Aw man, I didn't even get to my main point, that Americans don't have any history and they're mad other countries won't sell theirs.
But seriously who is this chick, did she win a Cowell brand reality show or something?
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Kelly Clarkson buys Jane Austen ring, England won't let her leave country with it
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But seriously who is this chick, did she win a Cowell brand reality show or something?
Anticitizen One
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It belongs in a museum
ElbowRocket
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TomJoadsGhost
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This is so stupid, she was the person who cared most about the ring at the appropriate time so the ring should be hers.
Besides imagine the deep future when this thing comes to light again having been owned by both Jane Austen *and* Kelly Clarkson.
That's some history right there.
Besides imagine the deep future when this thing comes to light again having been owned by both Jane Austen *and* Kelly Clarkson.
That's some history right there.
2 Slice Toaster
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Well, someone in the country was attempting to sell this object of highly historical significance, so the issue isn't whether the UK is willing to sell off a part of their history as that actually happened.
ShinNL
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I personally feel that it has more meaning and value for someone who wears a replica of the ring to wear the ring, tell the stories and carry the history (and expand on it), than for the ring to collect dust in a museum. That's why museums are boring. Rings belong on fingers, of people who can talk about the ring.
Which America do you mean?
We just don't want national treasures being worn by a c**t who won American Idol. Is that not fair?
How would you feel if One Direction bought Mark Twain's pen he wrote the Tom Sawyer novels with?
Pen analogy fails. It would be more like Mark Twain's cock ring.
scytheavatar
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That's the problem, it's Jane Austen's ring, not the pen she used to write her novels. There are 2 more of her Jeweleries that had survived. To call it a national treasure is pretty much a joke.
All of them, but obviously the United States of particularly
A lot of hate being thrown her way for doing nothing more than paying for something that meant more to her than to the original owners. If it's of such historical significance, it should never have been put on auction in the first place.
People make her sound like some narcissistic freak who bought it on a lark.
People make her sound like some narcissistic freak who bought it on a lark.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
I'm glad England is so honorable when it comes to making sure artifacts rightfully stay in their home countries.
Oh, wait...
Perfect.
Deaf Spacker
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You've hit the nail on the head.
Let her have the ring, nobody cares apart from readers of The Sun.
-Random American pop star buys ring of minor historical significance at auction
-Nationalists, daily mail readers, other assorted morons wag their dicks at each other for a while
-Musician is blamed for wanting the ring in the first place
Are you fucking kidding me? Give her the ring. If the auctioneer wanted it to stay in the country, it should've been a restricted auction.
-Nationalists, daily mail readers, other assorted morons wag their dicks at each other for a while
-Musician is blamed for wanting the ring in the first place
Are you fucking kidding me? Give her the ring. If the auctioneer wanted it to stay in the country, it should've been a restricted auction.
the only "issue" here is that someone shoulda told her about this law, end of story. The fact she's a foreigner doesn't count
Winterfang
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Well, it should be in a Museum as some have said, but I kind of feel she should be allowed to take it back with her seeing as she actually owns the ring. She won it fair and square at an auction.
However, the government has the power to block anything that is deemed a 'national treasure', If that is the law, then there isn't much of an argument you can make. They didn't just make the law up just for this ring, as some seem to think.
I've seen this question a number of times. Because the owner of the ring wanted to sell it. Why do you think it was put up for auction? :s
Also, the comments about the British being hypocrites... I suppose in a way that would be true, there are a number of controversial items in the UK (i.e. the Parthenon Marbles) but there is one big difference: those items are in a museum where they are looked after properly and free for everyone to see.
Yeah! I'm sure Clarkson will let you go around to her house one night to take a look at it. Maybe she can give you the history of it over a glass of wine...
However, the government has the power to block anything that is deemed a 'national treasure', If that is the law, then there isn't much of an argument you can make. They didn't just make the law up just for this ring, as some seem to think.
I've seen this question a number of times. Because the owner of the ring wanted to sell it. Why do you think it was put up for auction? :s
Also, the comments about the British being hypocrites... I suppose in a way that would be true, there are a number of controversial items in the UK (i.e. the Parthenon Marbles) but there is one big difference: those items are in a museum where they are looked after properly and free for everyone to see.
Yeah! I'm sure Clarkson will let you go around to her house one night to take a look at it. Maybe she can give you the history of it over a glass of wine...
ShinNL
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Sounds good. Better than a museum representative telling me "Oh look, this is the ring that Jane Austen wore".
Yeah. Phone her up and see what she says...
