MrSaturn99
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A Kirby's Epic Yarn stage is a given. Wouldn't be surprised to see something from RTDL, too.
Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS Thread 2: Where Pilotwings is apparently Minecraft
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A Kirby's Epic Yarn stage is a given. Wouldn't be surprised to see something from RTDL, too.
There are plenty of worthy characters to choose from:
Pac-Man: One of the biggest gaming icons, and the perfect second third-party character for this next Smash Bros., with Namco Bandai developing it and all. Pac-Man has had a great relationship with Nintendo, with Miyamoto even having designed a Pac-Man game himself (Pac-Man Vs.). Also, let's not forget that Pac-Man has teamed up with Mario on multiple occasions before! And with the upcoming new Pac-Man games and the recent debut of his own TV show, the timing couldn't be better!
Mii: Miis have become a HUGE staple to Nintendo since their debut on Wii, and they have since been featured in many, many games, from Wii Sports to Mario Kart to Pilotwings...and the list goes on and on! It's only natural to include them in Smash Bros., too! It would add some more customization to the game, as well.
Little Mac: Now, this guy is just overdue to be in Smash Bros.! He didn't quite make it into Brawl, but after the new Punch-Out!! game for Wii, his time has come! I'm guessing the main reason why he hadn't been a top pick for Sakurai before was because...well, what exactly would his move set be? He doesn't really do much besides...punch. But if Sakurai can make a move set for Captain Falcon from scratch, he can figure out something for Little Mac.
Mewtwo: He needs to return. It was a sin to cut him in the first place! He has a unique move set, and there's no better time for Mewtwo's Return with Mega Mewtwo from Pokémon X and Pokémon Y being in the spotlight right now. (I'd love to see Mega Mewtwo represented in the game somehow, preferably as a Final Smash or something similar, but not as a replacement for normal Mewtwo.)
Takamaru: I believe Takamaru falls in line with characters like Pit. He's not exactly relevant, and he doesn't have a big franchise behind him, either, but he is a fondly remembered retro character, and I believe he stands out among the rest, as Pit did before him. He's been getting more recognition lately, too, with the Murasame Castle in Samurai Warriors 3, the Takamaru's Ninja Castle attraction in Nintendo Land, and the expected upcoming Virtual Console release of The Mysterious Murasame Castle outside of Japan for the first time.
Chrom: Fire Emblem is tricky when it comes to potential new characters for Smash Bros., much like Pokémon, because there are new main characters with every new game. But why do we need a new character just because there have been new games? Had it not been for Fire Emblem Awakening's CRAZY success and popularity, I wouldn't believe that a new Fire Emblem character would even be considered. Marth and Ike alone are perfect characters to represent Fire Emblem, because they're the two lords that have appeared the most in the franchise. Chrom doesn't have multiple appearances behind him, but he is the main lord from the fastest selling and most popular (worldwide, that is) Fire Emblem game yet. I can see him being included because of that, but not at the cost of losing Ike. I think they'll either add Chrom as a third Fire Emblem character, or just represent Fire Emblem Awakening in other ways (like the Arena Ferox stage in the 3DS version).
Ridley: Metroid could use another character, and Ridley is the only good choice for that character! I don't think he's a shoe-in, but I can definitely see it happening. He doesn't have to be "too big!"
Waluigi: Now, there are a few different potential choices for a new Mario character. Personally, I believe it comes down to either Paper Mario or Waluigi, and I think Waluigi would be the better choice of the two (not that Paper Mario wouldn't be awesome, too!). I think Waluigi deserves a little more. Mario, Luigi, and Wario have all had their time to shine, so when will it be Waluigi's turn? He's such a mysterious character because so little is known of him and his abilities, and because of that Sakurai could do a lot of really interesting things with his move set! It might even pave the way for a Waluigi game, or at least an appearance in a main series Mario game! At the very least, it would complete the set of Mario, Luigi, Wario, and Waluigi!
King K. Rool: Smash Bros. could always use more villains, and King K. Rool is one of the best you can choose! He may not be super relevant today (his last appearance was Mario Super Sluggers in 2008), but he's still the main villain of the Donkey Kong franchise, and he'd be a good choice for a third Donkey Kong character should there be one. I can see Dixie Kong's potential, too, but I'd think that we'd get a villain before another protagonist.
Palutena: I don't think that Kid Icarus really needs a second playable character, but if it gets special treatment because of Sakurai's involvement in the franchise, then Palutena is really the only option. She's the Zelda of Kid Icarus. She's the titular character of the franchise in Japan, and she's the only character besides Pit who has appeared in all three Kid Icarus games. Choosing any other Kid Icarus character over her would just be silly.
