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[metareferential]

Microsoft won't ever get Europe.

They just don't understand the market they're in.

Their store is plain awful in most countries. And the region locking only helped aggravating the situation.

And mainland Europe really doesn't care about exclusives (Gran Turismo aside): they care about 3rd party big names (I'm talking general audience here).

So they buy where it's cheaper. That's the only thing that kept the 360 afloat in EU: earlier availability and price.

Now those are gone.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

They are running out of 180s to pull.

The price is the last big one. But what they can't change right now is the damaged brand (this can be rebuilt over a year or two) and the poor launch titles.

 

[SteveO1683]

I'm surprised we don't have more gamestop managers chiming in about how many units their stores are getting. My friend is an assistant manager for a store in NC and after E3 he said they were getting like 13 Ones and about 20 PS4s. It seems Sony has been slowly raising that number because I pinged him again and they are now up to 60 PS4s but the One numbers still remain at 13.

 

[SilentFlyer]

May be you should mention Middle East under the region too? I can't fill form as I'm living in Middle East.

Although Middle East has been sonyland for quite a long time. And pre-orders for PS4 has already started in UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain and Qatar. Saudi Arabia is working on it, as told by Playstation Saudi Arabia twitter representative.

 

[Aiii]

May be you should mention Middle East under the region too? I can't fill form as I'm living in Middle East.

Although Middle East has been sonyland for quite a long time. And pre-orders for PS4 has already started in UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain and Qatar. Saudi Arabia is working on it, as told by Playstation Saudi Arabia twitter representative.

I didn't add specific regions within continents for the sole reason of not having too much of them, just pick your continent and that's good enough. Adding each major country/region within the different continents would lead to many places with low numbers of votes anyways.

 

[Hoo-doo]

I think the difference will be even larger in many of the other mainland european countries.
The Netherlands is not at all as Playstation-minded as our southern friends, for example.

The UK and US though, that's where stuff gets really interesting this generation.

 

[vcc]

I'm surprised we don't have more gamestop managers chiming in about how many units their stores are getting. My friend is an assistant manager for a store in NC and after E3 he said they were getting like 13 Ones and about 20 PS4s. It seems Sony has been slowly raising that number because I pinged him again and they are now up to 60 PS4s but the One numbers still remain at 13.

The kid behind the counter at my EB said it was 190 PS4s to 46 XB1s. That seems like an large amount of units but he did specify their store had the 2nd most PS4's pre-ordered across Canada. I have my pre-order there and I'm not looking forward to rubbing elbows with 189 other people on launch night.

 

[RoadHazard]

The results are really skewed in PS4's favour.

Spoiler

Sonygaf confirmed!

I actually wonder what the ratio of American to non-American members is here. It's a US-based site, but with a very international userbase. As we all know MS are really only dominant in the US and UK, and the dominance in those countries may be getting smaller this coming gen. The rest of the world belongs to Sony, more or less.

EDIT: Yeah, Europe alone outnumbers NA in this poll at least, with the rest of the world making that difference even larger.

 

[FeiRR]

Microsoft's tier 2 country here so nationwide preorders for their console are at exactly 0 units in Poland. PS4 preorders out of stock where I checked. I expect Sony to raise their dominance ratio from 4-5:1 now to at least 10:1 in the next few years.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

I think the difference will be even larger in many of the other mainland european countries.
The Netherlands is not at all as Playstation-minded as our southern friends, for example.

The UK and US though, that's where stuff gets really interesting this generation.

Not at £429.99 for an Xbox One in the UK it won't.

That's a particularly hard sell here seeing as the PS4 is £349.99. So results could be as lop-sided as Europe

 

[Vizzeh]

Not at £429.99 for an Xbox One in the UK it won't.

That's a particularly hard sell here seeing as the PS4 is £349.99. So results could be as lop-sided as Europe

I agree, Im from the UK, my mates and I all had 360's, now most have bought a PS3 since the PS4/X1 Rumours and all have pre-ordered PS4's, this isnt just my friends but friends of friends and even other groups of friends iv talked too... I know nearly NO-ONE buying an X1 locally.

 

[Yawnier]

The kid behind the counter at my EB said it was 190 PS4s to 46 XB1s. That seems like an large amount of units but he did specify their store had the 2nd most PS4's pre-ordered across Canada. I have my pre-order there and I'm not looking forward to rubbing elbows with 189 other people on launch night.

Its going to be like Lord of the Flies except with 20 and 30 something year old gamers instead.

 

[Beerman462]

Not at £429.99 for an Xbox One in the UK it won't.

That's a particularly hard sell here seeing as the PS4 is £349.99. So results could be as lop-sided as Europe

I'll admit, I hope XB1 gets killed by PS4 early in the Gen. I want to see a desperate MS drop Kinect and release a super cheap XB1 in a couple years.
Or release all their exclusives for PC. I'd buy Win8 if I had to.

