Breaking Bad - Season 5, Part 2 - The Final Eight Episodes - Sundays on AMC
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There was something chilling as fuck about seeing "Heisenberg" spraypainted on the wall of the abandoned house.
Nameless
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The complete context of situations and character's circumstances of on the show. People have a tendency with Breaking Bad to rattle off events and judge them in a vacuum. You did this with the crash:
Walt put another's person's life in danger without their consent. Yes, by all accounts this is an immoral act. No shit. Saying this is as revelatory and poignant as saying the sky is blue; it literally accomplishes nothing. Why ignore Walt continually begging for Hank's life? Why ignore his repeated attempts at throwing Hank off the trail by non violently? Why ignore the ramifications of reaching the laundry which were markedly more severe than a low speed car crash? Etc.. etc..
You'll no doubt read this and argue against some "you're propping Walt up as a shining beacon of morality" straw man, but that couldn't be further from the case--in fact I've seen NO ONE make this argument.
Walter White has done horrible & immoral things for horrible & immoral reasons. He's done horrible & immoral things for noble reasons. And, he's done horrible & immoral things because his only options were horrible & immoral. To argue merely for the former is disingenuous, and blatantly ignores much of the show. I've seen no critique of Walter White that successfully paints that picture without making several convenient omitions.
Nameless
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Posted by mistake originally but thanks.
I agree with him. None of Walt's actions are morally justified, unless your justification is based purely on survivalism. THAT I could buy. That Walt did certain things, out of a necessity of surviving vs. something likes Mike's death, which was not something he needed to do to survive. But for instance, with regards to Gale, he had to do it (if he didn't want to be killed or go to Jail by coming out to the DEA for help).
Technically, Walt always had a higher road option. I don't think most people will deny that or argue that. So I assume most are just talking about justification from a moral vs. survival perspective (and ignoring the higher road choices he could have made). Regardless, Walt is not a good man. Most of his actions can't really be justified - because those higher road options did exist (even if it would have been counter-intuitive to a drama existing).
No amount of context can excuse Walt's actions though. At best you can argue he did certain things to get by. That some of his actions were driven by his need to survive (and wasn't his first choice to do so, but he dealt with the situation with what was given to him). Doesn't make it excusable or likable. Especially when you consider a lot of the situations he was in, was his own decision or fault.
I only find some sympathy, with regards to Jesse. Because a lot of things that Walt has had to do, was a result of him wanting to protect Jesse, or undo something he had done. So while you could say that makes you more sympathetic to things Walt has done, it still doesn't excuse the fact that he had other options, and chose not to do them.
Extra Sauce
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This thread is going to sit on top of my subscriptions list for the next two months, isn't it?
Cornballer
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Let's knock off the personal attacks, folks. Thank you.
There are 7 more.
It's almost as bad as people being called misogynists for not like Skyler
Jack Remington
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You really do have to gloss over a lot of Walt's actions to get to the idea that he's some unambiguous evil figure. Walt saving Jesse's life on multiple occasions, risking his own life to save Jesse, preventing Gus from killing anyone in his family, etc. More than enough white paint to make a nice gray.
faceless007
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Oh God why did you do that
Throwing Hank off his trail? He went to dinner with Hank where Hank was about to close the case and just assume Heisenberg was Gale and a boisterous Walt actually put him back on his path rather than lose credit for his blue meth. Begging for Hank's life? All he's trying to do is keep what elements of his life he can under control, because if people around him start dying, people are going to start asking questions. And you're seriously trying to say Walt was being altruistic by pretending he thought a car crash was 'safer' for Hank than the laundrymat? Hahaha, I'm sorry. I can't. I just can't. What show are you watching, Sea Quest?
Seriously, Walt hasn't done a single selfless thing for SEASONS now. That part of him is dead.
The best argument I've ever seen from this perspective was the position that at ONE point he may have had a conscience. At ONE point. That faded many seasons ago and he hasn't had a single gray area for like nearly twenty episodes already. EVERY single thing Walt does is now completely absorbed by his obsessive egomaniacal disposition.
Jack Remington said:
Ahah, just caught this. How stupid do you fucking look? My posting pattern is practically defined by my energetic and extremely detailed defenses of my positions. Are you new here, or did you not realize that I actually bother contributing to conversations? You so far have done nothing but attempt to snipe while contributing less than jack and shit.
No one that I've seen the last few pages has tried to excuse Walt's actions, but instead tried to challenge Amirox's inaccurate representation of Walt's actions. Saying "Walt tried to kill himself and Hank" is simply not an accurate statement. "Walt attempted to prevent Hank from getting to the laundromat without regard to collateral damage" is more accurate. Note in those sentences I haven't said one thing about Walt's morality or my own view of Walt, yet voicing these same thoughts earlier I was met with over the top and insulting accusations from Amirox of trying to prop up and soften Walt's actions. I haven't posted enough in this thread for anyone to gleam my own views of the show's characters so it's clear he is just painting anyone who even vaguely disagrees with his wording into some crazy image of a Walt-loving idiot.
I despise Walt at this point, I'd like to see Hank mess with him, and I feel the most sympathy for Jesse. But none of that matters when I disagree with Amirox.
Fair enough. My apologies for jumping into an argument without fully understanding the context of what was being said. Was pretty ignorant of me.
The One and Done
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Just to be clear, I was being sarcastic. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Ami isn't trolling, he's just voicing an opinion many folks disagree with.
Robot Pants
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Can I join this club?
Extra Sauce
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I've got a much better idea. For the final episode, instead of wrapping everything up and resolving whatever crazy cliffhanger from the week before... air a fully-realized version of the pie-eating contest Star Trek episode.