Shulk: Now, Shulk's only been in one game, I know. One extremely well received game, which will be getting a sequel on Wii U. We know he's not just from a one-off game, as the Xenoblade franchise is clearly still an active one. He's one of the more logical choices for a character from a relatively new Nintendo franchise. I don't know how likely he is, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him make the cut.
Isaac: I'm not entirely sure what to think about Isaac. Golden Sun is one of the few Nintendo franchises that I have yet to play, so I don't know much about his character or anything, but I do know that his games were very popular and well received during the GBA era. His franchise only spans 3 games, but the most recent Golden Sun game for DS is only a few years old, so I don't think he's too irrelevant. I don't think he's incredibly likely, but I can see it happening. Of all the other smaller Nintendo franchises like his out there, I think Isaac is one of the best picks for Smash Bros.
Dillon: I'm kind of scraping the bottom of the barrel now, and while I wouldn't really expect a character like Dillon making the cut, I can see it happening if only to represent eShop games. There hasn't ever been a character or any other form of representation in Smash Bros. from a franchise that's been exclusive to WiiWare/DSiWare/eShop. Granted, that wasn't really possible before since WiiWare wasn't even around until after Brawl's release, but now that Nintendo has had a presence in the digital side of things for awhile, perhaps they'll want a character to represent that side of Nintendo's catalog? If so, I think Dillon would be a fine choice.
Tingle: If another Zelda character were to get into Smash Bros., it would have to be tingle, in my opinion. Aside from Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf, he really is the next biggest character in the franchise. He's even got his own spin-off games! He's the only other Zelda character that has ever been playable aside from Link himself (and Zelda, if you count her role in Spirit Tracks). Not to mention he's quite popular (maybe not so much in North America...but still). He'd also be the perfect excuse to reference Balloon Fighter in his move set, since he does everything Balloon Fighter does and more, and is more of a character, too. One problem, though... They've already done that with Villager. So, because of that, I think Tingle's chances are very slim now, unfortunately. But I still don't see any other Zelda character getting in the game, so if we don't get Tingle, I don't think we're getting anyone.
That pretty much concludes the characters that I think have any kind of chance of making it into Smash Bros., though. If anyone other than any of the characters I listed above make the cut, I'll be truly shocked. Mega Man and Villager were on my list of potential characters before E3 along with the characters above, and it was no surprise to see them confirmed! The only big shocker to me was Wii Fit Trainer (but, really, did ANYONE expect her?). It makes perfect sense now, of course, but I'd be very surprised if Sakurai manages to pull off another unexpected (but very appropriate) character like her.
Didn't Sakurai say he didn't want a KIU sequel?
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/05/09/no-sequel-for-kid-icarus-uprising
Edit: nevermind, I thought you said something else.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
This is the only other third party character I've ever entertained as feasible, but I hate hate HATE Pac-Man with arms and legs. He is just revolting. I know Sakurai has a AAA track record here with making third-party inclusions look better than they ever looked in their own games, but I'm not sure what can reasonably be done to make limbed-Pac-Man not just look like a yellow bastard child of Kirby and Sonic. The only thing I'd be happy with is if they put him in there with NO limbs. Floating pie chart with a black dot for an eye. That I'd be on board with. I don't think he'd really be different enough from other playable characters otherwise. It'd be pretty hard to make a moveset work though.
All in all: Sonic and Mega Man are plenty.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Alright, I will send you the PM but I don't remember my friend code.
I seriously doubt that SSB4 would get better netcode than PSABR.
I agreed with most of your characters, but Waluigi and Tingle? Waluigi is a filler character and his only main game is dancing game. Did Nintendo trying to sweep Tingle under the rug since Western hate him?
Eh, I don't see him mentioning anything about sequel.
Even with slightly worse netcode (which is debatable, I think they could do netcode that is up to par), I'd still put SSB4 ahead if it has lobbies/communities. PSASBR's invitation or random stuff was so archaic for a hyped-up online-focused PS3 game.
Are we seriously doubting Namco? If this was a Nintendo-only affair I'd be terrified, but having Namco at it is like a god send.
Also you people talking about who "should" be in Smash are shameful jaded creatures. I'll take anyone as long as they are well realized and play great.
He did, but he edited it out.
Hot Coldman
Banned
If Palutena gets in ahead of Hades, I'm blaming you assholes.
