TrumanBurbank
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Breaking Bad - Season 5, Part 2 - The Final Eight Episodes - Sundays on AMC
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triplestation
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I'm confused pls explain
Intheflorsh
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triplestation
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No I meant how would Todd become next Heisenberg
BuddyJoeHooker
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Going to rewatch the first half of Season 5 (Thank you Netflix) to get ready for the premiere. I guess I'll go ahead and do a prediction on how it all ends:
There is no happy ending for anybody Walt dies and Jesse goes to jail for life. The last shot of the series will be of Walt surrounded by cops pointing a gun very much like in the first episode when the camera pans out from the barrel.
Intheflorsh
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Todd is, among other things, a pretty ambitious guy. From a writing perspective, it would make sense if Walt, thinking he was training a subordinate like Jesse, was instead teaching Todd how to become a drug- lord like him.
Nameless
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The sheer shock of Hank knowing would quickly disarm her, I think. The gambling story, the car wash, the pool stunt...Like Walt's, Skyler's lies become glaring in hindsight. The only option is to come clean. There's no way she goes down with this ship willingly. Any residual loyalty she feels towards Walt fades at the thought of her kids going forward in life with both parents in prison.
Hank getting Skyler on his side paramount. She's a honeypot of information, close to Walt, and shielding her from any blowback considerably lessens the collateral damage to the family. The White-Schrader clan is tight; family will certainly factor somewhere into Hank's gameplan.
I definitely think you're right, she will take this door if opened for her.
And I think that may be what leads Walt to kill Skylar. I think he will find out she is working with Hank, that she has been feeding information to him about Walt, she is going to say something that pretty much cuts off his balls - the worst sin to Walt - and Walt is going to snap and kill her.
Mr. Saturn
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Sadly enough what you say here not only seems plausible, I wouldn't be surprised if people still defended Walt or even claimed that Skyler deserved it. It'd be interesting to see the reaction to such an event.
If Skyler dies there will unquestionably be a huge chorus of people who cheer and say she deserved it. There's people who think her smoking a cigarette while pregnant is more contemptible than anything Walt's done.
Nameless
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Yup. Nothing shuts up a narc wife like a little ricin over breakfast.
Will if Walt snaps then he'll kill her instantaneously like with Mike.
Black Mamba
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I just can't see Walt intentionally killing Skyler.
He's gone to such great lengths to be with her, provide for her, do everything. I mean, if there's one constant about Walt it is his utter devotion to his family (even if misguided), specifically Skyler and the kids. I just can't see him doing it intentionally.
Now, an accidental ricin poisoning I can see. But Walt just outright killing her seems like something the character wouldn't do and would leave me disappointed. Even if she decided to go to the police I don't see him killing her. It just doesn't jive with his character.
He's gone to such great lengths to be with her, provide for her, do everything. I mean, if there's one constant about Walt it is his utter devotion to his family (even if misguided), specifically Skyler and the kids. I just can't see him doing it intentionally.
Now, an accidental ricin poisoning I can see. But Walt just outright killing her seems like something the character wouldn't do and would leave me disappointed. Even if she decided to go to the police I don't see him killing her. It just doesn't jive with his character.
This, please.
Intheflorsh
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I don't think it would be that easy for Walt. Presumably he loved Skyler at some point in his life but he always hated Mike.
Nameless
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I can see him killing her with his bare hands in a fit of rage or doing it more methodically while attempting to keep his empire from collapsing on top of him.
Face it Tiger..
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I want a meth infused avy.
I want a meth infused avy.
Walt has no devotion to his family. None. He has constantly, over and over, put his family in continued danger because of the things he has done. Even when consistently given outs to this life, he chose again and again the more dangerous road. Multiple times his family has been threatened. Multiple times bad things have come close to happening to one or another of them. Skylar is now a money laundering emotionally abused woman who is so trapped in her situation that she would rather kill herself than go on much longer like this, as we have seen. Holly, the little infant, can now officially say she has been threatened of murder by a drug kingpin. Walt Jr. has been purchased a sports car with his Dad's drug money. Dad forced Walt Jr. to drink alcohol over and over to prove himself that he is a man with testicles as big as Walt's now.
Walt doesn't care about his family. He cares about himself. His family is the false justification he gives himself so he can pretend he's not a narcissistic lunatic with delusions of grandeur.