 

[SilentFlyer]

I didn't add specific regions within continents for the sole reason of not having too much of them, just pick your continent and that's good enough. Adding each major country/region within the different continents would lead to many places with low numbers of votes anyways.

Not saying to add specific countries from a region. But mentioning region itself would be great. Usually Middle East and Africa are mentioned together. So if you mentioned Middle East and Africa that would be good for those living in Middle East to chose from. But currently I have no region to chose from.

 

[StevePharma]

Dutch guy here and I placed pre-orders for both consoles at a Dutch retailer. I want everything because I'm a collector and want to play nearly everything that is out new on the shelves while it's 'hot'.

That said most of my Dutch friends who are Xbox-oriented switched to a PS4 preorder with XBO as a "TBA" as of now. I believe two people I know pre-ordered an XBO.

Biggest reason: price and the unified hate for the Kinect camera. Most of them don't give a fuck about MSoft's earlier online policies or what, it's the euros that matter.

Anecdotal I know but I feel Xbox/Playstation ratio is pretty even with the enthusiast gamers I speak to, so it surprised me to see so many get on a PS4 preorder. I expected more XBO but hey, things can still change.

 

[Thorgal]

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Judging at those graphs 3DS and PS3 are equally matched .

is there a percent based comparison available T o get exact percentages ?

I is algo great to see best of both worlds over here.

 

[DC1]

the joke is basically that i own 4 ps3s.

But I do own TREEE PS3Zzzz!
(Trading in one next week to contribute to PS4/games cost reduction initiative.)

 

[digoutyoursoul]

i will put the survey out on twitter and facebook. Surprised at the NA Xbox response so far

 

[McLovin]

They are running out of 180s to pull.

The price is the last big one. But what they can't change right now is the damaged brand (this can be rebuilt over a year or two) and the poor launch titles.

Oh I could think of a few more.
MS: "We've decided that xbox one was a bad name so we're renaming it to Xbox 5... because 5 is better then 4"
MS: "New price is 399.98 suck it $ony!!!"
MS: "Kinect now optional... actually you know what? Fuck it no more Kinect... YAAAAAAY"

 

[Thorgal]

i will put the survey out on twitter and facebook. Surprised at the NA Xbox response so far

Can you link a few or quote them Please ?

 

[Rogue_Ledr]

PS4 will easily dominate in Europe, Japan too.

However, if they can beat out MS in America too as signs seem to point too (likely not by this margin, but a significant one) then it will be a huge deal.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

But I do own TREEE PS3Zzzz!
(Trading in one next week to contribute to PS4/games cost reduction initiative.)

3 PS3s owned here as well (also, 2 360s). Probably going to sell one of my PS3s to a friend once the PS4 hits, but I'll keep 2 because my PS3 backlog will still be huge and my son will still play on the PS3 in his room.

Is Gamestop still doing the hardware double trade-in value thing? I bought one of my 360s for $80 on clearance at Target right before the 360s models came out, with double trade-in value, I could probably trade it in for more than I paid for it.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Can you link a few or quote them Please ?

Quote what mate?

 

[Thorgal]

Quote what mate?

The NA xbox responses.

 

[Shin]

Can't even see a tiny piece of the d-pad on the Xbone controller? Shit's not fair.

The images are a representation of the votes, if Xbox One had more votes you would see more of the controller and less of the DualShock 4.
Nothing unfair about that, I pre-ordered mine on Amazon UK and US (from the Netherlands).

Given that Sony corrected a lot of their mistakes and mentality, behavior change plus everything the system has to offer over it's competitor this sounds about right.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

The NA xbox responses.

Its in the OP

 

[Ricky_R]

The images are a representation of the votes, if Xbox One had more votes you would see more of the controller and less of the DualShock 4.
Nothing unfair about that, I pre-ordered mine on Amazon UK and US (from the Netherlands).

Given that Sony corrected a lot of their mistakes and mentality, behavior change plus everything the system has to offer over it's competitor this sounds about right.

It was more of a joke post.

 

[Xater]

Remember guys, they are neck in neck...

 

[fantomena]

So what does this mean? More people are pre-ordering the Xbone than the PS4 or opposite?

 

[Thorgal]

Its in the OP

sorry . i thought you meant by comments people actually posting comments about their opinion.

 

[chogidogs]

As much as I want parity between consoles to encourage competition. I kinda want the PS4 to take a lead just so we don't get watered down versions of 3rd party games on better hardware. Philippines is PS3 country so no doubt in my mind that it leads here as well.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

As much as I want parity between consoles to encourage competition. I kinda want the PS4 to take a lead just so we don't get watered down versions of 3rd party games on better hardware. Philippines is PS3 country so no doubt in my mind that it leads here as well.

Oh wow nice place to live.

But does the Philippines not have a heavily pirate market?

 

[chogidogs]

Oh wow nice place to live.

But does the Philippines not have a heavily pirate market?

Nah, you probably could say that for the PS2 era and earlier, but I'd like to think that people like me who were poor students just wanting to play games during that time earn enough now to justify purchasing those games legally.