Green Mamba
Member
See, if Smash was being made by anyone but the guy who made Kirby, I'd think that, but Sakurai has not been shown to being predisposed to going with what is most recent for Kirby stages. Even Brawl, which was very much about picking recent installments for stages, Kirby got the Halberd, based largely upon Kirby Super Star. I wouldn't be so sure to seeing anything from Yarn or Return to Dreamland.
Concerning your list of characters, Tyeforce, I think it just shows what Ryce was talking about; most of those characters, while decent enough picks, are not really A-listers (save a few). Many of them are B-listers from B-tier franchises. Out of the Nintendo characters you listed, only Miis and Little Mac really have any recognizability that you would get from the majority of Melee and Brawl's newcomers.
Ryce is basically saying there aren't any Warios or Bowsers or Diddy Kongs or Zeldas left. And he's more or less right.
MrSaturn99
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Chrom is the one new character I feel is 100% guaranteed to appear. Still can't comprehend that people (read: Gamefaqs) would rather want Owain or Tharja over him.
Would love to see a KI:U rep as well.
Would love to see a KI:U rep as well.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
To answer above and below, Yeah I trust Namco, but hypothetically, what if Nintendo preferred that they would design the netcodes?
I would do same thing when they announced those characters but it's just harmless discussions.
Just theoretically, would you be okay with Ninten (Ness clone), Krystal (Star Fox Command aka Fox Clone), Toon Zelda and Sheik (NOT EVEN TETRA. of course, they are clones), and Dark Pit (Pit clone)?
What I meant by clone, no changes in the move set at all.
MrSaturn99
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Great point, but you have to remember that Kirby didn't have a major platforming game on a console in the period between Melee and Brawl (there was Kirby Air Ride, yeah, but that was just a spin-off) and I'm also guessing he didn't feel the multitude of handheld games would lend themselves to a stage. Now that we've received two newer console games, I doubt he'll just stick with the older ones.
Not to mention, think of the creativity an Epic Yarn stage could lend!
If Pac-Man gets in, he's surely going to have limbs and be modeled after his new design. There's no way they'd put him in the game without limbs, lol (though I fully expect his Final Smash to be a giant 8-bit version of him chomping down on the other players as if they were ghosts after he got a Power Pellet). And even if you don't like the design, I'm sure Sakurai will make him tolerable. His move set would no doubt be based on his arcade roots as much as possible.
When making my list of potential characters, I looked at every franchise and any potential newcomers from each franchise. I'm not saying that I fully expect a new Mario or Zelda newcomer, but if we do get either, I believe it'll most likely be Waluigi or Tingle, respectively. I don't believe any other Mario character would get in over Waluigi (except MAYBE Paper Mario), and I don't believe any other Zelda character would get in over Tingle.
Waluigi may be mostly a filler character, but I believe he has plenty of untapped potential, and it irks me that he's always the odd one out of the four. I think he'd make for a more interesting and deserving newcomer than any other potential Mario character.
And Nintendo certainly hasn't tried to sweep Tingle under the rug. He's constantly referenced in Nintendo's games, not just Zelda games, even now. Heck, there's a Tingle hat in both Animal Crossing: New Leaf and StreetPass Mii Plaza! The many spin-off games may have come to an end for the time being, but that doesn't mean that Nintendo is trying to get rid of him at all! North America just seems to dislike him for whatever reason. Still, what other Zelda character is more deserving of being in Smash Bros. than Tingle? There are none, really. Ghirahim, probably the most wanted Zelda newcomer, is just a one-off villain with not much importance to the franchise as a whole.
I'd argue that a few more of those characters are on par with Mii and Little Mac, but yeah, he's right about a lot of them. Still, I don't believe that means they're not worthy of being in Smash Bros. Smash Bros. has its share of B-list characters, after all, like Jigglypuff, Ice Climbers, Lucas, etc. I do believe that the list of worthy characters pretty much ends with the ones I listed, though.
Orbis Tabula
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People always talk about Pac-Man as a good third party rep, but I would kill to see Bomberman. He's iconic, would have a fun moveset that wouldn't be hard to imagine, and just fits the game, in my opinion. I'd love seeing him done for Smash in the same way Megaman was.
Plus, GAF would overflow with "Bomberman zal droppen" and "Bomba-man" jokes.
Plus, GAF would overflow with "Bomberman zal droppen" and "Bomba-man" jokes.
BassForever
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Mega Man and Bomberman, 2 abandoned mascots saved by Nintendo in smash
Yeah, Bomberman would be cool. There's his classic games but I also fondly remember Bomberman 64 and Bomberman Hero.
By the way who owns the rights to Bomberman? I wonder if it would be hard to get him in if Sakurai cared to.
