it on GAF a couple of months ago.

Needless to say, as I walked past her street I thought about those three dates, with a big smile on my face. Lots of good memories.

So I'm at my friends place enjoying a fine scotch and apple pie (was a soft smooth honey scotch, went really well with the pie) and I got a text from the girl, wondering if she saw me walking by, or if she was just hallucinating. So we text a bit, flirt a bit and she invites me to get something to eat. Her sister was also there, so it would be the three of us.

As I'm walking to her house I'm thinking how weird the situation is. I hadn't thought about her in a month, so I had no clue what to expect. She's standing in the kitchen where we made the pancakes at two o'clock at night when she sees me walking by, and gives me the biggest smile as she walks to the door. When she opens the door the smell of her perfume, mingled with the scent of a cake she's baking in the oven, comes towards me and hits me in the gut.

I was just starting to fall in love with her when we ended it, and it wasn't a big deal. But when I stood in that dooropening and I smelled her perfume, and saw her standing there, radiant, in a breezy summerdress...man...I almost fell to pieces. Really wasn't expecting THAT.

We both have a big smile on our face, and over her shoulder I can see her little sister. So I'm thinking: perhaps I shouldn't pull her into my arms with her sister standing there. I politely introduce myself and the rest of the evening is a bit weird. Fun, but weird. We had disgusting pizza in the park, where we fed the ducks, and listened to a couple of songs from the singer/comedian we both liked. We're flirting a bit, still have great chemistry. But we really had to hold back because of her sister (who was a really nice girl)

After seeing the sun set and finishing our ice-cream they're heading back to her place, where her sister is staying over for the night, and I head back to Amsterdam by train. Being amused at how life can sometimes hit you with nice surprises out of nowhere.

Now we're texting again about stuff, and she was curious about what I was writing at the moment, so I just sent her the first chapter of my book. So pretty cool. On the other hand, I'm not expecting it to go anywhere. She's still swamped with work, and I'm not sure if she's over the stuff with her ex. And I'm completely over her (though it didn't really seem like that yesterday)

Aside from that I have a date tonight with someone who is in med school, also had a desk job in a gym (just like I do), shares my sense of humor, is as much into sports as I am, and has an awesome personality. Kind of teasy, bullheaded. I like her. So we'll see how that goes. Yesterday was just unexpected and fun. Just wanted to share :)
 
That sounds good. She lives in Atlanta so there are plenty of things to do. I just didn't know if dinner should happen on one of the first few dates as a way of signifying that, yes, we are dating and I am interested in you romantically. I guess I've always thought of a dinner date as a stronger statement than an activity date, but maybe that's just me over-analyzing things.

In my opinion you're overthinking it a bit. You're sending her strong signals by contacting her for additional dates. Sure, if you kept suggesting coffee or a quick drink or something else that wasn't too long in duration then perhaps you'd be sending her the wrong signals, but I don't think you have to do dinner to make it seem "real".
 
Ok, this may seem trite but I suffer from anxiety and am not sure how to proceed:

Met a girl this weekend at a wedding. Hit it off all night talking about films, danced together by the last song and she gave me her number and a small kiss goodnight; neither of my prompting. We have been texting a little through today and she friended me on facebook.

Thing is she will be returning to school by the end of the month and I am having anxiety about how/what I should suggest to do to see her again.

I have no difficulties when I am actually with women but I suffer from abnormal anxiety and concern in the in-between. Obviously she would be/is expecting to see me again but I am tormented on how to proceed in terms of timing (is trying to hang out monday or tuesday too soon etc). Any advice would be very helpful!

Well, if she's going back to school (and there's distance involved that makes it unreasonable to either party), then take it for what it is...a fun little connection. Just respond with something like:

"For sure let's get together. I've got some time during the week if that works for you (Tuesday?) If not, let's plan for doing insert activity here[/U] on insert day/time here."

You're cool, in control, and likeable without applying any pressure or seeming needy/questioning/anxious.
 
Maybe I have a new date on Saturday, but right now I'm using my time on training and working. I'm actually feeling okay being single after a 15 month relationship.
 
Haha this is just weird. As I had nothing to do today I thought it was funny to create an account on OkCupid and see what would show up (I came upon this topic through the OkCupid topic on GAF). Filled in a lot of questions - What came up as best matches for me? The girl I liked from my work. Didn't knew she was on the site haha. It shows that I visited her profile but I'm fine with that. Less scared of her knowing it.

She has an age request of 25-31 and I'm 23 but awh well. I'll probably talk to her tomorrow or later this week (had a day off and I only know her through work) and ask if I can come along to the next drawing meeting monday evening. See how that goes and act on how it goes. Probably just ask if I can come every monday evening and if she is ok with that. If it goes well I'll ask her out.

It's a relief to hear you guys advice not to instantly tell her I like her. For some reason that was just hard for me and it's not that hard to ask her to come along for a drink. Indirect sign of me I like her and from her in some way if she accepts :p
 
To start, I haven't read much of the thread besides the OP (sorry) but I would say my biggest issue doesn't stem mentally, but from having a really bad face in terms of acne and blemishes, which in turn makes it mental. lol

It's not like normal, teen acne. I have incredibly enlarged pores on my nose/cheeks and in turn have really apparent blackheads. They are not that noticeable from normal distance but when you get close they are really noticeable and quite gross. But it gets worse. Cheeks are also red and puffy, my pores being so big means constant acne. It's a mix of regular acne and red bumps that itch like fuck.. no idea why or how I get them. Even worse I sometimes get this cystic acne where big red bumps appear and stay for weeks. I also have combination skin where after washing it's dry but then a couple hours later it gets super oily. It's fucking awful and this ONLY happens on my cheeks which is fucking weird.