Black Mamba
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Why we he kill her when he allowed her to rat him out. Yeah, he didn't think she'd do it, but there's was always a chance.
I will be very, very disappointed if Skyler dies directly by Walt's hands. I just don't see how that fits in with his character. Even in a fit of rage it doesn't make sense.
I will be very, very disappointed if Skyler dies directly by Walt's hands. I just don't see how that fits in with his character. Even in a fit of rage it doesn't make sense.
Yeah everyone knows Huell is the rightful heir to Walt's throne.
Walt didn't 'allow' Skyler to rat him out. Walt genuinely think he scares her enough that she wouldn't do such a thing. That's just how his ego is now. If he found out Skyler ratted on him, he would freak. I don't know for a fact it would lead to murder, but it would be perfectly in-character.
Any pretense he may have had of doing all this shit ~for his family~ went out the window long ago.
Black Mamba
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I don't think I conveyed very well what I meant.
You're right here but what you ignore is that Walt actually believes he's doing what's right for his family. He's completely dumbfounded by Skyler's refusal.
But Walt's love and devotion to Skyler is unquestioned. When he thought he was going to die, he called Skyler to tell her he loved her. When he thought was going to kill him, he ran to save his family. He refused to let Skyler divorce him until he wised up and realized the only way to continue being part of her life was to sign the papers. He goes to great lengths to try to make Skyler love him again.
yes, Walt has been selfish and hasn't acted in his family's best interests from an objective point of view. But in Walt's view, he's done everything best for his family. It's misguided. But there is no doubt he loves Skyler unconditionally.
It's one constant theme throughout the show. Walt loves Skyler unconditionally. That doesn't mean he'll do everything she wants but it means he loves her and wants to protect her. I can't see him directly killing her.
Thinking back to when she called the cops, remember? She could have done it then and he knows it.
triplestation
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That is if each round is a nuke
Dion Blaster
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I disagree, that is perfectly in line with the trajectory of Walter. He keeps getting worse and it's clear he hasn't really cared about his family for quite some time. Or at least not Skyler.
And he knew damn well she wouldn't rat him to the cops in that scene. He didn't look remotely stressed.
Black Mamba
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It was actually something I picked up on the re-watch. he is constantly obsessed with skyler loving him and him being with her.
Remember when he bought the pizza that he threw on the roof?
If he didn't care about her, he'd have given her up already, imo. For whatever reason you want to come up with, he has to be with Skyler. Killing her makes no sense.
He was pretty sure about it but he had to know there was at least a chance. Nobody can be certain, TV magic aside.
Nameless
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The character doesn't take kindly to perceived betrayals. He threw a coniption when Jesse cooked Blue behind his back. He flipped out on Beneke for getting fucked by Skyler. Shot Mike for not giving up the names. And he forgave Skyler twice already, her working with the DEA to bring him down would be the last unforgivable straw.
triplestation
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Hank will let it slide
Huell will then become upset (reasonably) and go after Walt because he believes he deserves more power
Walt will devise a plan to stop huell
Walt traps him in his lab and he's too huge to kill so the only option is radiation poisoning he microwaves huell
This doesn't stop huell it actually makes him stronger
Walt is terrified so he buys an m60 and moves to Japan while the radiation makes huell literally grow bigger and stronger every second
Huell heads for japan
Godzilla 2014
Huell will then become upset (reasonably) and go after Walt because he believes he deserves more power
Walt will devise a plan to stop huell
Walt traps him in his lab and he's too huge to kill so the only option is radiation poisoning he microwaves huell
This doesn't stop huell it actually makes him stronger
Walt is terrified so he buys an m60 and moves to Japan while the radiation makes huell literally grow bigger and stronger every second
Huell heads for japan
Godzilla 2014
Nameless
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I'll be disappointed if Huell's heavy breathing isn't last thing we hear as the series fades to black .
Black Mamba
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And did he ever kill Jesse or try? Remember why he killed Jane? Because her father told him you can't give up on family! Family is all Walt truly cares about besides his empire.
He flipped out on Ted, not Skyler. This undermines that evidence.
He never liked Mike, how does this compare at all?
I'm going to return to Jane's father. That quote is integral to Walt's character. That he's never tried to kill Jesse despite all that's happened and has always come back to help him is a great explanation of his devotion to family (Jesse, in his eyes, is family). It's how he is. He demands a lot from them and when they don't deliver, he still returns to help.