We even have local support from Sony Philippines now. EA also does promotions here selling games super cheap for major releases. We even have midnight launches for big games like Call of Duty. Things are looking up!

 

[Miles Quaritch]

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So what you're saying is that next gen pre-orders in the Netherlands are essentially following the same pattern as the PS3/3650 install base.

Interesting.

 

[Aiii]

After 568 responses:

North-America: (258 responses)
-PS4: 174 day one. 19 by end of 2013. 20 by end of 2014 and 45 won't buy.
-Xbone: 42 day one. 5 by end of 2013. 21 by end of 2014 and 190 won't buy.
Ratio by 2013: 4.1:1
Ratio by 2014: 3.1:1

Europe: (263 responses)
-PS4: 157 day one. 36 by end of 2013. 45 by end of 2014 and 25 won't buy.
-Xbone: 16 day one. 3 by end of 2013. 7 by end of 2014 and 237 won't buy.
Ratio by 2013: 10.1:1
Ratio by 2014: 9.2:1

Other continents: (47 responses)
-PS4: 28 day one. 6 by end of 2013. 11 by end of 2014 and 2 won't buy.
-Xbone: 1 day one. 1 by end of 2013. 1 by end of 2014 and 44 won't buy.

 

[Bluekaveli]

Did they say how many of these pre-orders were placed by Tiduz?

Roflmfao

 

[ypo]

So what you're saying is that next gen pre-orders in the Netherlands are essentially following the same pattern as the PS3/3650 install base.

Interesting.

No he's saying it's more than double the amount as indicated by that graph and the pre-order numbers.

 

[Killing_Joke]

I wish we could see hard numbers before X180. Must have been disastrous.

 

[mintylurb]

Did they say how many of these pre-orders were placed by Tiduz?

Tiduz can probably barely afford one. Unless he asks his parents to buy multiple units.

 

[Izayoi]

So what does this mean? More people are pre-ordering the Xbone than the PS4 or opposite?

Definitely the opposite. Look at the numbers above.

 

[Crawl]

I wish we could see hard numbers before X180. Must have been disastrous.

They had to be, I think thats the only reason they turned around so fast after E3.

 

[Hoo-doo]

So what you're saying is that next gen pre-orders in the Netherlands are essentially following the same pattern as the PS3/3650 install base.

Interesting.

No. Next gen pre-orders are apparently 4:1 in favor of the PS4, that's not even remotely like the situation depicted in the graph which is more like 2:1 or even less.

 

[TheRealTalker]

I hope people submit their real intentions if they have it pre-ordered or not I really want to see a some-what real interpretation instead of some fanboy-drivel

 

[SMT]

If I recall correctly, the Dutch were the first ones to the dump game isos onto the PS3 hard drive.
They take their PS very seriously.

 

[beast786]

So what you're saying is that next gen pre-orders in the Netherlands are essentially following the same pattern as the PS3/3650 install base.

Interesting.

Yes, your interpretation of the graph is definitely very interesting.

 

[not_so_special]

here is spain i have talked to some guys on retail

on fnac for every 20 ps4 they have 4 xboxones on el corte ingles the things are worse,its 34 vs 3

and thats after the 180 thing

 

[GarthVaderUK]

Looks like MS's gonna get hungry next gen.

 

[Jack Grensleaves]

here is spain i have talked to some guys on retail

on fnac for every 20 ps4 they have 4 xboxones on el corte ingles the things are worse,its 34 vs 3

and thats after the 180 thing

Spain belongs to DIOS SONY

 

[Racer1977]

With the gaming press, podcasts etc. so US dominated, the European market is massively under represented and under appreciated, despite it being the biggest market.

I've often listened to a podcast debate about this or that, and when it comes to Europe, about the most insightful thing you hear is, "they" like Gran Turismo and FIFA.

Then it's back to the US focus once again, despite them having an international audience.

 

[Rogue_Ledr]

After 568 responses:

North-America: (258 responses)
-PS4: 174 day one. 19 by end of 2013. 20 by end of 2014 and 45 won't buy.
-Xbone: 42 day one. 5 by end of 2013. 21 by end of 2014 and 190 won't buy.
Ratio by 2013: 4.1:1
Ratio by 2014: 3.1:1

Europe: (263 responses)
-PS4: 157 day one. 36 by end of 2013. 45 by end of 2014 and 25 won't buy.
-Xbone: 16 day one. 3 by end of 2013. 7 by end of 2014 and 237 won't buy.
Ratio by 2013: 10.1:1
Ratio by 2014: 9.2:1

Other continents: (47 responses)
-PS4: 28 day one. 6 by end of 2013. 11 by end of 2014 and 2 won't buy.
-Xbone: 1 day one. 1 by end of 2013. 1 by end of 2014 and 44 won't buy.

I still feel those numbers are way off.

The PS4's numbers will be really good, but DEFINITELY NOT that good. Not even close.