I'm 28 and have been dealing with it for about 10 years now and no matter what I do I cannot get rid or even tame it. It's basically destroyed any sort of self confidence I had or would have. I have tried EVERYTHING. Tons of over the counter face washes and creams, multiple dermatologist visits with prescribed creams and pills even going so far earlier this year doing 3 laser treatments (which were fucking $500 each but this shows you how desperate I am), and I tried cutting out dairy completely and tried eating low carb and just generally eating healthier and working out and nada. Nothing works.

So yeah, that's pretty much why I am a hermit and avoid social interaction for the most part. At this point I've pretty much given up.
 
@BizzyBum

I've had acne since 18, the adult kind. I bet you have the same. It has always eroded my mental confidence but I was fortunate that I was still meeting girls even with it. I would always go out and meet girls and fake confidence, and then go home and scream. I'm 27 now and still get the odd zit but its NOTHING like it used to be. When I was around 21 I literally went through my own version of the dark ages. I had acne, cysts, and even 3-in-1 zits. Very painful. I also had them in pretty much every place you can imagine (yes, even there).

What did I do? Well, in 2007 I got a prescription for Accutane, I'm sure you've heard of it. I never actually took the drug because the side-effects deterred me. I just coped with it. When I look back at it now I'm not even sure how I did it, especially when I look at old Facebook photos of me in some club with a completely red face. So, what might your solutions be?

1. You need to believe that other people don't care that you have acne. In my world the girls never cared. I was very fortunate.

2. Take Accutane. Please do EXTENSIVE research if you haven't already. Do I recommend it? NO!

3. Work out and exercise a lot. Drink water, eat vegetables. Also, getting a tan greatly helps.

4. Buy benzoyl peroxide and use it just as a cleaner. There is a soap I used to use that was quite good.

5. Not sure if it helps but I shave tons. Gets rid of dead skin cells.

Who did you genetically inherit acne from? When did he/she get it and when did it stop for them? I got acne from my mother and my timeline for it ending is the exact same as hers. Please don't hesitate to PM me if you want more personal advice on the matter. :)
 
I second caution with accutane. Haven't used it myself but it can be super effective afaik. I sometimes use Basiron which is less effective I suppose but prescription free here at least and usually works wonders. Gaf has an acne-age thread floating around. Check it out if you want help with your issues. Don't look at it as if there's something wrong with you, you'll meet plenty of girls who don't care.
 
I took Accutane. Same issue, though not as bad, but rather it was extremely stubborn underneath my chin for years. Cleared it up well and I still have some left, but I'd say about 80-90% of it is gone.

Still get breakouts though =[
 
Well, I'll take some pics so you guys can see but it'll have to wait until tomorrow, don't have my charger to connect my phone to the PC.
 
I gave my ex (at the time gf) some expensive flowers... they were dead 2 weeks after or something haha. :D

But flowers are generally a very nice idea.
 
Yep, I recently sent a rose bouquet to the girl I want and it was one of the most beautiful things anyone has ever done for her, she said.

A poem can be also a powerful weapon. I kid you not. I sent one on a birthday card to a girl and that card is a decoration on her desk so she can read it whenever she wants.

It was a poem about laughter translated to english from spanish by Pablo Neruda. According to her, it was great in english, but when I read the spanish version to her, she enjoyed it even more.

tl;dr poems are nice too, use a Neruda poem if you can kthxbye
 
A poem can be also a powerful weapon. I kid you not. I sent one on a birthday card to a girl and that card is a decoration on her desk so she can read it whenever she wants.

It was a poem about laughter translated to english from spanish by Pablo Neruda. According to her, it was great in english, but when I read the spanish version to her, she enjoyed it even more.

tl;dr poems are nice too, use a Neruda poem if you can kthxbye

Write a crown of sonnets from maximum damage
Perfect response :lol

Anyway. Seriously long wall of text whine incoming xD Guys, I could probably use a slap in the face right about now (not literally this time, or maybe I do, you tell me). I'm still very much hung up over my fwb. A "quick" recap might be in order: Met her last October but she had a boyfriend. We talked over text for a while but drifted apart. She broke up with her boyfriend and I found out by running into her in a bookstore after new years I believe. She took me home the week after and we hooked up, though sex between us was terrible and always have been due to very poor communication. Me wanting experience from as many girls as possible and her being just out of a long relationship, it seemed like a perfect fit, let's have fun, learn from each other and see what happens. But our feelings grew, though at different rates. I fell deeply in love but since I had not truly experienced that before and and was also conflicted with my own wants and needs in life, I never told her nor was I being honest with myself. I wanted to eat the cake and still have it essentially. Feeling disrespected and mistreated over something that in hindsight was really stupid on my part (though the feelings were legit) led to me breaking up with her. The way I did it was to just break contact and delete her from my life without a word, which in anger felt justified and the correct way to do it according to what I've been taught. It does feel rather immature right now though and it was the beginning of our downfall. But we bounced back, seemingly, and things felt great again. But she wasn't ready for a relationship still and I got incredibly needy and couldn't help myself from pushing her. Somewhere around here she's talking to her ex again and he says or does something to her that destroys her on the inside. To this day I have no clue what happened, though it seemed to require medicine and perhaps therapy to fix. She has refused to tell me, there's only like 2-3 people who know the whole story. She felt comfortable and liked my company enough to want to spend time with me during this phase, with me being an oasis she can escape to. Hearing this made my love even stronger. But I was being really stupid and kept pushing for the truth which made her shut down entirely, no sex, no sleeping over, no getting to know each other. Not knowing what the hell to do to fix everything, I became desperate, made her feel even worse and eventually I left her again because I felt like shit and the situation wasn't fixable. I honestly thought saying goodbye over text wasn't gonna be a big deal, it had been our primary way of talking and I can't recall a single phone call to this day. I was so trapped in my own head that I never really considered what impact all this would have on her. She's always acted even more carefree than me so I didn't even know she had romantic feelings for me at all, though it should've been obvious, all things considered. We didn't speak for a week or so until we decided to meet up and just lash out at each other and vent. It felt very cathartic to me and truly a turning point for us. This was where I realized that most of the issues we had was because of me, or as she put it, I was the one keeping the ghost of her ex alive, stuck in between us, while she was just trying to forget it all while I kept bringing it up. Hearing this I was able to finally let the past go. But she wouldn't have it. The risk of getting hurt a third time was too great, while I truly felt that the third time's the lucky charm. So we drifted apart again. I don't remember all the details of what happened next but during our time apart I became very depressed, crying, always in a terrible mood, not enjoying life at all. I broke up with her because I wanted the summer to be a fresh start with new people to make me feel good but I have never experienced a bigger backfire...