Walt killing Skyler completely contradicts this. It contradicts 5.1 seasons of his character IMO. I'm fine with Skyler dying, but I have a hard time finding it believable through Walt's hands. I think something else killing Skyler would put Walt into "no fucks left" mode, which is more plausible.
Walt doesn't care about Skyler. He cared about Skyler putting the terms on how she left him. He cares about Skyler threatening him. He cares about something he doesn't have control over.
As we saw even then, he was continually abusing her emotionally. That moment when he was in the kitchen of her house after she threw him out and he refused to leave and pretended he was the nicest man on Earth is fucking Joker-from-Batman levels of evil. He intentionally used Walt Jr.'s love of him as a wedge between him and his Skyler, forcing her to give in so as not to be the "bad guy." Not only that, it demonstrated Skyler had no control over this man. Powerless, is it any surprise she fucked Ted? This guy is a controlling, obsessive, self-absorbed monster at this point. He manipulated his entire family to get what he wants. He's abhorrent by any measure.
I really have no idea how anyone can describe what Walt has for Skyler 'love.' That's not what love looks like people! Get healthier relationships
Dion Blaster
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Yeah there is something there that wants to be with her. I am torn on this issue, as I think he does have some sort of "soul" left. I personally think he's at the point where if she can bring him down, his remaining love for her will be outweighed by his ego. Plus I think some of his desire for her is about power. My brain hurts
I think Walter likes the idea of family more than the family itself. Above all he relishes playing the role of the provider. When that role is questioned he simply can't deal with it. It doesn't matter what ends he needs to go to fulfill is masculine fantasy, the feeling of people depending on him for survival is a huge ego boost.
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Black Mamba
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Walt doesn't care about Skyler. He cared about Skyler putting the terms on how she left him. He cares about Skyler threatening him. He cares about something he doesn't have control over.
As we saw even then, he was continually abusing her emotionally. That moment when he was in the kitchen of her house after she threw him out and he refused to leave and pretended he was the nicest man on Earth is fucking Joker-from-Batman levels of evil. He intentionally used Walt Jr.'s love of him as a wedge between him and his Skyler, forcing her to give in so as not to be the "bad guy." Not only that, it demonstrated Skyler had no control over this man. Powerless, is it any surprise she fucked Ted? This guy is a controlling, obsessive, self-absorbed monster at this point. He manipulated his entire family to get what he wants. He's abhorrent by any measure.
I really have no idea how anyone can describe what Walt has for Skyler 'love.' That's not what love looks like people! Get healthier relationships
Have you ever seen people in a bad relationship? Men who beat their wives but the man does actually love his wife?
Yeah, the guy is a fucking piece of shit who beats a woman up and it's a very fucked up version of a relationship, but "love" isn't a really definable thing and women stay with these men (even when it's not fear) and men are so heartbroken when they leave etc that love comes in numerous forms, even when fucked up.
Walt's love for Skyler is very fucked up. But he is devoted to her in this sense.
Tell me, why does he try to hard for Skyler to love him? The pizza scene? The watch scene? Jane's dad's advice? Gus's advice? Why does he always run back to save them when he thinks they're in trouble or he called her almost in tears before he thought he was going to die?
Take your objectively out of this. We agree Walt has done awful things to Skyler and he's a POS for it. But ask yourself, in Walt's mind, does he love her regardless of what fucked up version of love it is? Does he want to be with her? Does he want her to love him?
The answer to all those questions are yes. And for that reason, it makes no logical sense for him to kill her. I mean, his life would have been so much easier had he already done it, but he hasn't.
Like I said, I recently re-watched the series and one of the biggest and most obvious themes of the show was Walt's complete devotion to Skyler, even if it's a fucked up form. He has to be with her otherwise he's a wreck. Maybe "devotion" isn't the proper word because he doesn't just do what he says but he's devoted to being with her.
edit: he even supposedly gives it up cooking meth to end season 5.1 for her after the storage scene in the end.
Mr. Saturn
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Even if all of this is true, its still possible that Walt would kill Skyler, if he found out she was working with Hank to put him in prison, in a fit of rage.
It might not be logical, but people don't always behave logically when they're enraged.
But who knows maybe Skyler won't even die at all, we're all just going to have to wait and see.
Edit: Do you really believe that Nasty? I could have sworn one of the writers (Gilligan?) saying that one of the first things they had to figure out for this season is the payoff for the machine gun and that they found something good for it.
