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Top-level COD competitions look like what we expect
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Acerac
Banned
Let me clarify this for you. These people claim that anyone can win CoD. There are millions of people playing CoD. Therefore, logically, it would be very unlikely for any of them to win, as any of millions could win these tournaments. You are claiming that if anyone can win, they should compete as they are likely to win. Do you see the difficulty I have with your logic yet?
This has been the only thing I've been trying to figure out. I don't care who you were phrasing what to. It doesn't matter if you are talking to one person or many. My confusion is with the thoughts as you process them not your difficulties in communication.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Please, I NEED to see that on video!
This is the kinda stuff that takes all the fun out of competitive gaming.
I don't know with of the following is worst...
- How sh!tty they are acting, with no sense of respect or honour.
- People seeing them as some kind of representatives for other gamers.
- The one reporting the story actually trying to justify the behaviour.
- Seeing the hobby we love repeatedly tarnished...from the 'inside.'
- People confusing 'this type' with real gaming enthusiasts.
I don't know with of the following is worst...
- How sh!tty they are acting, with no sense of respect or honour.
- People seeing them as some kind of representatives for other gamers.
- The one reporting the story actually trying to justify the behaviour.
- Seeing the hobby we love repeatedly tarnished...from the 'inside.'
- People confusing 'this type' with real gaming enthusiasts.
TatteredHat
Member
There's TI3, and then there's this.
Mace Griffin
Neo Member
These are my views on the subject of competing in COD.
The skill ceiling of aiming and movement in COD is extremely low. So that leaves strategy/decision making and teamwork. Strategy is influenced by the individual skill required to play the game, the complexity of the game and map design. COD has very little complexity and the map design is catered toward casual xbox live play rather than competition. So lets say the skills required are some strategy and teamwork with teamwork being the most important by a significant margin.
So for anyone who values individual skill and mental prowess in a game practicing for competitive COD would be like torture. A game where your individual skill doesn't matter and all that matters is the continual grind in a mind numbing game designed for casual play to perfect your teamwork so that its just slightly better than the other teams. Hours and hours of practice devoid of excitement, learning, improving skills, clutch individual plays or impossible feats of skill.
That is why people who like games such as Quake, Counter Strike, Starcraft, Dota etc have no desire to compete in COD, whatever the potential reward.
Didn't think Nike would sponsor an E-Sports team.
That is a lot of money though. I would say that's the reason for all the trash talk but it's a bit overboard.
Robert J. Sullivan
Member
Wow.
I only began to follow Street Fighter IV tournaments not long ago and it's like a completely different world. Is there the same amount of trash talking in fighting games tournament ? I watched a bit of EVO and it was nothing like this.
I only began to follow Street Fighter IV tournaments not long ago and it's like a completely different world. Is there the same amount of trash talking in fighting games tournament ? I watched a bit of EVO and it was nothing like this.
KaiserBecks
Member
I don't know what's more hilarious, those kids raging and screaming or a "championship" with controllers and auto aim. This is CoD in a nutshell though, great video.
I want to punch him in the face.
wonderdung
Member
Given that COD has SnD as a competitive game type, how does it differ from Counter Strike competitively in your opinion? Because it seems to me that the only differences would be buying weapons vs selecting loadouts. One has to suspect that the CTF and KotH modes in the mix in competitive COD make it even more complex than CS... (unless they mix those in, I don't know.)
Having watched a bit of competitive black ops 2 at MLG, it seems like there's a surprising amount of complexity and potential for individual clutch plays. How much have you watched? Also the fact that there are a handful of teams competing at a much higher level than the rest of the field, I suspect that their teamwork isn't just slightly better than others.
I mean, I suspect that your post is just full of uninformed speculation because you think a "casual" game can never be as interesting as whatever random games you like, but maybe it's not and you're actually on to something. But if so, it needs a little more explaining... because "it's simple and casual" doesn't seem to hold up.
koorigashi
Neo Member
Uhh... you don't practice for competitive CoD in pubs just like you don't practice in a gungame server for CS. You join a competitive team of people equal to your skill and play with them. Also yes, CoD isn't a game for individual skill, you don't play it like that, that's how you lose. It's about positioning, psychology, and map awareness. This is a good video to see more how it's played and what goes into competitive CoD.