Then she came back. This was maybe 2 months ago, give or take. All of a sudden, after more than a month of radio silence, the time frames are really floating together here for me, a random message of affection appears on facebook, only days after I had deleted my friend request and decided that it's time to move on. And every wall I had built crumbled, every feeling for her that I had kept inside poured out over the next week. Sometimes you just don't know how important and valuable something is until it's gone for good. She was speechless over how I felt for her and so was I to be honest. Having been apart, I had realized that I am in love with her and told her so. But, during our time apart, she had met an old friend that she fell in love with. I have decided not to be angry at her for this, she can't help that nor is it a bad thing for her, and all of this is my fault anyway. I've always told myself that yeah, I've done stupid things to her and hurt her badly, but my actions were always a consequence of hers, so it's on her all of this. But that's not really fair, I'm still the one who acted on my stupid impulses when I had a choice not to, which most likely have cost me a deep meaningful relationship with a dream girl. I have to take responsibility for my own actions and not blame her for them. So for the past month or so, I've been pouring my heart out over facebook and texts, trying to win this girl back. She told me after a week that she is not in a relationship with this guy so that's why, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered probably. She wanted a relationship but he didn't due to his own ex so she wasn't sure what she wanted to do anymore or how she truly felt, which is probably why she started talking more and more with me again. But I'm not sure anymore where this is going. Has everything I've said and done been in vain and been entirely futile, not to mention probably making me look like a psycho and the biggest wimp in history? I considered giving up and being angry after she told me about this new guy, and I did for a day, until I realized that I don't want to lose her without a fight at least. Even with all these troubles, I am in love with her and my affection has only grown throughout all this, as crazy as that may be.

So where are we standing today? You tell me. A broken glass will never look the same, you guys will most likely tell me to forget it all and come out a better person with new wisdoms, which I have already, and not one friend has said anything different. Yet I have refused to listen up to this point. Sending very expensive flowers, most likely being the first to congratulate her on her birthday this Wednesday, trying my hardest not to be pushy and being understanding and explaining my actions and feelings have felt great for me, very cleansing, and she seems to be appreciating it all. I have suggested meeting up to talk and see if there's a spark left between us. But she's a nice enough girl that she hasn't been willing to do something like that since it would hurt the new guy, so respect to her I suppose. Calling has been off the radar as well, but not texting and facebook, which is where everything starts falling apart for me. Why is she doing all this? Everything points to me being on the backburner but I'm not getting the full picture of course. On the other hand, she has never had a vicious nature, she wouldn't keep talking to me just to hurt me more. She could've stopped responding at any minute, even as new arguments arose, but no. That initial facebook contact could've been skipped too. And after her birthday and this last Saturday coming up, she could've chosen not to tell me which club she would be spending her party at. But she told me where she would be and asked me if I wanted to buy her a drink as a present. She could've ignored my texts instead of telling me exactly where to find her. And she definitely could've chosen not to come see me, but she did. I'm pretty sure this guy was present at her party, yet she came back into my arms anyway. Finally, after not seeing each other in real life for almost three months, since the middle of May or so, we found ourselves on either side of a dance floor. She was obviously happy to see me, it felt like the music died and the world stopped during those 3 silent minutes in each others arms, until her friends angrily dragged her off since I'm the bad guy these days.

I wish the story has had a happy ending around here, but no. I don't know what else I can do, or how I should proceed. I had told her that I was going away on vacation to my hometown for the rest of August basically and I'm writing this from there. I asked her Sunday morning if she could meet me for 15 minutes before I left but she couldn't, because of reasons. She's always had a hard time expressing feelings in direct manners, unless they're negative, and trying to force her to make decisions has backfired before so I've tried not to push her as I'm trying to show her that I want to make up for past mistakes and build a new foundation with her if she would let me. Since we couldn't meet up because of what sounded like very poor excuses (making our meeting the night before feel like a courtesy farewell and fuck off basically, but this is also very unlike her), I placed a necklace of mine, that I wore when I met her the first time, in my mailbox. I asked her to go get it for me and safekeep it until I return in a few weeks. If she does, I'll know that my efforts have not been in vain, and if she doesn't, we're through and nothing can ever fix us basically. Felt like an okay and cute indirect manner of telling me if she wants me back or not, though in hindsight maybe quite pushy as well. I'm such a sucker for the cheesy romantic stuff but I don't know if it's having the desired effect or not. I haven't heard a peep since I wrote that to her and it's been close to three days now. She has disappeared like this before though during these few weeks, usually because she doesn't know what to say due to conflicted feelings. She doesn't want to lead me on either but she kinda does anyway. Seeing on her face and body language just how much she likes me and that she has missed me just as much as I her on the dance floor this weekend has made these weeks all worth it to me. I just don't know what she's thinking and/or doing. The thought of her talking to me but not wanting to meet up and the very probable possibility that she regularly goes to bed with this other guy is heart wrenching even though I only have myself to kick for it.