It'll be awesome though, to see who's predictions were right or wrong when the show ends.
Colonel Nasty
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Prediction: the M60 never gets used.
Black Mamba
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Sure, in a fit of rage anything is possible but even then I have a hard time with it. I really hope this isn't what would happen.
I think it would be much more interesting, in terms of Skyler's death, if Walt's actions indirectly led to it leaving him to blame but not actively doing it.
Also, Skyler working with Hank seems contradictory to her character. Especially after her 4 Corners stunt. I don't see that happening.
triplestation
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I can see Walt becoming batshit enough this season to snap and kill Skylar on impulse
He's been gradually moving closer and closer towards the "twisted" end of the spectrum
But if he does kill her she would have to betray him in the harshest possible way and at the same time he would have to be in an already heavy situation which doesn't really seem possible IMO
He's been gradually moving closer and closer towards the "twisted" end of the spectrum
But if he does kill her she would have to betray him in the harshest possible way and at the same time he would have to be in an already heavy situation which doesn't really seem possible IMO
That's not love. He can say it is love, but it is automatically not love when you're beating the shit out of a woman for it. You lose the right to call it love at that point. In order for that to be love the word love would need to be completely redefined, and he certainly is in no position to deserve such a right.
That's obsession. And it's completely selfish obsession - in these relationships, the emotion isn't 'love', it's 'control.' A man like that, in order to feel whole, must completely control himself and those around him. A woman disobeying such a thing is an affront to his very being.
Like this wife beater, Walt doesn't deserve the right to redefine love. He doesn't love Skyler any more than he loves Jesse.
To Walt, they are always the last remaining element he feels he can manipulate or control. When all else fails, that is his last resort to feel like a man. He's not running to them because oh god I finally realized how much I loved them, he's doing it because he has been backed into a corner and things are spiraling out of control and he feels the need to take an action he can control.
With Walt, everything is completely selfish.
He doesn't care, Black Mamba. Seriously. The woman all but said she hopes Walt dies from cancer and Walt basically said she is fucking trapped and there's nothing she can do about it. This is not love. This relationship bares no similarity to love. It's a one sided element that Walt only uses as it suits his selfish ends
There is nothing more in-character than Walt killing Skyler. If the situation arises, he won't hesitate to do it. Trust and believe.
Nameless
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This is a narrow take on Walt's character, ignoring seasons of events. A sociopathic lunatic could have avoided many-a- clusterfuck where Walt didn't because he stuck his neck out for his family/Jesse.
No question, his family's well being definitely transformed from the driving force behind his actions to a convenient way to rationalize his affinity for the criminal lifestyle. Still, saying he cares nothing for them isn't accurate in the least.
killertofu
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Season 2 is so great.
Watching Negro Y Azul right now. Even then Walt is an asshole. Jesse is compassionate. Hank was funnier.
Watching Negro Y Azul right now. Even then Walt is an asshole. Jesse is compassionate. Hank was funnier.
This is exactly how I feel. He still "loves his family" so to speak, but it's not healthy.
bodyofanamerican
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Watched 4 Days Out today. It amazes me how much more Walt sounds like a patronizing dad/teacher back then.
"How about some protein? Some greens, huh?"
I forgot how much of a square Walt was back then.
"How about some protein? Some greens, huh?"
I forgot how much of a square Walt was back then.
Black Mamba
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"love" is an ambiguous thing so to disregard the argument as something else doesn't make much sense. Plus, lots of women who get beaten up stay with their man out of love even when they don't fear leaving them. Love is hard to explain, man. There are fucked up versions of it.
This makes no sense because Skyler is the one person he's yet to be able to control. Nothing forced him to call Skyler that day out of love. Nothing forced him to try to get back with her. He wasn't backed down into a corner.
You haven't addressed those events.
And then the later watch scene where he tells her about Jesse getting him the watch after Jesse tried to kill him refutes your point here.
There is no doubt Walt is selfish. But you're misguided if you think Walt doesn't care about Skyler and desire her affection. I'll keep repeating it, Jane's dad's advice was a KEY moment for Walt. It's not just about Jesse but his whole family.
And I think you're off thinking Walt doesn't care about anything. It was pretty obvious he felt bad about Hank getting shot, for example.
you've now made me agree with Nameless in this thread. I feel dirty.
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