COMICS! |OT| September 2013 - Forever Evil (For A Month), IN 3D (where available)

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sol_bad said:
Batman 23.1
What the flying FUCK did I just read/skim through?

I only just started reading comics in April last year, so I'm not entirely knowledgeable about the media yet. I only read up to the moment where Joker decided to take a darn gorilla home, he felt so out of character and he even said "booyah", really?

Please tell me I'm not the only one who thought this was terrible and couldn't bring one's self to finish it!
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Story is much better and makes more sense if you pretend it is one of the stupid bullshit stories that he just made up.
 
sol_bad said:
Batman 23.1
What the flying FUCK did I just read/skim through?

I only just started reading comics in April last year, so I'm not entirely knowledgeable about the media yet. I only read up to the moment where Joker decided to take a darn gorilla home, he felt so out of character and he even said "booyah", really?

Please tell me I'm not the only one who thought this was terrible and couldn't bring one's self to finish it!
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Yeah, the fact that DC let Kubert put some sort of past/upbringing/origin shit in that comic is embarrassing.

Go check out the Count Vertigo issue of Green Arrow which does a villain book right and similarly has a child-with-a-shitty-mom origin, but it's actually appropriate and well done.
 
Filthy Slug said:
Yeah, the fact that DC let Kubert put some sort of past/upbringing/origin shit in that comic is embarrassing.

Go check out the Count Vertigo issue of Green Arrow which does a villain book right and similarly has a child-with-a-shitty-mom origin, but it's actually appropriate and well done.
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It's gonna be hard for anything to top Count Vertigo as my favorite Villains book.
 
i put my Black Beetle mini issues on ebay since i was going to buy them during the 99 cent digital sale.

I forgot to buy them in time.

Now i have to read the 4 issues before i ship the comics away :O
 
Seems more avertigo ahit got delayed. Suiciders by Bermejo, the Milligan series and something else.


And the Crime Syndicate figs look much better in the solicits. Not worried anymore.
 
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Daaww~
 
tim1138 said:
It's gonna be hard for anything to top Count Vertigo as my favorite Villains book.
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So far, Two-Face and Count Vertigo are my favorites. I think Two-Face's does the best job of starring a villain and letting readers' get in their heads a bit while also tying it into Forever Evil really well.

Shame that in the actual issue of Forever Evil the meeting between Scarecrow and Two-Face is nowhere near as good as in Tomasi's but whatever.
 
Filthy Slug said:
So far, Two-Face and Count Vertigo are my favorites. I think Two-Face's does the best job of starring a villain and letting readers' get in their heads a bit while also tying it into Forever Evil really well.

Shame that in the actual issue of Forever Evil the meeting between Scarecrow and Two-Face is nowhere near as good as in Tomasi's but whatever.
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I didn't read the Two-Face book, but I don't doubt Tomasi told a great story. The only Bat related Villain books I'm getting are Harley and Bane. The Bane one is mostly out of morbid curiosity to see how he's written in the N52 as I don't read the Talon book (or really any Batbook now that Inc is done).
 
Not enough Two Face stories play up the Harvey angle, the fact that he has a good side, or at least a side that believes in a type of justice. Tomasi really got that aspect.

Edit: You need to move on from Inc, Tim. It wasn't that great. You're letting yourself miss superior books/writers/stories.
 
GrandHarrier said:
Not enough Two Face stories play up the Harvey angle, the fact that he has a good side, or at least a side that believes in a type of justice. Tomasi really got that aspect.

Edit: You need to move on from Inc, Tim. It wasn't that great. You're letting yourself miss superior books/writers/stories.
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Wasn't that great......superior batbooks.

NO. NO!
 
GrandHarrier said:
Edit: You need to move on from Inc, Tim. It wasn't that great. You're letting yourself miss superior books/writers/stories.
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I know that's a sentence, but it don't make much sense.

With that said, Batman & Robin has been the best Bat-book since Inc. ended and people should check it out. The rotating cast since Damian's death has been awesome and I think there's a big Two-Face story coming up.
 
Yeah Suicid Squad 26

SUICIDE SQUAD #26
Written by MATT KINDT
Art by PATRICK ZIRCHER
Cover by STEVE SKROCE
On sale DECEMBER 11 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US • RATED T+
A FOREVER EVIL tie-in! With a murderous King Shark on her tail, Amanda Waller must go deeper into the depths of Belle Reve to free a mysterious prisoner so dangerous that only she knows of his existence! Meanwhile, it’s a battle royal between the Squad’s two Gotham City psychos: Harley Quinn and James Gordon, Jr.!