So guys, how much of an idiot am I? I know I've been going on about this girl for ages now and I must sound so dumb :lol But I truly do love this girl and have turned down so many others during these 10~ months because of just how good she has made me feel. Of course, at some point enough is enough. I've made that decision twice now and she once and it has been the wrong decision every time so I can't really trust myself with letting go again. And I won't know for sure that it's over until I come back home on Aug 22nd and check my mailbox, unless she contacts me again. I'm afraid to contact her again after that message too for some reason. I've suggested and tried keeping our conversations light and fun instead of so dead serious and just see what happens, again not to be pushy but since I haven't heard anything, it feels weird going back to talking right now.

I've broken pretty much every principle I stand for with this girl and to some extent, that's why I'm feeling like shit, but it's also the only reason she's still a part of my life, and when I've decided to start applying my rules again, I've only felt worse and made her feel terrible as well. Maybe I'm blinded by love, but even with these issues and shit we're going through, she is my dream girl, the ways she challenge me, intellectually primarily, is something I've never experienced before. I want her to be my reality girl :) Our different outlooks on life is challenging but also makes me feel like I'm learning and developing, and it makes improving myself feel even better. We've always had the potential to be awesome together, we both agree on that and that we've just had bad timing. I don't want to squander that potential by just giving up and moving on. At least not yet. Am I thinking this through correctly at all? I can't tell anymore.

It would seem my efforts have made her warm up to the idea of being with me, otherwise she wouldn't have met me this Saturday, especially not if the new guy was downstairs. On the other hand, she has gone awol again and is obviously not by my side either. Getting away from the apartment and getting some rest here seemed like the proper choice to make but it hasn't been working so far.

TLDR: Leaving my fwb made us both feel like shit and I've been trying to fix it since she came back into my life again but I'm not sure it's working or the right thing to do. I love her and I want her heart more than anything in my life at the moment.
 
Perfect response :lol

Unfortunately, it is lost on me. I don't understand.

Edit: Ok, I was able to read it all.

When to give up? That's a question that none of us can answer. If you see a chance of getting something that you want, it is up to you to decide whether to pursue it or not because no matter how much we write, there always will be little details that we miss and only you know them.

It reminded me a bit of my situation with the gift girl. We have fought over crap, I've messed up and she has messed up. However, our fights haven't made us drift away; on the contrary, we have understood each other even more and we have been able to compromise on things after heated discussions. Even now, I reaaaally messed up, so I apologized because I knew I was wrong. What she answered with seems so trivial that most people would say "it's nothing", but when I add a little detail to that it turns into a coded way of saying "it's ok, apology accepted"

Man, I can't tell you to give up. It would be complete hypocrisy from my part. What I've gone through with this girl has teached me a lot, and the reason I still keep at it is because I really enjoy talking to her, as she does talking to me.

The one thing I notice you haven't done, and it is a good thing, is that you have not taken her for granted. You have fought for her, even with a lot of adversity. So, I can only end this with one question:

Is she worth all the effort you are putting into this?

That, my friend, is something only you can answer.
 
In my opinion you're overthinking it a bit. You're sending her strong signals by contacting her for additional dates. Sure, if you kept suggesting coffee or a quick drink or something else that wasn't too long in duration then perhaps you'd be sending her the wrong signals, but I don't think you have to do dinner to make it seem "real".

Yeah, you're right. It's just a new situation for me so I keep over-thinking things. I talked to her tonight and set up a bowling date for Friday, and I'll suggest grabbing a bite to eat afterward if she's in the mood. Thanks for giving me some much needed perspective haha.
 
Two questions here:

1. My girlfriend moved away to get her masters degree. She's about 3 hours away, which people have been telling me isn't too bad, but I'm still bummed. We've already planned out when we'll see each other for the rest of the month, and our communication is pretty good as well. Anyone have any basic tips for things to work out? I've never done a long distance relationship before.

2. My girlfriend has never had an orgasm in her life. Now before you start hating my game, we've only had sex three times. She isn't really that open with her sexuality. She's opened up a little to me, and she mentioned shes never mastubated either. I've tried the two fingers in the come here motion, focusing on her clitoris when I go down on her, different positions so she can rub herself, etc etc. I mentioned that she should play with herself and see what she likes so that I can get a better idea of what feels good for her. Anyone experience something like this or have any tips?
 
Minamu, love should be mutual. The cold hard truth is, you care way more about her than she does about you. She doesn't even sound like a realiable, stable friend. How will you ever be in a healthy relationship together? Like, ever? What kind of mental gymnastics do you need to perform in your mind to see yourselves together? Because from an outside perspective, shit sounds like it's broken. Your interactions sound toxic, it's a not balanced or helping either of you grow.

You're in an emotional maze thanks to this strong attachment. Most of us have been there. It can be almost impossible to think logically or rationally. However, do your best try and differentiate between lust (which is what this is) and if real love should make you feel this frustrated and alone.
Unfortunately, it is lost on me. I don't understand.
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Two questions here:

1. My girlfriend moved away to get her masters degree. She's about 3 hours away, which people have been telling me isn't too bad, but I'm still bummed. We've already planned out when we'll see each other for the rest of the month, and our communication is pretty good as well. Anyone have any basic tips for things to work out? I've never done a long distance relationship before.

