Breaking Bad - Season 5, Part 2 - The Final Eight Episodes - Sundays on AMC

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Jack Remington said:
He's on the borderline.

He got mixed up in some bad shit with some bad people. Killed some bad people out of necessity. Decided he was done with it. Got out, and is trying to stay out.

Todd, on the other hand, is evil personified.
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How is Walt not evil?

I mean, a little kid was killed in front of him because of something illegal they were doing. The next day he was whistling a nice little tune, and wasn't bothered at all by what happened. That's pretty devoid of emotion/empathy if you ask me. That's not too far from Todd.

But ignoring Todd (because I think it defeats the purpose comparing these two people) - Walt still had plenty of chances to get out. To make the right decision that didn't involve people dying. He chose not to. While you might argue for the sake of survival (ie. not going to jail to rot) - he chose to do what he had to. Okay. But it still doesn't excuse Walt for what he's done, and it certainly doesn't make him just someone that "got in over his head and killed bad people out of necessity". He killed Mike purely because Mike wouldn't respect him. He had nothing to gain from Mike's death, and that was not out of necessity.

And hell, he had plenty of chances to walk away. Where he wasn't in a position of having to choose to sink or swim. Where his survival was NOT on the line. And yet he chose to continue doing what he was doing, because of his pride/ego.

So at the point that Walt makes the decision to keep cooking when he doesn't have to, you can't even excuse it as "he got in over his head, and killed bad people out of necessity".
 
Stolen from The Simpsons OT.

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Someone needs to put Walt's head on the tiny lamb and Dexter Morgan's on the bigger lamb. LOL BrBa has ruined Dexter for me.
 
I loled at Todd being evil personified.

Todd is immoral, but he's more so out of stupidity. He does what he is told, plain and simple. It's not as evil as it is utterly mindless and stupid. You tell him to do the train heist, he will, you tell him to not let anyone know about his operation, he'll shoot a kid to ensure it, you tell him to fetch the paper, he'll come running with it between his teeth, wagging his tail.
 
Listening to the podcast before, and I thought it was interesting how Cranston or Gilligan (I forget which) talked about how they felt like the "tread lightly" line wasn't delivered with intimidation in Walt's voice, but with total sadness, as in "please, Hank. Please don't make me do this."

Watched it again, and can definitely see it.

Lonestar said:
What I want, in relation to the future of the Ricin:

However he's going to use it, either as a Suicide in case deal, or to kill someone important, that it backfires because, all this time, he made the Ricin wrong. That his hubris of his infallible chemistry knowledge, went wrong way back when, and this dud has been around, causing alot of carnage by it's existence, while in the end, it's ineffective when Walt finally uses it.
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Oh god, it HAS to be this. This is fucking fantastic.
 
Lonestar said:
What I want, in relation to the future of the Ricin:

However he's going to use it, either as a Suicide in case deal, or to kill someone important, that it backfires because, all this time, he made the Ricin wrong. That his hubris of his infallible chemistry knowledge, went wrong way back when, and this dud has been around, causing alot of carnage by it's existence, while in the end, it's ineffective when Walt finally uses it.
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I can see this happening... how god I can feel it!
 
King Allant said:
how? their two different show. It would make move sense if it was Hannibal instead
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Quality of writing, my friend. Quality of writing and staying true to characters. Keeping things tight rather than wasting season after season with meaningless side plots that don't actually develop the characters.

But that's neither here nor there.
 
Veelk said:
I loled at Todd being evil personified.

Todd is immoral, but he's more so out of stupidity. He does what he is told, plain and simple. It's not as evil as it is utterly mindless and stupid. You tell him to do the train heist, he will, you tell him to not let anyone know about his operation, he'll shoot a kid to ensure it, you tell him to fetch the paper, he'll come back and bark for a treat.
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well, he kept the tarantula, so its clear he has something going on in his head. whether that is remorse for shooting the kid, or keeping the tarantula as a trophy is up to the viewer I guess.
 
King Allant said:
how? their two different show. It would make move sense if it was Hannibal instead
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Hmm, I don't know about completely different. Dexter also messes around with absurdity and comedy despite the grim nature of the subject. Hannibal has very little humor.

