Wait, what? Finally? It's not getting cancelled, is it? It's my favourite comic these days.
COMICS! |OT| September 2013 - Forever Evil (For A Month), IN 3D (where available)
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Wait, what? Finally? It's not getting cancelled, is it? It's my favourite comic these days.
I thought Kyle was dead? From the last Alpha Flight series?
Rafa=FedKilla
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GotG has lost alot of steam. Cant have a book have over two months in between issues in the age of souble shipping. The Wake is incredible. Im so glad that Vertigo has new blood now, that broad was definitely holding the brand back. Dan Didio needs to let these titles breath and not cancel them when they dont do comics superstar numbers. The future of comics is bright.
Jedeye Sniv
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That's all I've read and I think I get most of it. Learning who Thanos and his dudes are through context. I had also red Hickman's FF run and there are a handful of concepts carried over from that too.
Batwoman to end with issue 26...
Edit: Might have jumped the gun Haden & J.H. are leaving the book...
Hey, DC's awful trade publication schedule actually has an upside now! I only read Batwoman in trade so this run won't end for me until this time next year!
The no marriage thing is so stupid, I bet Maggie gets fridged by issue 30 now.
I did. The plot itself was pretty mediocre, but the art was nice, at least. I'm hesitant on giving it a full chance, really, but it's an interesting novelty.
Shin Johnpv
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This is one thing I agree with DC Editorial on. The new origin they were crafting for Killer Croc was TERRIBLE. They were really taking Batwoman and characters they were pulling into it, into this really really supernatural area. Which personally I don't think Batman's villains (and Killer Croc is a Batman villain first and foremost) need/should go in. I think it would have been better for them to craft a new villain for Batwoman.
Forever Evil was SOOO FUCKING GOOD. While I haven't read all of the villain stories so far, I have to say the new origin for Cyborg Superman is pretty fucking killer.
I'd imagine they'll get reprinted at some point, but knowing Marvel it'll probably be a while. I've been after both and was lucky enough to get the Astonishing X-Men omnibus from eBay a few months ago for a very reasonable price, just over £10 more than it cost brand new when Amazon had it in stock. Every time I've seen the Ultimates on eBay it's been £125+, I love that series but that's way too expensive.
BenjaminBirdie
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How is that a valid line of reasoning when Batwoman opted out of both major Batman crossovers?
Anyway, regardless of any of that, the fact that DC went toe to toe with JHWIII is mind boggling. It'd be like picking a fight with Frank Quitely. Why would you ever close that door?
Astonishing.
Anyway, looks like the story will be going away quietly with little attention.
Serpentine
Banned
Seriously. With a guy that fucking good and talented, why totally screw up what he's doing? I guess he's still doing Sandman for them, though.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
I need a show, I need figures, I need merchandise.
The writing in Batwoman was never good. It was JH Williams art and Amy Reeder. Stop blaming your shortcomings as a writer on a non-isse, you are not a comics superstar Haden.
And hey why give away Croc's origins for free in Batwoman when surely Snyder can craft it into an 18 issue long Bat crossover for the ages!
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
Man, I'm still mad about what they did to Renee. Rucka spends the best part of a decade making her one of DC's best characters and then bam, fuck you readers. DC editorial is a damn joke this past few years, utterly idiotic.
Shin Johnpv
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I would glad take that over a silly Mother of Monsters supernatural origin story for him.
I'll even start it for him!
Page one panel one:
"My father once told me that monsters are not born, but created. Until I first encountered Waylon Jones, the Killer Croc, I had no idea how wrong he was!"
As far as the Killer Crock origin thing goes I can see them not wanting that, turning him supernatural would limit the sort of stuff writers could do with him they should have just come up with a new character to do that with.
However the marriage thing is fucking stupid as all holy hell. Marvel just had a gay marriage in an x-men book and it went over just fine.
Seriously though, I wouldn't be shocked if Crock is going to see some use in Zero Year. I mean the city gets turned into a jungle for crying out loud.
However the marriage thing is fucking stupid as all holy hell. Marvel just had a gay marriage in an x-men book and it went over just fine.
Seriously though, I wouldn't be shocked if Crock is going to see some use in Zero Year. I mean the city gets turned into a jungle for crying out loud.
Shin Johnpv
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I'll agree it is pretty dumb, specially since DC has a married gay couple in Vibe. Like I said the only aspect of that stuff I can agree with is not making Croc supernatural.
I'd love to hear the other side of the story. The REAL other side of the story, not the PR answer you'd get out of them.
Editors are there to reign in writers, or prevent them from fucking things up in the larger universe. Obviously not everything that was stopped here was about that for sure. Like I said only thing I see in those lines is the Killer Croc thing. So it'd be interesting to know what their thoughts are behind this.