Also on another note for other comments, aim assist =/= auto aim. All aim assist does is when you're moving over someone it lowers your sensitivity to help you track them. Also while strafing it magnetizes to them very slightly.
i honestly don't understand why people try to be as obnoxious as possible
it's like this guy in NYC I saw who was standing by the exit of a parking lot and wait to see if the car was from New York or New Jersey, if it was NJ, he'd start screaming at the driver saying how he's going to beat the shit out of them
it's also hilarious when you think that pro SC players can be disqualified for fucking mistypes (this is the dumbest shit ever)
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Disqualification
why is everyone so angry
why is there a guy with a suit that's like four sizes too big
why is everyone screaming when they're half a foot away from each other on headsets
how do you even talk strategy when you have your team screaming at the other team and calling them trash
kahboomkin
Member
This is just ridiculous.
I'll admit to getting a little loud when playing multiplayer games with friends, but it's usually just us celebrating a win or something. And even then we're in private chat so we don't bother everyone else...
I'll admit to getting a little loud when playing multiplayer games with friends, but it's usually just us celebrating a win or something. And even then we're in private chat so we don't bother everyone else...
Chuck Norris
Banned
Competitive sports have men acting this way in general.
KojiKnight
Member
Watching 1v1 SC2 matches is like watching an intense game of speed chess. It's enchanting and mostly quiet.
Watching a match of LoL is like watching a baseball game, people get really involved but for the most part the game ends without any blood drawn.
Watching CoD is like watching 10 year olds play hockey... They all know they are supposed to be playing a game, but they'd rather just shit talk and try to bloody each other's noses.
Competitive sports teams issue fines for unsportsman like behavior and can force players to sit out on games.
Hell, SOME esports teams/sponsers in other esports also hold their players accountable. See Idra in the SC2 scene... He was kicked off team EG for his behavior.
Watching a match of LoL is like watching a baseball game, people get really involved but for the most part the game ends without any blood drawn.
Watching CoD is like watching 10 year olds play hockey... They all know they are supposed to be playing a game, but they'd rather just shit talk and try to bloody each other's noses.
Competitive sports teams issue fines for unsportsman like behavior and can force players to sit out on games.
Hell, SOME esports teams/sponsers in other esports also hold their players accountable. See Idra in the SC2 scene... He was kicked off team EG for his behavior.
Fucking hell. What a shit show.
Such a contrast to TI3 we just saw, but then again not surprising by the COD fan base. Those are exactly the guys I expect when I think of people who would try to play COD professionally.
Phat Michael
Banned
Not really. You can see some semblance of it but this is so pitiful as its not like they are doing anything great - they are just talking shit non stop and yelling - that dude in the 2nd vid was such a dickhead - i wonder what he is like in real life.
Mace Griffin
Neo Member
I have watched some competitive COD. I'm not an absolute expert on CS, my FPS of choice is Quake Live but I will give you my views on the differences. The biggest difference between COD and Counter Strike is aim. Aiming in Counter Srike is almost an art, aiming in COD is almost "the game does it for you" (on console) and is still far easier on PC.
Counter Strike:
No aim assist / auto aim
Small hitboxes (effective size of target)
Recoil
Quick strafing
No sprint - speed depends on relative weight of weapon in hands
Movement and position i.e. standing or crouched, still or strafing affect accuracy.
Different weapons have meaningfully different characteristics
Recoil is of a consistent pattern so it is controllable if you learn the pattern, each gun has different patterns
Meaningful headshot bonus i.e. if perfectly accurate 1-2 bullets depending on weapon will usually kill
No aim down sights
Spraying is not effective
KB and mouse allows for extremely fast aiming/looking therefore making camping far less effective
Out shooting opponents is very possible in CS and unless someone is equal skill or close you will most likely kill them even if they get the first shot
COD:
Aim assist - lots of aim assist
Big hitboxes (effective size of target)
No meaningful recoil
Spraying is the only way to go
Aim down sights improves accuracy and slows movement - this results in high auto aim slow movement encounters which is the antithesis of skill
Shoot first kill first is common for anyone who is not a complete newbie
I don't think the gametypes are overly relevant if the base gameplay is not skilfull.
The maps in CS are designed for competition and are clean and uncluttered. The maps in COD are designed for casual play and are cluttered with all sorts of stuff which makes camping for cheap kills easier. The flow of the maps, choke points, alternative routes etc are designed with competition in mind in CS, not so in COD. COD is aimed at people who want a pick up and play rewarding game therefore it needs to be easy and provide the player with regular rewards (easy kills, killstreaks, exp progression etc). Its very hard to make a game like that into a competitive game.
Hey, we don't want those guys.