Only problem is Bomberman is owned by Konami, and they haven't done anything with the IP since they got it.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Konami does now.
That's not bad then, since they've worked with them on Snake.
Though, I consider any new third-party besides Sonic to be a surprise at this point. Even Snake. So I won't get my hopes up for more than Mega Man or Sonic.
Well, they let them use Snake in Brawl. So, maybe...Bomberman is feasible? God knows he's been in enough games on Nintendo consoles to be iconic. Would be a pretty cool moveset, too.
If Konami was able to make Bomberman work in a fighting game against Optimus Prime, the kid from Beyblade, and Simon Belmont, I think Nintendo would be able to come up with a decent moveset with all of the different games he's had over the year. Though he's been rather multiplatform lately (mainly being XBLA/PSN), but I don't think I'd be annoyed if he somehow got in, considering he did get a good amount of Nintendo-based games.
How many third-party characters are you guys expecting? I think keeping it at two is fine, really. Kind of hoping to see Sonic return.
Your FC will be at the top of the friend list in Brawl's Wi-Fi mode.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I really want to see Sonic returning, but I would love to see Snake's moveset to remain in the game. Plus there is a rumor about Pac Man being in the game.
2-4.
Sonic is probably going to return, Pac-Man is a no brainier, and Snake is a toss-up.
HerbertFish
Member
Waluigi is "filler"? Lol no. Easily the best character in the mushroom kingdom
I imagine Konami will be at their knees again.
Hot Coldman
Banned
With the impending death of Lords of Shadow, maybe Konami will finally let OG Simon Belmont live again.
I'M FINISHED!
Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
I would like a new Bomberman game. It doesn't seem right that there is a new Nintendo console out without a new Bomberman title. Thanks, Konami.
I liked Snake, but yeah, it would be cool if someone like Jeff Andonuts got his missile/bomb gameplay.
I know it'll never happen. Jeff was a nifty Assist Trophy, though! Spread the EarthBound love!
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
I remember a long time ago, an interview or somewhere, that some of the AT were characters that were considered for brawl's roster like lil mac and issac, but sakurai didnt have the time or couldnt think of a full moveset so he put them as AT instead
Also don't forget to type "/nick <name here>" to change your name!
Choppasmith
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Same here, even if his chances aren't too good. Every time I fought him, I was like, "Man, this guy has got some great moveset potential."
Do you guys ever play Brawl in there?
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
you should check the IRC link heath, its only a blank untitled page for me
RawkHawk2010
Member
Huh? Such trend never happened.
64 started with 12 fighters
Melee introduced 13 new fighters
Brawl introduced 15 new fighters
This isn't counting transformation or multiple in one characters.
EDIT: Reading your post again... am I misreading you and you actually mean from SSB4 onward we'll get less and less newcomers? If so then disregard my post.
okay yeah, I totally misread you there. I should get some sleep. I agree with your post now that I understand it, well sort of. We really don't have a lot of options left for the roster for sure. 15 newcomers might be possible but... eh... It's hard to imagine it now that I think about it. Surprise me Sakurai.
Also, Nintendo make more exciting IPs please
Yeah, I meant from SSB4 onward, given Sakurai's talk about how so much work is put into every individual dude and Brawl basically reached what was feasible in that department.
My main issue is that the newer characters' movesets just seem so much more fun and creative than those of the original 12. I know the official reason for them staying the same is that Sakurai doesn't want to piss off the people who are "used to them", but he already gave Mario FLUDD when he really didn't even need it!
So why can't Donkey Kong (who desperately NEEDS a moveset revamp due to half of his special moves being fabricated for no reason) get a Blast Barrel for his recovery? (If DK was a newcomer in either Brawl or Smash 4, you KNOW he'd have that.)
I'm still looking for Brawl matches if you're interested.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
It's for people who already had IRC program.
friskykillface
Banned
did king k rool get announced yet?
I think he's not gonna make it, nobody likes him , bleh
I think he's not gonna make it, nobody likes him , bleh
PorygonVandal
Member
Seriously? Palutena would be a much better fit than Hades.
Maybe, if not tonight then it would be fun to play some this weekend, I've had an itch to play some Brawl.
I'm trying to find an adapter so I can use a wii+CG controller instead of a WiiU+Classic controller (meh) on my monitor.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
I thought he was one of the fan favorites to get into SSB4 after Palutena, Mac and Ridley? Tropical Freeze makes me paranoid they'll just bring back whatever they had planned for Dixie, especially due to the low female count Smash suffers from.did king k rool get announced yet?
I think he's not gonna make it, nobody likes him , bleh