2. My girlfriend has never had an orgasm in her life. Now before you start hating my game, we've only had sex three times. She isn't really that open with her sexuality. She's opened up a little to me, and she mentioned shes never mastubated either. I've tried the two fingers in the come here motion, focusing on her clitoris when I go down on her, different positions so she can rub herself, etc etc. I mentioned that she should play with herself and see what she likes so that I can get a better idea of what feels good for her. Anyone experience something like this or have any tips?
Three hours by car? Jealous! At the end of the month I'll be long distance with my boyfriend. It was kind of like that while we first started dating so I know a bit of what to expect. One thing I would recommend is to keep things pretty flirty and sexual since you can't actually have physical contact with each other. Sexting, sending dirty pictures randomly, webcam sex. It's no substitute for physical intimacy obviously, but what can you do?

As for your girlfriend, hmm. I know a lot of my girl friends and myself were raised to think masturbation was gross or just something girls weren't supposed to do. And orgasming for us a very mental thing. So it can be a hard mental block to get over. A few of my friends refuse to masturbate because they're convinced they just can't or shouldn't.

So first, let her know that you find her playing with herself a turn on. Beyond that though, I'm not sure how shy or uncomfortable she is about it, so I don't want to recommend stuff that would be a bit overwhelming like looking up sex toys together that you guys can try out. (A vibrator can make getting to climax a lot easier than just fingers.) How did she react to your suggestion that she try masturbating? Maybe if you know she's doing it, sexting or sending naughty pictures that would help? She might feel too much pressure to try when you're watching her but stuff like that is a way to "help" even if you're not physically there.
 
TLDR: Leaving my fwb made us both feel like shit and I've been trying to fix it since she came back into my life again but I'm not sure it's working or the right thing to do. I love her and I want her heart more than anything in my life at the moment.

Some of you folks needs to learn how to let go emotionally. She doesn't love you that way man and never will. Lots of girls LOVE attention. If they've decided you're cool and find out you're in love with them many girls will milk that for all its worth emotionally. So there ya go.
 

I'll echo what others have said. And what you have said as well. Try to move on. Of course you feel like she is the one you want to spend your life with, the past ten months she has been on your mind all the time, so it's hard to think of your life without her.

But in those ten months nothing good has come of it. You're not together with her in a stable relationship. All the issues have not been resolved. They're still there, and she's waiting for three days to respond to one of your messages. If everything was ok you wouldn't be in this waiting insecure position. And things probably arent gonna be ok, not after the 22 of august. And if things are not gonna be ok then, what is the new deadline? Ten days later? If it hasn't worked out by then, what's the new date?

How often have you yourself said that it's no good to put too much stock in one girl, and being blind to all others? This is exactly what you're doing. Even I can see a lot of different girls have different things to offer, and I think I'm not even meeting half the women you do. You're missing out on something/someone who is actually good for you. With no drama. Who is not controlling your life in a bad way.

I know it is hard as hell to break off contact with her. Especially since she can contact you whenever she wants, whenever she has the need for emotional support (which you've given enough of in the past). And once she does this you'll end up doing all sorts of mental gymnastics, and even leaving necklaces for her to pick up?

You're a safe haven she can go to whenever she feels like it (this isn't meant as a negative towards her, it's just the way it is). But do you really want to be waiting on her, hoping that she'll start seeing you in a different way?

Break off all contact, and don't talk to her again until you're completely sure you're a hundred percent over her.
 
I'll echo what others have said. And what you have said as well. Try to move on. Of course you feel like she is the one you want to spend your life with, the past ten months she has been on your mind all the time, so it's hard to think of your life without her.

But in those ten months nothing good has come of it. You're not together with her in a stable relationship. All the issues have not been resolved. They're still there, and she's waiting for three days to respond to one of your messages. If everything was ok you wouldn't be in this waiting insecure position. And things probably arent gonna be ok, not after the 22 of august. And if things are not gonna be ok then, what is the new deadline? Ten days later? If it hasn't worked out by then, what's the new date?

How often have you yourself said that it's no good to put too much stock in one girl, and being blind to all others? This is exactly what you're doing. Even I can see a lot of different girls have different things to offer, and I think I'm not even meeting half the women you do. You're missing out on something/someone who is actually good for you. With no drama. Who is not controlling your life in a bad way.

I know it is hard as hell to break off contact with her. Especially since she can contact you whenever she wants, whenever she has the need for emotional support (which you've given enough of in the past). And once she does this you'll end up doing all sorts of mental gymnastics, and even leaving necklaces for her to pick up?

You're a safe haven she can go to whenever she feels like it (this isn't meant as a negative towards her, it's just the way it is). But do you really want to be waiting on her, hoping that she'll start seeing you in a different way?

Break off all contact, and don't talk to her again until you're completely sure you're a hundred percent over her.

You're being used Minamu, listen to this. Not as bad as Servbot, but you're still being used.
 
Guys, I think I need some help - I feel it's tough after my break-up. What do you do after such a thing? I have spent time with a friend and on Saturday I'm gonna be with some friends, I go to the gym and is going on a trip with my father tomorrow. I have also spent time with my nieces.

Is this what I should do to get over it? Because it kind of still hurts inside.
 
Some of you folks needs to learn how to let go emotionally. She doesn't love you that way man and never will. Lots of girls LOVE attention. If they've decided you're cool and find out you're in love with them many girls will milk that for all its worth emotionally. So there ya go.