ShinNL
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She doesn't have the ring at the moment, so it's not worth my time.
They would've sold it to a private British collector without any of this "let's keep OUR ring in OUR country" bullshit. For all we know, that dude could've rubbed it on his nipples and masturbated as a servant read him Pride and Prejudice.
That's true. If the UK change their mind maybe she'll let you tag along with her when she goes and gets it. She might even let you try it on.
Edit: Misread what you were saying...
They probably would, but it gives British museums a chance to get their hands on it I suppose..
fluffydelusions
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How about we just give England Justin Bieber as a fair trade?
If this ring sold to a private collector in the ring's country of origin, there would be no controversy surrounding the ring's sale. This wouldn't even be news. However, the public still wouldn't be able to see it, making your argument pretty specious.
Winterfang
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We can't, Justin is Canadian.
Yeah. I edited my post.
You've missed the point of my argument. There is no special exemption for Britsh nationals in my argument.
Let's give them Santa Anna's leg. Make this really confusing.
I guess Mexico gets the Koh-i-Noor Diamond in this scenario.
fluffydelusions
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Damn...well you're move Canada.
I kinda want this.
MagicWithEarvin
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I want to buy this
give us Mel Gibson
lol, England is high on Mel Gibson's register of hate
While I think we'd both prefer a museum take possession of the ring, they simply don't have the money. Two rings remain with the estate, and if the third is to go into the hands of a private collector, I don't think it's cause for outrage.
The only reason this situation is upsetting to me is the patriotic/nationalist/jingoistic (pick one) effort to keep the ring in its home country. Since-U-Been-Gone-Lady is being deemed unworthy of the ring by readers of The Sun and Daily Mail, and this is obviously due to her nationality. The fact that the ring belongs in a museum is irrelevant, as it isn't the reason people are outraged about its purchase.
It's because a non-English popstar wants it.
Is there a law stating that items deemed to be "cultural artifacts" must be forfeited to a museum upon the owner's passing? If so, that'd be a strong argument to keep the ring in England.
I think you're both in the wrong thread.
Phoenician_Viking
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I'm glad England is so honorable when it comes to making sure artifacts rightfully stay in their home countries.
Oh, wait...
Hahahahha.
Lol, but seriously GTFO.
Well, I don't really know the details of the law. I know that museums get first refusal on ancient items found. I think all ancient items have to be reported. If they are given back to the person and they decide to sell it, the museums get first refusal on those items.
Stated here
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/aug/15/education.arts
I suppose one question is whether it actually really qualifies as a 'national treasure'. This would obviously never happen, but lets say the Declaration of Independence was in a private collection, and they decided to put it up for auction, do you think the US government would allow it out of the country if a foreign national bought it?
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Your link is broken.
This ring is not an ancient item, so that isn't quite what I was looking for, but good find -- I wasn't aware of that law.
No, of course the Declaration of Independence wouldn't be allowed out of the country. However, that's an abysmal analogy. Mark Twain's third bolo tie, however, would be sold in a heartbeat -- North American countries don't protect the exportation of cultural artifacts the way England does.
Yeah, I know it isn't, that's why I said I don't really know the details of that law. It's just that in terms of museums buying objects, there certainly are some laws in place that helps them to get hold of these items.
And, yeah, it isn't really comparable. As I said, the question is more to do with whether it is a 'national treasure'. I was just comparing it to the Deceleration of Independence, which I know is a national treasure (I thought of the film lol) just to give some possible context to the law.
sixteen-bit
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lol, you'd think so, right?
BlazingDarkness
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Jane Austen gets way too much hate on GAF. Yes her stories are the birth of modern romance cliche and generally have pretty limited scope in subject matter and whatnot, but they still provide a certain social commentary which holds historical importance.
Also, is there any pics of the ring? I wanna see it.
Edit: Yep, there's one in the OP. Would like a better pic though, can't see shit.
Also, is there any pics of the ring? I wanna see it.
Edit: Yep, there's one in the OP. Would like a better pic though, can't see shit.
And that's good to know, but if there are no laws relevant to the purchase of this ring, there's no reason to keep it in the country.
The ring's sale to an American resulted in donation drives to keep it in its country of origin, along with some not-too-kind words for its purchaser.
If it were sold to a private English collection, this whole situation would've been ignored.
That's all I was trying to say. It's hypocritical to deny an item to a foreigner when it'd be equally inaccessible to the public in the hands of an English collector.
Well it was deemed a national treasure. That is the grounds in which it is not allowed to leave the country. Why I brought it up...
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