I'm more surprised that the suits at DC Entertainment looked at Harras Era editorial at Marvel in the 90s and decided that's the way they wanted to go with DC Comics 20 years later. Is anyone surprised that there is so much editorial interference/control at DC right now when Harras was the king of that during his Marvel days?
Mark Waid on Bob Harras circa 2000 said:
I dunno, it could be they were pushing the Croc thing a lot harder than they've been letting on and that was it. If that wasn't it then DC's editorial department really needs a new batch of editors. I mean jeeze.
Either Williams or Haden said on Twitter that it wasn't gay marriage DC objected to, just marriage in general.
I'm pretty sure Arthur and Mera are the only married heroes in the current DCU.
Unless they were planning on killing her off during an event or something I don't get that.
Manmademan
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Everything seems to be pointing to a reboot (or maybe "reorganization" is a better word) of the marvel multiverse.
Age of ultron seems to be the starting point, with Doom's time platform being used to screw with time, repeatedly. All New Xmen points out that this particular device messes with time in a unique way. All other time travel attempts simply create splinter realities, this one doesn't.
Age of ultron ends with misuse of the platform seriously damaging space time as a whole.
from A post AOU interview with brevoort.
All New Xmen starts with Beast using the time platform to grab the original 5 xmen for a really, really stupid reason. Especially so considering he's fully aware of what happened with Age of Ultron. All new Xmen leads into Battle of the Atom, in which we learn that if any of the teen incarnations of the original 5 are killed in any way, current continuity gets badly damaged. (i.e. cyclops disappearing from reality completely).
Jean is currently also getting more powerful very rapidly- she already has access to powers she shouldn't have had until she was in her twenties, and it's implied/stated that Xavier probably won't be able to mindwipe her even if she DOES go back. One way or another Jean's character and continuity will be permanently changed by ANXM/BOA.
BOTA continues with xmen from the future using the time platform AGAIN and coming to the present, saying the future is screwed because of the actions of the original 5. As we've seen before, using that platform can damage reality...badly.
Over in Superior Spiderman, We have Alchemax in 2099 finding that reality is breaking down because of what's going on in 616 right now. Tyler Stone is being erased from reality, and if he goes, Spiderman 2099 goes and likely 2099 itself along with it. (as no stone means no alchemax as we understand it, and alchemax under stone's leadership was responsible for pretty much everything in 2099).
That arc can lead to two possible outcomes- either spiderman 2099 manages to fix everything without complications and return to 2099 safe and sound (hilariously unlikely) or 2099 itself as a continuity is wiped out, with spiderman 2099 remaining a resident of 616, or killed/eliminated. The second is much, much more likely, as 2099 itself becomes problematic the longer marvel goes without "fixing" it. at conception it ("the future of the marvel universe") was a little more than 100 years away. Now it''s about 85. 15 more years (not that long in the grand scheme of things) and it'll be 70. Any earlier and the radical changes that have occurred become impossible/implausible and marvel is put in a very awkward position. It's not going to survive long term.
The Ultimate universe is DOA..marvel is wiping it out somehow. 616 Galactus is over there now, and we know that the Avengers and Ultimates will come to a head next year because of reasons. Ultimate spiderman will be rolled into 616, but the ultimate universe as a separate continuity is just going to be gone. There are VERY few things that can wipe out an entire continuity completely, and it's going to be a big event. Odds of it being related to AOU and all this time business are pretty high.
Infinity I'm less clear on- the damage to the multiverse has something to do with it, but the event doesn't revolve around it per se. I've just started reading it and really have no clue what the builders are doing or why they're wiping out planets.
HOWEVER, Thanos is currently on earth. The infinity gems are gone and shattered...with one exception. Guess which one? If you said "the time gem", give yourself a cookie. The time gem is going to reappear at some point during infinity, meaning someone in 616 gets infinite control over time, or very close to it. With the retcons done to the infinity gems over the past decade or so I'm not entirely certain as to how powerful it really is, though.
Xmen legacy getting canceled is new to me (if indeed it is), but as an "alternate universe" continuity having it around post restructure would be problematic anyway.
So there you have it- marvel is clearly on a path to restructure and/or wipe out a big chunk of the multiverse across their largest titles. I don't think they'll go full on "flashpoint" or "new 52" as DC did, but a simplification of the current status quo is inevitable.
Can't have anything that may overshadow the Supes/WW relationship!!
Seriously though, do any of the other heroes even have romantic interests? They broke Hal and Carol up as soon as Johns left GL, things aren't looking good for Barry and Patty, from what I understand Simone fridged Babs love interest, Hawkman and Hawkgirl aren't even on the same Earth. I guess there's Xanadu and Deadman in JLD kinda?
The N52 effectively OMD'd the entire DCU.
slightconfuse
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BOTA:
Batman blac and white wa a awesome pick it up .
Infinity was a little slow but that revaluation will be amaizng. Might go back and read Hickmans FF for some hints
will result in a wolverine/jean team up book that only me and spike will by believe !!