This. I read last few pages and Minamu's stuff even got to my head. Maybe i should call my ex and.... naaaaah.

I have that ex thing going on for like half a year, but we (i was doing my best, she said i dont wanna see you anymore, so i said myself it's time to stop) burned all the brigdes few weeks ago. She called later 3 times and i even answered once, she said good things, thanks and stuff and even said we can do coffee sometime. Anyway, i'm going thru all this thing, even tho i know i still love her very much. So yeah, it's been half a year for me to actually start moving on and i'm not even sure what i will say if she'll text me something about meeting. You know, feelings. Anyway, sometimes you just need to let go. For me it was always like if you love the person, then never let her/him go. But turns up things can become real shitty and it's time for a change. I know it's unbelievable hard, there were bunch of moments when i really thought thru the stuff and came up with the idea that the girls just not mature enough and i needed to let go but simple couldn't. I mean, it's really stupid to think "she disrespects you and your life" and still try to return her. And not any word will change your mind, you just need to let go somehow. Cut all the communications, throw all the reminders away, do every fucking thing you need to do just to not think of it. Just do it somehow. Yep, it's gonna hurt. Yep, you will remember things. Yep, you will be depressed. But it's just the thing you need to deal with, because if you not, it will hurt you even more.

Guys, I think I need some help - I feel it's tough after my break-up. What do you do after such a thing? I have spent time with a friend and on Saturday I'm gonna be with some friends, I go to the gym and is going on a trip with my father tomorrow. I have also spent time with my nieces.

Is this what I should do to get over it? Because it kind of still hurts inside.

See. Stay strong man, it's not even started. Friends is the best way to get over it. And remember, when you have nothing to do, it will haunt you. So just be busy.
 
Not so much a dating question, as such, more of a question about how to get a date. New girl started at work. Absolutely gorgeous. Sat next to her the last few days, been talking and getting to know her. Worked a way around of finding out if she's single or not. Even managed to worm an invite round hers for dinner. But how would I go about asking her out? I'm shit at stuff like this and kinda awkward too.
 
This. I read last few pages and Minamu's stuff even got to my head. Maybe i should call my ex and.... naaaaah.

I have that ex thing going on for like half a year, but we (i was doing my best, she said i dont wanna see you anymore, so i said myself it's time to stop) burned all the brigdes few weeks ago. She called later 3 times and i even answered once, she said good things, thanks and stuff and even said we can do coffee sometime. Anyway, i'm going thru all this thing, even tho i know i still love her very much. So yeah, it's been half a year for me to actually start moving on and i'm not even sure what i will say if she'll text me something about meeting. You know, feelings. Anyway, sometimes you just need to let go. For me it was always like if you love the person, then never let her/him go. But turns up things can become real shitty and it's time for a change. I know it's unbelievable hard, there were bunch of moments when i really thought thru the stuff and came up with the idea that the girls just not mature enough and i needed to let go but simple couldn't. I mean, it's really stupid to think "she disrespects you and your life" and still try to return her. And not any word will change your mind, you just need to let go somehow. Cut all the communications, throw all the reminders away, do every fucking thing you need to do just to not think of it. Just do it somehow. Yep, it's gonna hurt. Yep, you will remember things. Yep, you will be depressed. But it's just the thing you need to deal with, because if you not, it will hurt you even more.



See. Stay strong man, it's not even started. Friends is the best way to get over it. And remember, when you have nothing to do, it will haunt you. So just be busy.

I honestly don't have that many friends I can see every day, but I'm excited for school to start on Monday. And I just got rejected a job just minutes ago. Oh man tough times but I just have to stay strong.
 
I honestly don't have that many friends I can see every day, but I'm excited for school to start on Monday. And I just got rejected a job just minutes ago. Oh man tough times but I just have to stay strong.

I don't have that many friends too, but this and next month i'm working hard. This makes me busy. Past two days i was like staying home and ended up playing games first day. But yesterday it really got me, there was no way i'd stay home for another minute so i just got out, walked all alone and called a friend. In the end i got home at 12AM, drunk as hell and even played a few games in PAYDAY being funny :D I mean, just do something spontaneously.

Plus tomorrow is the beginning of school, where you can make new friends and even meet a few girls just to take your ex off your mind.

BTW i met a few girls, first even wanted to go for a coffee but something changed and she's not even writing in a facebook, and the second has a bf and was okay with chatting in web, but again, radio silence lol. Am i unlucky? :D
 
Yeah that's what I did yesterday. I also just do stuff. Yesterday I went to meet a friends for an hour, but afterward nobody had time, so I walked and helped some tourists find their place. While the days went I were also drinking and that helped on my mood, but I went on to strength train.

Right now I'm writing gaming news (it's my job) and doing some phone calls I need to make. So in one hour I'm also going to an appointment and after that I go strength train again. Then tomorrow I'll go out taking pictures with my father and on Thursday I have an appointment with my doctor, just to be sure I haven't gotten any aids or diseases. Just a check up.

I can feel that the thoughts of her keep bombing my head but I am constantly trying to push them away and so far I'm succeeding and I haven't cried (mostly because I cried a lot at our last break up anyway).

I'm getting things done and have some homework too.

I'm excited for Monday, cause that's when my school starts again. I'm actually also gonna meet a new girl either before or after having been with my friends.

It's still hard though but oh well, I'll survive.
 
Unfortunately, it is lost on me. I don't understand.

Edit: Ok, I was able to read it all.

When to give up? That's a question that none of us can answer. If you see a chance of getting something that you want, it is up to you to decide whether to pursue it or not because no matter how much we write, there always will be little details that we miss and only you know them.