But most importantly Dexter and Breaking Bad,are both on their final season and air on Sundays. You gotta choose which one to watch. Breaking Bad hasn't had the massive quality dips that Dexter has seen through its run, so even though people are invested...yeah, BB takes precedent.
 
tmujir955 said:
well, he kept the tarantula, so its clear he has something going on in his head. whether that is remorse for shooting the kid, or keeping the tarantula as a trophy is up to the viewer I guess.
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I wonder if they'll come back to that plot point, but I think it was done just to show he has no remorse for it. But he's too passive to be 'evil personified' imo. He's not much different than walt in this respect, ends justify the means and all collateral is acceptable. He may not care that he does evil, but if the higher ups tell him not to do evil, he won't do it. But pure evil, to me atleast, is when you go out of your way to harm someone for no reason whatsoever except pure sadism. I think only Tuco exhibited that characteristic, and that Elodin guy or whatever (the guy Gus killed).
 
BB has been better than Dexter for a very long time. Dexter peeked in the finale of the Trinity season. Since then it's been underwhelming. BB has been consistently good. In fact BB doesn't contain any filler episodes. It moves at a break neck pace and its incredible.
 
B33 said:
Gilligan asked Kevin if he wanted him to reveal the ending, as it was planned late last year, so long as he kept it surreptitious. He refused. "I'll watch it when it airs." Kevin passed away on March 11th, during the filming of the final season.

I wish you could have watched it with the rest of us, Kevin. My condolences to his family and friends.
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That is the saddest thing I have read this month.
Well at least he is now immortalized in the show he loved.
 
Put me in the Todd is too dumb to care camp. Do I think he wanted to kill that kid? No. Do I think he is going to lose sleep over like Jesse is? Not at all. Like someone already said, he's basically just a dog. Tell him to bite, he'll bite. Tell him to fetch, he'll fetch. He felt shitty about it in the moment, but I don't think it's gonna leave stains on his soul.

Walt generally doesn't have any scruples, but there is no way he would have killed that kid. Walt is arrogant as fuck, and yeah he poisoned Brock but he knew it wouldn't kill him. It's still pretty messed up, but someone with his ego is always going to think that their plans will work exactly right, even when the potential risk is a child's life. But there is no way in hell Walt or Jesse would have murdered that kid on the dirt bike. I don't buy it.
 
Azula said:
How is Walt not evil?

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He killed Mike purely because Mike wouldn't respect him. He had nothing to gain from Mike's death, and that was not out of necessity <snip>.
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Technically, he did gain from Mike's death even though at the time he wasn't rationalizing it that way. He was able to stay out of jail/not run, continue his operation, and make a shit ton of money by killing all of Mike's guys without fear of Mike destroying his ass in the future.
 
kaepernickehs said:
This is true.

One is good, the other one isnt.
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well this is true

KMD said:
They're on at the same time.
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wait there on the same time, lol, hope that lower viewing number to it.

Grizzlyjin said:
Hmm, I don't know about completely different. Dexter also messes around with absurdity and comedy despite the grim nature of the subject. Hannibal has very little humor.

But most importantly Dexter and Breaking Bad,are both on their final season and air on Sundays. You gotta choose which one to watch. Breaking Bad hasn't had the massive quality dips that Dexter has seen through its run, so even though people are invested...yeah, BB takes precedent.
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yeah Dexter is more comedy compare to Hannibal. Honestly if Hannibal exist in the same universe Dexter would be on his plate. And yeah the choice is easy to decide to watch which one.
 
BoboBrazil said:
Walt will try to kill Jesse now that Hank knows. Gotta tie up those loose ends.
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This is why it's going to keep getting more interesting. Killing Jesse (or Hank) would strain even his extremely warped Heisenberg moral compass. And the fact that we can't be sure what he would do with either scenario would seem to challenge the "Walt is pure evil now" assessment.

inm8num2 said:
Feedback noted. Sorry for spam. I wanted to use the Heisenberg sketch as the logo but was having a bit of trouble with making the file transparent.
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Very cool. But maybe a bee instead of a skull and crossbones?
 
BoboBrazil said:
Walt will try to kill Jesse now that Hank knows. Gotta tie up those loose ends.
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Not yet. Jesse is still in the gray area for him. If he finds out Hank and Jesse have been talking (which they probably will in the next episode or so) then Jesse will be on his shit list.
 
Piece of shit list (of those still alive):

- Walt

- Jesse

- Saul

- Lydia

- Todd

All of the above deserve to die, no question about it (Saul being the "least shitty," but still an aid to incredibly horrible criminals). The things they have done deserve no forgiveness.

Now counting all the characters, Gus was probably the most evil and devoid of any emotion or feeling. Willing to kill any man, woman or child in order to continue his business. And Walt is nearing (perhaps already met) his level. Next would be Mike. The amount of human beings he's murdered is innumerable and disgusting. Great character, but a fucking twisted prick and sad excuse of a human. Skylar isn't too horrible, but she helps her fucking horrible drug lord husband. She should have listened to her psychiatrist (?) and went to the police the instant she found out that Walt was manufacturing meth. But no, she eventually decides to go along with all the lies. I don't care if it was for "good reasons" - Walt had "good reasons" as well. Fuck'em.