Suck it superman/wonder woman
Suck it superman/wonder woman
Batman blac and white wa a awesome pick it up .
Infinity was a little slow but that revaluation will be amaizng. Might go back and read Hickmans FF for some hints
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Yes, editorial does (and should) have the ability to overrule creators if necessary, but that's not the issue. It's last-minute changes to previously approved storylines that are the problem - Williams is hardly the first to complain of this.
Johns is writing them and Johns loves Mera. So she (and the marriage) should be safe.
Manmademan
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unlikely. BOTA implies that
wolverine has died by the time of the future xmen. Kitty embraces him like she hasn't seen him in a VERY long time. "adult" Jean therefore wouldn't have had any kind of background with him- at least not the kind that OG Jean did. especially considering teenage jean having any kind of relationship with current era wolverine would just be creepy. marvel won't go there.
besides, this whole thing is leading towards re-establishing the jean/cyclops dynamic. Jean tried to deny her future by pursuing hank, but it was clear when shit hit the fan that cyclops' feelings for her were simply deeper. Scott followed her over the abyss without question. hank chose scientific curiosity over her. As someone else pointed out, it's not an accident that scott and emma were broken up right before jean grey is reintroduced.
besides, this whole thing is leading towards re-establishing the jean/cyclops dynamic. Jean tried to deny her future by pursuing hank, but it was clear when shit hit the fan that cyclops' feelings for her were simply deeper. Scott followed her over the abyss without question. hank chose scientific curiosity over her. As someone else pointed out, it's not an accident that scott and emma were broken up right before jean grey is reintroduced.
slightconfuse
Banned
Maybe I'm crazy but a new team on batwomen is the worst thing . I found the book to be slow as molasses
I meant killing off Batwoman.
slightconfuse
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BOTA:
FUCK CYCLOPS he don't deserve a goddess like jean
I didn't read AOU, but how did they steal Doom's time machine?
Ah gotcha.
BenjaminBirdie
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Wow, I guess Thanos Rising really was important.
GrandHarrier
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Kyle x Carol BELIEVE.
Kyle x Sora Natu for life
Based on his past history, doesn't a Kyle x Carol relationship pretty much guarantee Carol will die horribly?
Manmademan
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No clue. Nick Fury had it, and didn't elaborate on how. He also had the ultimate nullifier, with just as much explanation.
Nick Fury stole it somehow and kept it in his secret bunker in the Savage Land.
KoruptData
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Legend of The Dark Knight spoiler for those who are not going to read it.
Batman needs Mr. J.
A 60-70 yo Bruce Wayne suffering from nightmares, being alone, not being able to cope not being the Batman, living in a bright Gotham visits Alfreds grave. Explains that he cant handle a normal life. Graphically slits his own throat with a razor in the bathroom, smashes his head against the mirror and laughs like the Joker and the reflection shows his bloody face looking like the Joker.
GrandHarrier
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. There is a place for the short form, one shot story telling that they've been doing in Legends of the Dark Knight and Adventures of Superman. Don't have to worry about continuity. Just timeless tales of those characters. So many characters should receive that treatment.
Basically, what I am saying is give me Booster Gold Time Adventures.
Why must you taunt me with things that will never be?
Spike Spiegel
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Dynamite is getting into the "Artist's Edition" prestige format... with FRANK THORNE'S RED SONJA (Bleeding Cool)
It's Dynamite. It could only be Sonja.
It's Dynamite. It could only be Sonja.
Aquaman's Undersea Capers and Adventures of the Amazing Amazon as well, please. Maybe throw in The Life and Times of the Rogues too (why should heroes have all the fun).
Freezasaurus
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Batwoman to end with issue 26...
Edit: Might have jumped the gun Haden & J.H. are leaving the book...
It might as well be ending. No Williams/Blackman, no sale.
Yes. This. Very much so.
Was looking forward to the Kate/Maggie wedding.
Thought it was just gonna be some movie cash in, but yeah guess this will turn out to be important. Wonder if it will be a character we already know.
Seriously hope this doesn't go back to Cyke/Jean. :\
Good write-up Manmademan. Makes sense since they offed a universe a few months back.
KoruptData
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Ive read the blog twice and it comes off as being egotistical. Like I said, they were not fired, they quit. They quit their "dream job" over an indifference with editorial. If they loved the character like they lead you to believe in the blog, they would have fought through the adversity. I know what you will say, "Korupt, no creator should have limitations". In some cases you may be right, but they did not create Batwoman. You want to know what have been even more creative for them? Finding a way to take the character you love, your dream job and making it work for the better of the creator and the fans. Thats creativity. Shit ill make this into a political statment. Our whole culture is shaped this way these days. We give up at the slighest bit of adversity. Everyone wants the easy way out. Im sorry, I dont see the passion and heavy hearts.
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