Pinko Marx
Banned
Its not Activision fault.Hope you're proud of yourself Activision
Surely i can't be the only one that prefers to remain silent at all times, mic or not, win or lose.
When im losing i don't look like a crybaby
When im winning it seems to piss the other players off even more than if i was talking smack as they dont get a rise out of me when they start the verbal/text pottymouthing.
When im losing i don't look like a crybaby
When im winning it seems to piss the other players off even more than if i was talking smack as they dont get a rise out of me when they start the verbal/text pottymouthing.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
That doesn't make it right.
"No, I'm TOTALLY not a superdouche in real life--I just do it to motivate my team! Really! I'm serious!"
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
metalshade
Member
The most inconsequential people make the most noise, because they don't understand that reasoning and thought are what makes mankind special.
The most effective people are silent, as they realise their actions are more important than their voices.
Some wisdom to ponder over.
Have a nice day!
The most effective people are silent, as they realise their actions are more important than their voices.
Some wisdom to ponder over.
Have a nice day!
I played CS in a clan and never experienced anything like this. usually everyone is silent and the only thing people talk about it tactics or reporting if you have spotted someone.
Same goes for Quake 3. Although that was mostly 1on1 and the people usually don't talk to each other at all.
solid mike
Member
Too funny. Made my day.
PoweredBySoy
Banned
Now this shit makes me embarrassed to be a gamer.
Meanwhile, i'm playing New Super Mario Bros U with my girlfriend and we laugh a lot when we "accidentally" kill the other after jumping on the head of our character over a gap or by throwing a shell.
I love shooters, but i stay away from multiplayer unless its with friends.
I love shooters, but i stay away from multiplayer unless its with friends.
Outside of the game, maybe. But being this obnoxious for a second would most likely end in that player getting ejected in most competitive sports these days, let alone yelling and trash talking for a straight six minutes.
I was never really the greatest COD player, but many of the tactics I've seen in this video don't blow me away the same way watching a competitive CS (or even Halo) tournament does.
I see them trying to control certain parts of the map, sure. But other than that I feel like most of the tactics used (jumping to score kills from the air, wall peeking, shooting through walls that allow for it) are something most players do on a regular basis in the matches I used to play back in COD4.
There's not a tonne of player verbs in COD to begin with, which is why I think it makes for a really boring competitive FPS. This means that I'm not calling the players in these videos garbage, if you get what I'm trying to say.
I see them trying to control certain parts of the map, sure. But other than that I feel like most of the tactics used (jumping to score kills from the air, wall peeking, shooting through walls that allow for it) are something most players do on a regular basis in the matches I used to play back in COD4.
There's not a tonne of player verbs in COD to begin with, which is why I think it makes for a really boring competitive FPS. This means that I'm not calling the players in these videos garbage, if you get what I'm trying to say.
It seems like every time I've ever played CoD, I mysteriously turn in a man of another race/ethnicity and a homosexual that has sex with people's mothers. It's a fascinating thing, really, since in my alternate life I'm an average heterosexual white man. No getting around the mom-sexing thing, but hey! That's life. 
MadSkillzBahamut
Member
This looks like every competitive thing ever in the United Kingdom.
BruiserBear
Banned
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People who said that competitive gaming is the worst must never have seen real sport competitive matches and its fan community.
I looked at the video with no sound (at work) and immediately noticed that the first player absolutely horrible. Delayed reaction times, no ADS around corners for firefights, Cold Blooded in competition (LOL), suboptimal attachments, and total environmental negligence.
This guy gets PAID to play this game? Jesus christ! The post-WaW generation of COD players really are horrible. I would expect their trash talk to be on the same level as their skill.
It's an absolute shame how this series devolved after WaW's undeservedly mediocre critical reception. I can't stand to look it in the eye anymore, even when my friends are on for the occasional play of a series that used to be a legitimate source of fun.
This guy gets PAID to play this game? Jesus christ! The post-WaW generation of COD players really are horrible. I would expect their trash talk to be on the same level as their skill.
It's an absolute shame how this series devolved after WaW's undeservedly mediocre critical reception. I can't stand to look it in the eye anymore, even when my friends are on for the occasional play of a series that used to be a legitimate source of fun.
Soul Destroyer
Banned
Yep don't expect anything else from CoD. Also why I don't play it.
I'll stick to BF. Also I hope there is a mute all function in next gen games for PS4.
I'll stick to BF. Also I hope there is a mute all function in next gen games for PS4.