Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS Thread 2: Where Pilotwings is apparently Minecraft
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IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I understand what you are thinking and I fully agreed with your position. I can't helped but wanting few "unrealistic" characters to be in the game such as Isaac, Laughing Dog, and King K. Rool.
I'm fine with any modes. Do you prefer 1 vs 1 or Free for All?
GiantEnemyGoomba
Member
Screw 'em all, I want Pyrrhon.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Getting Palutena and Medusa isn't impossible. Medusa could be semi-clone of Palutena in a weird sense.
One more question, What is good newcomers in your mind?
I agree with what your saying because I do think it's important to be smart and respectful about character selection and not just add any random character. However, the issue with this is that everyone has a different criteria for what they consider to be a worthy Smash Bros character. It's all subjective and nobody should claim to know what the objective fact on who deserves to be in Smash Bros. Well except Sakurai because it is his game.
I've seen people argue that third-party character kill the 'purity' of Smash Bros and shouldn't be in.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Yeah, it's a quite important thing to keep in our mind. We don't know what is the objective of characters that should be playable characters. With this saying, I would like to see those variable of retro characters and few characters that are more likely to have no chance at all such as Takamaru, Laughing Dog, Isaac, Little Mac, Palutena, King K. Rool, etc.
Honestly? This sounds like a cop-out, but there really aren't any "good" newcomers left. There's nothing for us to unanimously agree on -- it's a free-for-all, really, with people trying to justify the niche/minor characters from the games they love. There aren't any Warios or Olimars or Dededes left.
I'd say Ridley is the closest thing to a character that fires on all cylinders (heavily requested and highly important to Metroid). And even then, there's the whole "he's too big/awkward/whatever" argument that always comes up. There are always going to be retro characters and topical characters like Chrom or a new Pokémon that can fit into the roster no questions asked, but as far as major, important characters go, Villager was the last one left.
Green Mamba
Member
What is Link doing in today's shot? Dodging? Then why is his shield on his back? I almost want to say it looks like he's using his Clawshot, but I can't see any Clawshot. Perhaps he threw the X-Bomb, but I still can't tell what animation that is.
Is that just not mid swing with his upsmash?
Vintage_Creep
Banned
I think it's his grab. Not sure though.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I really hope all the newcomers aren't based on recent/upcoming games.
Do you mind if I ask what are those "high standards" you mention? You say you're Ok with the WFT, a faceless-nameless trainer from a series that has so far 2 games (3 if you count Wii Fit U) but then say that Isaac, the protagonist of a series consisting of 3 games would mud the roster. Both series were acclaimed by their respective demographics and were commercially successful (one more than the other tho).
In Smash there are characters more niche than Isaac and the like. Pit had only 2 games when he was revealed, one of which was not even released in Japan and neither game was very successful; the Mother series have had a playable character since the n64 despite only 1 game being localized and neither being very successful. The Ice Climbers never got a sequel, they come from a single game (even if re-released for many platforms). When it comes to who "deserves" to be a character, there is really no rule or standard other than Sakurai wanting to add them.
tirkaroKujo
Member
Anyone who seriously thinks this doesn't know their Nintendo franchises very well.
Yeah, I don't really see how WFT fits into "high standards" for characters, she just seems like a really off-the-wall choice that Sakurai likes. I think people overthink the character selection process when it really comes down to who appeals to Sakurai from a unique gameplay perspective.
Neoriceisgood
Member
The three categories for non-3rd party chars that I would identify are:
1. Important timeless characters
2. Extremely retro characters
3. Important "current" characters with enough power behind them to matter.
Wii Fit Trainer falls in category 3 because of the insane sales of Wii Fit and also fitting in with Sakurai's demand for a character to add something special.
Someone like Isaac should've made it into Smash around Brawl when he was most relevant. He's not big enough to fit in category 1 & 2, but not recent/active enough to fit in 3.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
this this this this this
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
True, but did they just released the game in 2010? In some sense, the timing between Golden Sun Dark Dawn and SSB4 are way shorter than between Golden Sun: Lost Age and Brawl.