#TeamHankWaltJrandMarieForever
 
Salmonax said:
This is why it's going to keep getting more interesting. Killing Jesse (or Hank) would strain even his extremely warped Heisenberg moral compass. And the fact that we can't be sure what he would do with either scenario would seem to challenge the "Walt is pure evil now" assessment.
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He was going to kill basically what was Jesse's son in law and he killed his girlfriend. He's purely out for self preservation at this point more than anything else. I think he can kill Jesse without even thinking about it. Hank might give him more pause, but I'm sure he would if it came to it. Either that or Jesse goes into witness protection and testifies against Walt to to try to right the wrongs be did. Either way I'm curious how we end up at scene at the beginning of the episode. I'm guessing the feds are chasing him at that point and that is where the final showdown happens.
 
CrunchyFrog said:
Much better. The skull in cross bones is an ok swap, but I'm trying to think of a better symbol from the series.
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I wanted to use this (sans text):

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I suck at image editing (was just using a site called "keep calm o-matic") and had some trouble with making it transparent for the upload. Everytime I did that the image was incredibly blurred.

But I'm guessing many of you are much more skilled at such a thing and could do a much better job. :)
 
inm8num2 said:
I wanted to use this (sans text):

breaking-bad-heisenberg-drawing.jpg


I suck at image editing (was just using a site called "keep calm o-matic") and had some trouble with making it transparent for the upload. Everytime I did that the image was incredibly blurred.

But I'm guessing many of you are much more skilled at such a thing and could do a much better job. :)
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Nah, I mean you've already got heisenberg in the background. Just needs a more subtle but series relevant symbol at the top to be perfect.
 
BoboBrazil said:
He was going to kill basically what was Jesse's son in law and he killed his girlfriend. He's purely out for self preservation at this point more than anything else. I think he can kill Jesse without even thinking about it. Hank might give him more pause, but I'm sure he would if it came to it.
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You are underestimating the bond between Walt and Jesse. They went through a lot together. And you can just tell that Walt cares about Jesse, through their interactions the past two or three seasons. I guarantee Walt cannot kill Jesse without even thinking about it.
 
BoboBrazil said:
He was going to kill basically what was Jesse's son in law and he killed his girlfriend. He's purely out for self preservation at this point more than anything else. I think he can kill Jesse without even thinking about it. Hank might give him more pause, but I'm sure he would if it came to it.
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It can't be proven that he meant to kill Brock, although its fair to say that he was willing to have him die as collateral damage. And not intervening when she had essentially killed herself was indeed a fascinating moment, posing the question of whether letting someone die of their own doing is the same as murdering them.

But neither Hank nor Jesse fall into the same category as those two. They were bit players he barely knew that he used as pawns. Yep, that's deplorable behavior. But it wouldn't pose anywhere near the dilemma of killing Jesse and Hank, both of whom he really cares about.

ridley182 said:
A fly? Or maybe a Biohazard sign.
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I meant the Methylamine bee. Too obscure? If nothing else, it's a cool design. :P
 
CrunchyFrog said:
That dissolution reaction was hella awesome to watch. I really feel like they missed a myth opportunity with the giant magnet caper, though.
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I could be wrong, but I don't believe there's any reasonable way to replicate the giant magnet caper. I think it's all but impossible because magnetic field strength drops exponentially the further away you get.
 
xtrasauce said:
You are underestimating the bond between Walt and Jesse. They went through a lot together. And you can just tell that Walt cares about Jesse, through their interactions the past two or three seasons. I guarantee Walt cannot kill Jesse without even thinking about it.
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Salmonax said:
It can't be proven that he meant to kill Brock, although its fair to say that he was willing to have him die as collateral damage. And not intervening when she had essentially killed herself was indeed a fascinating moment, posing the question of whether letting someone die of their own doing is the same as murdering them.

But neither Hank nor Jesse fall into the same category as those two. They were bit players he barely knew that he used as pawns. Yep, that's deplorable behavior. But it wouldn't pose anywhere near the dilemma of killing Jesse and Hank, both of whom he really cares about.
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Yeah you guys are probably right, but I think he will do it if he had to. The first scene of the episode makes me believe that's leading to a final shootout between the feds and Walt though. He will die alone in a house after beginning the show as someone who was trying to provide for a family.
 
The only time Marie doesn't wear some sort of purple was the day hank found that book in the bathroom.


If Marie would have worn different colors before maybe hank would have figured it all out eariler.
 
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