Jack Remington
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At this point he's basically The Juggernaut. No amount of reason can stop his onslaught.
Cornballer
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haha you're like a fucking seven year old premadonna. "Oh my god he told me I propped and defended Walt, what an insult!" Drop the drama queen act, it doesn't suit you.
RoninChaos
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Jesus, are ALL the breaking bad threads like this? If all these threads are going to be are people getting shit on for not sharing the exact same opinion or others calling people who don't like Skyler then I'll unsub now.
And Amir0x, chill out, man. People feel how they feel. Are you going to scream on everybody that disagrees with you? I was going to reply to your initial inquiry to me but fuck, seeing how you reply to everyone I'm not gonna waste my time talking to someone who has no interest in hearing what people have to say.
Seriously, is this thread about talking about the show or just shitting on people who have different opinions?
And Amir0x, chill out, man. People feel how they feel. Are you going to scream on everybody that disagrees with you? I was going to reply to your initial inquiry to me but fuck, seeing how you reply to everyone I'm not gonna waste my time talking to someone who has no interest in hearing what people have to say.
Seriously, is this thread about talking about the show or just shitting on people who have different opinions?
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
So is it accepted opinion that Gus was drawing him in from the beginning just to get rid of him? I expected him to just cut him off.
Robot Pants
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Run.
unsub. If you can't bother contributing to the conversation, you're not valued anyway
Intheflorsh
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Does anyone remember back in season one where Walt was offered full cancer treatment and a cushy job? I remember how I confused I was when he turned down that money. Over the scope of 4 and a half seasons later it is now exceedingly obvious to me that the only reason why Walt cooked meth is because he wanted to. If he had just accepted that offer, NO ONE would have gotten hurt and Jesse wouldn't be the broken, miserable shadow of a man that all of you ironically complain about today. Walt never had to be in the business, not to treat his cancer and certainly not for his family.
But, seriously, whatever. It's a TV show.
But, seriously, whatever. It's a TV show.
The One and Done
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Dude, relax.
Robot Pants
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Way more complicated than that, dawg.
CheesecakeRecipe
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Yo can we get a restraining order on Ami or something here cause dayum son he's gone Hank on some asses.
RESTRAIN THIS, RESTRAIN THIS RIGHT HERE
Thinking back, I might have an answer to a question I asked earlier.
Shortly after Gus was blown up, his laptop was destroyed in the magnet caper. Hank knew that the laptop likely had footage from the superlab, since he found cameras there. Therefore, it would be likely that whoever killed Gus and destroyed the laptop worked in the superlab. Then he also knew that Heisenberg was Gus' cook and that Walt wanted to keep him from driving to the superlab.
Therefore, Walt killed Gus.
Shortly after Gus was blown up, his laptop was destroyed in the magnet caper. Hank knew that the laptop likely had footage from the superlab, since he found cameras there. Therefore, it would be likely that whoever killed Gus and destroyed the laptop worked in the superlab. Then he also knew that Heisenberg was Gus' cook and that Walt wanted to keep him from driving to the superlab.
Therefore, Walt killed Gus.
Oh yeah, that was just one of many opportunities he had to leave the life. He just doesn't care about who gets damaged if he can do what he wants.
And even further, Vince pretty much all but outright said that it was his ego that got in the way of Gray Matter as well. WALT is the reason he doesn't have those billions.
Tommy Maherg said:
I'm fine, but I'm not going to coddle people. Me and others have put extensive effort into detailing our positions, and to try to call them trolls is the actual only insult that has been passed in this topic. And these same people who say it? Haven't contributed a single fucking positive shred of information to this topic. Jack Remington literally has no value so far throughout this topic. And Ronin would rather bitch about posters than points made. And if he doesn't like the points, skip the posts. It's called restraint.
there's only room for one queen in town.
Intheflorsh
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How?
Chie Satonaka
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iShouldGoPro
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#teamWalterJr
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#teamBreakingBreakfast
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#teamBreakingBreakfast
Jack Remington
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It's thread-shitting, pure and simple. There have been like 4-5 people complaining about it in the last page and a half alone.
RoninChaos
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I'm not valued? Are you 12? How can anyone contribute when you're doing nothing but shitting on everyone you disagree with? Chill the fuck out.
It was a pride thing for sure. Had Walt been given the job because they NEEDED him, Walt would have accepted it. But the fact that his wife had to go beg them for a job behind his back (not saying Skyler did that, but that's how he saw it) - it was too much for him to accept. He would rather die, than pay for his treatment out of charity. Especially when you consider the relationship he has with Gretchen and that company.
I doubt they'll ever touch on it. But us not fully knowing what went down that caused Walt to leave the company, would have given us a much better insight into Walt as a person.
Because, like in so many situations in this show, Walt's giant cancerous tumor of an ego wouldn't let him take charity from people he believed screwed him over some decades ago.
i think its clear to me that following the events of season five episode nine blood money breaking bad that walter hartwell white has truly accepted our lord and saviour jesus hartwell christ into his life. note that when marie says to him 'you are the devil' it is an attitude that was adopted by many romans of the time in which jesus hartwell christ roamed our first century version of alberquerque new mexico, jerusalem. walter hartwell white has been crucified by modern day viewers such as amirox (which rhymes with clocks, which usually have roman numerals = romans) when in fact he is living a life full of virtue and premium car washes
have an a1 day
have an a1 day
Robot Pants
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The whole Gretchen and Grey Matter story. If I were him, the real brains behind Grey Matter and the two people who screwed me over and cut me out were suddenly offering me charity - not because it was their idea, but because my wife suggested it to them - i would turn it down also.
It has everything to do with this pride and ego, and honestly I get it.
You could just ask him to say your name.
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