Mega Man cries a silent river.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Felix was a planned edition based on observation of the music that made it in Brawl.
BigEvilTurtle
Banned
Still want Banjo-Kazooie. Rare pls
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I don't think they ever planned to put Felix in the game.
that isn't going to happens
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Who?
BigEvilTurtle
Banned
I don't think they ever planned to put Felix in the game.
that isn't going to happens
Their moveset would be amazing. Ugh. Such a lost opportunity.
It's all I've ever wanted since Smash 64.
Some character didn't fit any category when announced either. Ness and Cpt. Falcon (64) weren't important, retro nor had enough power behind them, the same could be said of the Fire Emblem series in Melee. The only game that would fit those categories is Brawl but then again, it added no new franchise to the roster other than Kid Icarus and RoB; it did add more characters to existing franchises that didn't fit those categories tho, like Lucas.
EDIT: Forgot about Olimar, who doesn't fit any category either, unless being a Miyamoto's IP makes him immediately "Important and Timeless"
What does Shulk have to do with X?
There were two Tetris tracks, does that mean Tetrominoes were going to be playable?
I thought the general consensus was that it was him at the end of the first trailer. In any case, I still think Shulk has a shot.
Yeah I don't think X is directly tied to Xenoblade. I can them putting in a cameo, at most.
That said, I think he has a small shot of making it in too.
A majority of the really important Nintendo characters are already represented, so I think newcomers will mostly be oddballs anyway. I agree about being strict with third-party additions, but having a sense of what is "pure" for Smash Bros. in regards to just the Nintendo roster is kind of silly at this point. Even if the gameplay of Golden Sun or whatever series isn't your cup of tea, Nintendo properties always have some sort of aesthetic and creative charm to appreciate.
If you're a competitive player then I'd prefer 1vs1 and no items, but I'm OK with anything as well. What's your timezone and what times are you free? My FC is 1679-5548-0630.
Don't worry, you can use them in Superb Kinect Broskis, exclusively on Xbox One.
No L block was.
Red Rudolph
Member
Little Mac deserves the spot he's hopefully already been given. I'm not even a huge fan of Mac, but the Punch Out series has had at least as much influence as Kid Icarus (which I'm a huge fan of), and it's also had a recent iteration, so I think that's one of the veeery few "worthy" character left.
In the same vein, as much as I don't really care for the idea of a Mii as a playable character, it's hard to deny that they're something of a Nintendo staple and a huge mascot for the success that was the Wii. They're not as classic as many of the other characters, so I wouldn't miss them if they didn't show to the party. But they've probably earned any spot that's given to them.
Besides that, though, I really can't think of anyone else that seems like an obvious choice. That said, nobody would have ever guessed WFT would show up. It's not like she's got a huge legacy or anything...
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
*brofist*
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
i understand what your coming from but chibi-robo and issac? how would they even come close to muddying the smash roster? they're very much nintendo characters, hell issac was even considered ot be in brawl but like lil mac, sakurai didnt have time and relugated him to assist trophy
Green Mamba
Member
Where are you getting that Isaac and Little Mac were ever considered for Brawl?
Yeah, I can understand Wonder Red if you have an aversion to non-proven characters/franchises, but Chibi falls very much into the quirky WFT category for me. Him and Isaac also have 3+ games to their credit so it's not like they're out of the blue.
Obviously, sales aren't the only factor that should be considered, but 40+ million units sold between two games is nothing to brush off. Wii Fit was a cultural phenomenon. It absolutely has a place in Nintendo history. Wii Fit Trainer is a perfect representative for Nintendo's casual dominance circa 2006-2008.
I know my Nintendo franchises perfectly well, thanks. There's a difference between want and expectation.
It's certainly a missed opportunity. Could've been so much better.
Bill Rizer
Member
Yeah, an infamous representative of an obscure era. Wasn't for Smash Bros., I'd have buried her deep and never thought again about.
Luckily, Sakurai is such a genius, he sorted to make me find WFT a very intriguing character now.
Probably would've had more than two versus modes for starters, lol.
Ironically I can easily see SSB4 surpassing it in the online department.