Man, I can't tell you to give up. It would be complete hypocrisy from my part. What I've gone through with this girl has teached me a lot, and the reason I still keep at it is because I really enjoy talking to her, as she does talking to me.

The one thing I notice you haven't done, and it is a good thing, is that you have not taken her for granted. You have fought for her, even with a lot of adversity. So, I can only end this with one question:

Is she worth all the effort you are putting into this?

That, my friend, is something only you can answer.
Yeah, as quick as we can be to post bailout.gifs at the first sign of trouble in here, doing it yourself and/or give up is not the easiest thing to do apparently. Has it been worth all this? I used to say yes, I've only said no when enough is enough and then I've only felt worse over losing her. I don't know anymore. I tend to take these things very personally as insults, so this 3+ day incommunicado thing feels very disrespectful, but I'm not so sure that is the correct way of responding to it. Like you said, I haven't been taking her for granted, I've been scared to death of losing her, which has made me trip over my own words and actions and thus made absolutely sure I would lose her. In one way it's not really up to me anymore whether this is worth it since she has already decided once that I've hurt her enough. So it's up to her if she wants to try some more. The only other variable is whether or not I'm interested as well anymore if she comes around.

Minamu, love should be mutual. The cold hard truth is, you care way more about her than she does about you. She doesn't even sound like a realiable, stable friend. How will you ever be in a healthy relationship together? Like, ever? What kind of mental gymnastics do you need to perform in your mind to see yourselves together? Because from an outside perspective, shit sounds like it's broken. Your interactions sound toxic, it's a not balanced or helping either of you grow.

You're in an emotional maze thanks to this strong attachment. Most of us have been there. It can be almost impossible to think logically or rationally. However, do your best try and differentiate between lust (which is what this is) and if real love should make you feel this frustrated and alone.
Yeah I kinda hate myself for still loving her, for not listening to her better and for having been so damn egotistical so she's been hurt. Creating a healthy relationship after all this is probably impossible, yeah. There's always the possibility that I'm just attached simply because she's the first adult girl to show so much affection for me. I barely know what a healthy relationship looks like, at least not from personal experience. I appreciate the hard questions, but I can't really answer them which might be telling :) I agree that love shouldn't feel like this or be this complicated though. I recognize that there are a million things that make this thing sound terrible and doomed, and it probably is, I'm not gonna deny that. Like I said, I have left her twice and like she has pointed out several times, she has not ever felt a need to that and she's been really hurt over that fact, it's been simmering down below between ever since. But as many negative points as there may be, we both agree that we've been a good fit when things have been great, it has been worth it for her too and we both have acknowledged that we have plenty of positive memories to cherish, her words. The difference is that I want to make more memories with her specifically and that's what I've been trying to convince her of helping me with. She showed me that life can be sweet and I have never felt more comfortable around a woman before and she provides an intriguing challenge that makes me want to propel forward and grow. I've enjoyed the emotional (shit)storms we've had, I do believe I've learned a lot from them and I appreciate her part in my life all the more because of everything we've done together. Even in our hardships, she has shown me what a lovely girl she truly is and my affection for her has never really wavered even in our darkest moments. But yes, I am deeply attached and she's not, and it's hurting me like hell. Perhaps there is too much shit going on to make this work. I honestly can't tell when this attachment happened or what she did.

Some of you folks needs to learn how to let go emotionally. She doesn't love you that way man and never will. Lots of girls LOVE attention. If they've decided you're cool and find out you're in love with them many girls will milk that for all its worth emotionally. So there ya go.
That comes with experience, something I lack, I suppose. Who doesn't love attention, we used to have a running gag of texting something along the lines of literally "please give me attention!" or "Do you want some attention?" to which we'd say an overly polite "Yes Please!". Usually I'd jump to agree with you that that is what this is, but it's not like she's known this for that long. It's only been a few weeks. I haven't really been listening to her like I said, but she has said several times that she is very sorry for not being able to reciprocate my feelings for her, but that was primarily during her own personal drama period I mentioned. We met when she was emotionally draines, so bad timing again.

I'll echo what others have said. And what you have said as well. Try to move on. Of course you feel like she is the one you want to spend your life with, the past ten months she has been on your mind all the time, so it's hard to think of your life without her.

But in those ten months nothing good has come of it. You're not together with her in a stable relationship. All the issues have not been resolved. They're still there, and she's waiting for three days to respond to one of your messages. If everything was ok you wouldn't be in this waiting insecure position. And things probably arent gonna be ok, not after the 22 of august. And if things are not gonna be ok then, what is the new deadline? Ten days later? If it hasn't worked out by then, what's the new date?

How often have you yourself said that it's no good to put too much stock in one girl, and being blind to all others? This is exactly what you're doing. Even I can see a lot of different girls have different things to offer, and I think I'm not even meeting half the women you do. You're missing out on something/someone who is actually good for you. With no drama. Who is not controlling your life in a bad way.

I know it is hard as hell to break off contact with her. Especially since she can contact you whenever she wants, whenever she has the need for emotional support (which you've given enough of in the past). And once she does this you'll end up doing all sorts of mental gymnastics, and even leaving necklaces for her to pick up?

You're a safe haven she can go to whenever she feels like it (this isn't meant as a negative towards her, it's just the way it is). But do you really want to be waiting on her, hoping that she'll start seeing you in a different way?