Not sure how the cover connects completely to that.
 
I don't know if I missed it but did we discuss the fact that Johns is off Aquaman?

AQUAMAN #26
Written by JEFF PARKER
Art and cover by PAUL PELLETIER and SEAN PARSONS
1:25 Variant cover by PAUL PELLETIER and SEAN PARSONS
On sale DECEMBER 31 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US • RATED T
Retailers: This issue will ship with two covers. Please see the order form for details.
“Sea of Storms” begins with the debut of new AQUAMAN writer Jeff Parker!

Johns' Aquaman has been amazing, this is kind of disappointing.
 
sillymonkey321 said:
Wasn't that great......superior batbooks.

NO. NO!
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Filthy Slug said:
I know that's a sentence, but it don't make much sense.

With that said, Batman & Robin has been the best Bat-book since Inc. ended and people should check it out. The rotating cast since Damian's death has been awesome and I think there's a big Two-Face story coming up.
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Oh, I went there. Straight up, legit opinion.

I get that people might really like it; But I don't understand the concept of that being like, the only Bat book worth reading. I mean it was just mediocre on so many levels, with subpar dirty/ugly art. I don't get what was so magical about it to people. The "resolution" was also one of the stupidest I've seen in a very long time. I really wish I could understand why some people hold it up as the gold standard. It must be a Morrison can do no wrong thing.
 
Can I just say how much I love the idea that Harley has brass knuckles that leave a "HAHA" on the face of the person she hits.
 
GrandHarrier said:
Oh, I went there. Straight up, legit opinion.

I get that people might really like it; But I don't understand the concept of that being like, the only Bat book worth reading. I mean it was just mediocre on so many levels, with subpar dirty/ugly art. I don't get what was so magical about it to people. The "resolution" was also one of the stupidest I've seen in a very long time. I really wish I could understand why some people hold it up as the gold standard. It must be a Morrison can do no wrong thing.
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I can't speak for anybody else but for me, Burnham absolutely did a fantastic job with the second half of Inc. His fights are brutal, everything's fluid, and his style meshes with Morrison's writing on this run perfectly.

The resolution reinforces the idea that Batman will always be Batman because that hole that was created by his parents dying and his oath to justice will never be filled. It's there and it's dark but it's always going to be there just like he's always going to be around in Gotham. Loose ends were tied up and the last issue calls back to the first ever Batman issue which starts with Gordon speaking to Bruce Wayne.

There's a fuckton of great symbolism and just ingenious ideas/writing strewn about all of Morrison's run that we can talk about for fucking years but at the end of the day, it was 7 years of damn good Batman books filtered through a personal story of what happens when parents fight/go through a divorce.

As for the Morrison can do no wrong--that's shit's just silly, man. Don't trivialize people who hold one of the best Batman runs as just that, one of the best damn Batman runs.

With that said, people SHOULD read more Batman books aside Morrison's run, because there's just a wealth of great Bat-stories out there.

EDIT: For fuck's sake, Morrison brought Bat-mite into his run and it wasn't goofy, it was brilliant.
 
GrandHarrier said:
Not enough Two Face stories play up the Harvey angle, the fact that he has a good side, or at least a side that believes in a type of justice. Tomasi really got that aspect.

Edit: You need to move on from Inc, Tim. It wasn't that great. You're letting yourself miss superior books/writers/stories.
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I really hope you aren't talking about Detective Comics or The Dark Knight.
 
GrandHarrier said:
Edit: You need to move on from Inc, Tim. It wasn't that great. You're letting yourself miss superior books/writers/stories.
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I had a long response typed up to this and then Filthy Slug beat me to it. So what he said counts for me as well.

Internet high five Filthy Slug!

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And to be fair I tried Snyder's run with the Owls stuff and while it looked good, the actual story and writing bored me to tears.
 
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Kathy Kane like, teleports into the batcave, plugs Talia from across the room and like... I don't know... acid trips her way out of it? It's just so fucking stupid. She somehow gets across the Bat Cave to grab the box and disappear without like, anyone doing anything to stop her? Because uhm, reasons?

It's almost as incoherent as his Action Comics run which I still don't I understand. Maybe if I was perma-fried I might be able to reach the same level of enlightenment or whatever. But, I just don't get it.

Dysun said:
I really hope you aren't talking about Detective Comics or The Dark Knight.
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No. More talking Snyder / Tomasi and some of the Legends of the Dark Knight stories.

Edit: Also, to clarify, Morrison on Batman and Robin pre-New 52 is pretty good. But anything "Inc" related is what I don't get or like.
 
Saga

Elephant Men

MAYBE East of West.

I'm currently getting caught up with Elephant Men--accidentally stumbled into it with Issue 50 and fell in love.
 
GrandHarrier said:
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Kathy Kane like, teleports into the batcave, plugs Talia from across the room and like... I don't know... acid trips her way out of it? It's just so fucking stupid. She somehow gets across the Bat Cave to grab the box and disappear without like, anyone doing anything to stop her? Because uhm, reasons?

It's almost as incoherent as his Action Comics run which I still don't I understand. Maybe if I was perma-fried I might be able to reach the same level of enlightenment or whatever. But, I just don't get it.



No. More talking Snyder / Tomasi and some of the Legends of the Dark Knight stories.

Edit: Also, to clarify, Morrison on Batman and Robin pre-New 52 is pretty good. But anything "Inc" related is what I don't get or like.
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I just read batman inc 12 and 13 to conclude the run, i have to read it all over again from the beginning to make the ending better. Morrison
introduced that Kane character a long time ago,
so it probably makes sense, just not to me since it feels like a year since i read that issue. It probably was a year since that issue came out.
 
So with his exit from Aquaman, Johns only has two books lined up for next year (one of which ends in March). So the only logical conclusion is that next year he'll be launching Shazam and Team Blue and Gold (Booster Gold & Blue Beetle), right? It seems perfectly logical to me, especially considering a few panels from Forever Evil #1.
 
GrandHarrier said:
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Kathy Kane like, teleports into the batcave, plugs Talia from across the room and like... I don't know... acid trips her way out of it? It's just so fucking stupid. She somehow gets across the Bat Cave to grab the box and disappear without like, anyone doing anything to stop her? Because uhm, reasons?


Edit: Also, to clarify, Morrison on Batman and Robin pre-New 52 is pretty good. But anything "Inc" related is what I don't get or like.
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She knows all about Bruce and the Batcave, meng. There's that Kathy Kane issue from the first Inc. run that explains all that. So, it's not shocking that she'd be able to get into the Batcave while Bats is poisoned and fighting for Gotham/his life in a badass sword fight against Talia. As for grabbing the box, it's comics...you don't need to show her walking to the box as Bats and Jason reel over Talia just being shot in the head.

It seems like you're being super nitpicky and just want to dislike it because you don't like Morrison and want to fight anything that he's put out. There's ALOT to take in with his Batman run and it all culminates with Inc, so it's understandable that applying 7 years of built-up storylines is going to be confusing at times, overwhelming at others, but really, if you've stuck around and just talk about it with others/refresh your memory, it really is a damn fine story that makes sense.

Also, you're using the "woah, Morrison's a wacky, trippy, brain-fried, bro" defense, and that shit is old and piss-poor, duder. And yrah, his Action Comics run stunk as a whole, but it still gave us 2-3 of the best Superman issues out there (Earth- 23 President Supes and the Krypto issue).
 
KoruptData said:
What is the best detective type story from Batman in everyones opinion?
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Look to stories by Dennis O'Neil, Doug Moench, Ed Brubaker and Greg Rucka, and Matt Wagner. There's also an annual written by Mark Waid in the 80s that people praise.

If you're looking for "detective" stories a bit more modern, sorry; those don't exist.
 
Filthy Slug said:
I can't speak for anybody else but for me, Burnham absolutely did a fantastic job with the second half of Inc. His fights are brutal, everything's fluid, and his style meshes with Morrison's writing on this run perfectly.

The resolution reinforces the idea that Batman will always be Batman because that hole that was created by his parents dying and his oath to justice will never be filled. It's there and it's dark but it's always going to be there just like he's always going to be around in Gotham. Loose ends were tied up and the last issue calls back to the first ever Batman issue which starts with Gordon speaking to Bruce Wayne.

There's a fuckton of great symbolism and just ingenious ideas/writing strewn about all of Morrison's run that we can talk about for fucking years but at the end of the day, it was 7 years of damn good Batman books filtered through a personal story of what happens when parents fight/go through a divorce.

As for the Morrison can do no wrong--that's shit's just silly, man. Don't trivialize people who hold one of the best Batman runs as just that, one of the best damn Batman runs.

With that said, people SHOULD read more Batman books aside Morrison's run, because there's just a wealth of great Bat-stories out there.