Break off all contact, and don't talk to her again until you're completely sure you're a hundred percent over her.
You're right, the odds of everything being solved by such a specific date are slim to none. Her lack of response is quite telling, she does that when she's angry at me or doesn't know what to say/do or simply isn't interested. It's not like I wasn't expecting this exact behaviour. You have a point about the dates, my "plan" was for that to be it, I've fought long and hard enough by now since I haven't seen the results I wanted, although it can be said that it's just going slow. Will it be the last date in practice though? Who knows, I'd like it to be but we'll see if I'm strong enough to stick to it. As of right now though, I have zero plans of contacting her during my holiday, I'm actually gonna go stay with my former ex and her family soon, and if I find my necklace (yeah it's corny as hell), I won't send her anymore texts again.

I know I haven't been following my own rules and advice, believe me :lol I never have with this girl and I kinda figured that since I screwed that up right from the get go, I might as well go all the way and do it right with the next one instead (which I have with everyone I've met since her). My best friend told me that I should've sticked to my principles at the very first breakup or when she begged me to chase her more, but I weighed my options of either doing what I've been told or have her in my life. What I chose is obvious and may or may not be exactly why I'm in this stupid mess.

I both do and don't want to be waiting for her. In practice I both have and haven't to be honest. I've been out and met new girls just as always during all this and since we've never been officially together, I figured I could be whatever the hell I want you know? And while I have met many potential girlfriends, I've been too sad or uninterested to give them a fair chance. I'm gonna take your advice though. No more contact on my part unless she contacts me with something i'm actually interested in which is unlikely. I hope it works because I've done this several times before and it hasn't worked at all. I didn't need to respond to her message on facebook a month+ back, I just had to see her face and her simple "are you okay?" to lose my appetite and come crashing down, even after having decided that she's gone forever.

Though, as I'm writing this, I might be coming to an answer to something else. I've said several times in here that I feel held back by something. Clearly, it could very well be her. While I've kissed countless girls these 10 months (I'm not proud of it), I've never taken it further, I have subconsciously stopped myself from taking the final steps towards hooking up, essentially friendzoning everybody. And every time I've left her, my social skills and funny anecdote stories in here have skyrocketed. I know for a fact that I've felt safe due to her being in my life, I haven't needed other's companionship. It could very well explain why I haven't reported anything but negative stories in a while.

You're being used Minamu, listen to this. Not as bad as Servbot, but you're still being used.
Yeah I see that now. I don't think she's doing it on purpose, she's not a bad person, but yeah, it's certainly one-sided regarding who gets something positive out of all this.
 
Cyanide Strike said:
Not so much a dating question, as such, more of a question about how to get a date. New girl started at work. Absolutely gorgeous. Sat next to her the last few days, been talking and getting to know her. Worked a way around of finding out if she's single or not. Even managed to worm an invite round hers for dinner. But how would I go about asking her out? I'm shit at stuff like this and kinda awkward too.
Anyone?

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@Cyanide

Best thing to do is keep it simple. Just say something along the lines of: "You seem very fun. I'm going to [_____] this Sunday, join me."

@Minamu

I echo what others here have said. It seems like your time with that girl was an emotional roller-coaster. The main reason why I would end it is that it seems to have gotten way too complicated for a relationship. Reading the timeline of events literally made it seem like you guys went through some kind of maze while together.
 
So what does your boyfriend work with is a pretty easy one, for future reference :) Or something similar depending on context. Are you going to dinner with her? Isn't that a date already?
She mentioned she lives down the road from work, I asked her if she lives with her boyfriend, she confirmed she doesn't have one. Simple, but effective. And I am, but I think it's more of a casual dinner rather than a date, as I was (jokingly) poking fun at her cooking and she wants to prove me wrong. How do I take it from a friendly 'challenge accepted' scenario to a date?
 
She mentioned she lives down the road from work, I asked her if she lives with her boyfriend, she confirmed she doesn't have one. Simple, but effective. And I am, but I think it's more of a casual dinner rather than a date, as I was (jokingly) poking fun at her cooking and she wants to prove me wrong. How do I take it from a friendly 'challenge accepted' scenario to a date?

I'd say go round there and be yourself and have a good time and by the end of it compliment how lovely it was (if you really like her after having some time alone eating and getting to know each other more) and say you would love more of this and really like her company and think she's awesome and joke "not only you're pretty damn hot but you're also good at cooking!" in style. Pretty simple and perfect test water to know where she is feeling from that point.
 
She mentioned she lives down the road from work, I asked her if she lives with her boyfriend, she confirmed she doesn't have one. Simple, but effective. And I am, but I think it's more of a casual dinner rather than a date, as I was (jokingly) poking fun at her cooking and she wants to prove me wrong. How do I take it from a friendly 'challenge accepted' scenario to a date?

Her proving you wrong is the date. Mission accomplished.

If only all women-related problems solved themselves like this :(
 
I'd say go round there and be yourself and have a good time and by the end of it compliment how lovely it was (if you really like her after having some time alone eating and getting to know each other more) and say you would love more of this and really like her company and think she's awesome and joke "not only you're pretty damn hot but you're also good at cooking!" in style. Pretty simple and perfect test water to know where she is feeling from that point.
It sounds simple enough but I know I'll screw up.

Her proving you wrong is the date. Mission accomplished.
But do I go in treating it like its a date or just play it really cool?
 
Today I am really sure, that I made the right decision in kicking my ex out of the house. I'm also feeling somewhat happy actually. There's just a bunch of things to look forward to. I can dress how I want, I won't be criticised every day, I can have important moments with my parents, I can date other girls like on Saturday hopefully, and I can really focus on reaching my goals, I am actually excited.

Today I also got a new haircut and I went strength training second day in a row.

Anyway, some advice if I go on the date later in the week?

It should not be like the last one, where I updated you guys live from my date lol.
 
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