EDIT: For fuck's sake, Morrison brought Bat-mite into his run and it wasn't goofy, it was brilliant.
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amen Morrison run was amazing. really good with his themes.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
Look to stories by Dennis O'Neil, Doug Moench, Ed Brubaker and Greg Rucka, and Matt Wagner. There's also an annual written by Mark Waid in the 80s that people praise.

If you're looking for "detective" stories a bit more modern, sorry; those don't exist.
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Denny O'Neil doesn't get enough love here, he wrote some great stories back in the late 60s and 70s.
 
I like to think a lot of Morrison's run is a detective story. It loses something when you're not reading it month to month, but there's plenty of things you can try to piece together to see how everything fits before the respective climaxes.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
If you're looking for "detective" stories a bit more modern, sorry; those don't exist.
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I'd argue that Snyder's Black Mirror is a great modern detective story. Especially Gordon's story within it. There's a lot of nice pulpy moments and even some horror influences that creep in, but I still think it qualifies as a detective story. It doesn't hurt that it's still the best Bats story Snyder has done either.

Also, I should read more Denny O'Neil Batman stories. I know that all the writers' whose Batman stories I love looked up to that dude's Batman stories, so I think it's time to dive into those.
 
ViewtifulJC said:
I like to think a lot of Morrison's run is a detective story. It loses something when you're not reading it month to month, but there's plenty of things you can try to piece together to see how everything fits before the respective climaxes.
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That was the beauty of Morrison's Batman, he was all of the characterizations of Batman. He was a detective, a globe trotter, a swashbuckler, Bruce as a playboy, and so on. He was able to maintain everything that makes Batman a compelling character without resorting to the "grim dark" crutch. Which isn't to say his Batman didn't get dark, because it did, but it still remained fun.
 
tim1138 said:
So with his exit from Aquaman, Johns only has two books lined up for next year (one of which ends in March). So the only logical conclusion is that next year he'll be launching Shazam and Team Blue and Gold (Booster Gold & Blue Beetle), right? It seems perfectly logical to me, especially considering a few panels from Forever Evil #1.
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We've definitely agreed on the Shazam point. It seems like the most logical. But even with certain revelations, I'm not ready to commit myself to being too enthusiastic about the possibility of a new Booster Gold / Blue Beetle duo title. But, man, if that double whammy of awesome wouldn't be just the best damn way to start out 2014.
 
GrandHarrier said:
Oh, I went there. Straight up, legit opinion.

I get that people might really like it; But I don't understand the concept of that being like, the only Bat book worth reading. I mean it was just mediocre on so many levels, with subpar dirty/ugly art. I don't get what was so magical about it to people. The "resolution" was also one of the stupidest I've seen in a very long time. I really wish I could understand why some people hold it up as the gold standard. It must be a Morrison can do no wrong thing.
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Fully agree with you on so many levels. Tomasi's Batman and Robin and Synder's Batman were leagues above Morrisons Inc. I personally think when the Morrison love fest phase dies down people will look back on it differently. Inc in general both before and after the reboot was just poor IMHO.
 
Shin Johnpv said:
Fully agree with you on so many levels. Tomasi's Batman and Robin and Synder's Batman were leagues above Morrisons Inc. I personally think when the Morrison love fest phase dies down people will look back on it differently. Inc in general both before and after the reboot was just poor IMHO.
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There was no Morrison Love Fest for Action Comics so I don't see your logic.
 
Shin Johnpv said:
Fully agree with you on so many levels. Tomasi's Batman and Robin and Synder's Batman were leagues above Morrisons Inc. I personally think when the Morrison love fest phase dies down people will look back on it differently. Inc in general both before and after the reboot was just poor IMHO.
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You're right, this 20+ year "love-fest" needs to go away.

I could at least see some of the logic in what GrandHarrier was trying to say. Here...not a fucking ounce.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
There was no Morrison Love Fest for Action Comics so I don't see your logic.
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BULLSHIT. When that started during the first 4 - 5 issues this board had a ragging hard on for it that made NO SENSE. Add in the President Superman issue that popped up out of no where in the middle of a story arc but people defended that too.
 
Shin Johnpv said:
BULLSHIT. When that started during the first 4 - 5 issues this board had a ragging hard on for it that made NO SENSE. Add in the President Superman issue that popped up out of no where in the middle of a story arc but people defended that too.
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There were like three people reading the book at that point. Where is this "love fest"? Everyone dropped the book by #3 didn't they?

Anyway, lol, a "love fest" isn't four people sticking around after the first four issues.

That is NOT the same reception Inc ever got.
 
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