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[Lain]

That feel when there's a set in Brayflox that you want and won't be able to have.

I saw the Infantry shirt last night. God, it's cool looking. I then saw there's an Infantry Skirt as well, and saw the entire loot list from Brayflox.

What the fuck? EVERY TIME we do dungeon runs, there is two to three pieces of caster loot. I did get the infantry belt, but in the two times we've run Brayflox so far, it's been five pieces of caster gear, four pieces of tank gear, and my infantry belt.

Are we just unlucky?

I did Brayflox a lot, and I mean a lot, to get the caster set. In all my runs, I saw 3 or 4 robes, 3 legs, 2 hats, 3 belts, 2 boots, 1 gloves. It was always either tank gear or dps gear (with the poor Dragoons or Lancers, I don't remember exaclty, unable to Need on the mail items).
So yeah, just bad luck.

 

[Teknoman]

I can understand if everyone has been through before, and are just doing it for gear or items...but jeez. You'd think the FF community would be abit more geared towards story.

Then again, in FFXI i got hounded a bunch for skipping scenes. I think the timer still ran during the scenes or something though. Timers are pretty generous here though.

 

[Alucrid]

castrum is story dungeon
castrum speed run in about 30 mins for 100 philo
castrum no queue time

if they were actually good they'd do 2 ak runs in 30 for 160 tomes. with wait times it probably evens out depending on the time of day. if this patch fixes it then no excuses for them i guess.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I watched all Castrum cs, I was never ever close to being killed...maybe if no one skipped cs it wouldn't be a problem in the first place...

The people who are grinding Castrum for tomestones aren't going to watch the cutscenes.

Normally I would tell people to stop grinding story dungeons like Castrum for drops when they can just speedrun AK instead for both Philosophy and Mythology tomestones, but right now the AK instance always has a long wait even for full parties and there is a cap of 300 Mythology per week. So after you've capped off your Mythology for the week I can see many good reasons to go and speedrun Castrum instead, since you get 100 Philosophy instead of 80 and it's braindead easy compared to AK to run flawlessly.

 

[Ken]

if they were actually good they'd do 2 ak runs in 30 for 160 tomes. barring wait times.

of course but like you said, barring wait times

 

[Teknoman]

Fuck out of here with that nonsense.

Seriously, since using DF you'll most likely run into first timers more often than not.

The people who are grinding Castrum for tomestones aren't going to watch the cutscenes.

Normally I would tell people to stop grinding story dungeons like Castrum for drops when they can just speedrun AK instead for both Philosophy and Mythology tomestones, but right now the AK instance always has a long wait even for full parties and there is a cap of 300 Mythology per week. So after you've capped off your Mythology for the week I can see many good reasons to go and speedrun Castrum instead, since you get 100 Philosophy instead of 80 and it's braindead easy compared to AK to run flawlessly.

In that case they should shout for a speed run...or get an FC or LS party together.

 

[Alucrid]

of course but like you said, barring wait times

caught my edit, but if everything goes well today it shouldn't be an issue any more

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

The people who are grinding Castrum for tomestones aren't going to watch the cutscenes.

Normally I would tell people to stop grinding story dungeons like Castrum for drops when they can just speedrun AK instead for both Philosophy and Mythology tomestones, but right now the AK instance always has a long wait even for full parties and there is a cap of 300 Mythology per week. So after you've capped off your Mythology for the week I can see many good reasons to go and speedrun Castrum instead, since you get 100 Philosophy instead of 80 and it's braindead easy compared to AK to run flawlessly.

If you want to speed run Castrum don't use DF then. Simple as that.

If there are new people doing it for story then they should deal with it, is not like they are that long. Or as I said, don't use DF.

 

[STAB-Gatekeeper]

Finished the story last night before bed. Wow just wow.

I find it funny that after all the cutscenes and the credits and then more cutscenes the game remembers its an MMO and gives you more quests. I swear the whole thing was playing out like I'd never have do anything ever again. Excited to see where they take the story next.

Couldn't do anything on my 50 after that because most of my gear was broken and I didn't want to repair till the repair cost fix came in. So I ran a few dungeons on my lancer, finished off the Foestrikers set, looks pretty cool and for a level 15 set its still better than anything I've found at 23. Will be good for my archer as well.

Current plans are to get all my DoW classes to 30 so I can get the Tales of War achievement, and then eventually to 50 so I can get the Warmonger title. Someone in my FC suggested the best way to do it is to do fates on your lower level classes while queued for 50 dungeons, seems like a smart way to break up the Fate grind.

What is peoples suggestions for dungeon progression? Should I jump into AK so I can get access to the Grand company weapons? or should I gear up a bit first? Haven't run Aurum Vale yet, so I'm still rocking a lvl 45 weapon. Maybe I should do that first and hope I get lucky with a drop.

 

[Mandoric]

If you want to speed run Castrum don't use DF then. Simple as that.

If there are new people doing it for story then they should deal with it, is not like they are that long. Or as I said, don't use DF.

"Stop playing it how I don't play it!" is dumb from either side. If you're constantly running into groups that want to skip, that means they're constantly running into each other and having one big skipfest too.

 

[Ken]

A setting on Duty Finder that lets you find parties that want to experience the cutscenes and parties that want to go through dungeon without cutscenes would help, but then that might lengthen search times even more by splitting the searchable population so I can see reasons for not having it.

 

[erawsd]

I played MMOs for some 9 odd years now and while toxicity is always something to be expected (yes, even without cross server tools), the abundance that I've seen posted about for ARR is genuinely perplexing.

Yeah, maybe I'm just lucky but out of the 50+ dungeon/Primal runs I've made I can only recall 2 where anyone has been really belligerent. Once during Praetorium where the Bard tried to rush us through cutscenes, though everyone else turned against him. And once during an AK where at the start the tank decided we cant kill the wall with AF but he'll try anyway...

Spoiler

we 3 shot the wall, first death was because he didnt pick up either bee and they killed the healer

 

[mapachealocado]

I'm only up to Haukke Manor but I think I've had good experiences with DF. One wasn't that good but nowhere near what some of you are experiencing...

The first dungeon an archer marked enemies, explained the bosses... It was really good. The second one the DPS guys just went at it with every mob and I couldn't keep up healing them and me. I ended up leaving because they gave more attention to getting loot from treasure chests than the fact that I was getting mobbed.

The rest of the dungeons have been with a friend and we usually get more people who also are playing it for the first time. Other than a THM not really knowing how to use Umbral Ice and minor stuff like that they've been pretty good. We planned strategies or someone who had run that dungeon before told us how things worked...

If I ever run into rude people like the ones you describe I'd just leave. I really don't care about the 15-20 minute penalty. I'm there to have fun, help each other out and experience the story. If someone doesn't like that then fuck it, I can look for someone else.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

"Stop playing it how I don't play it!" is dumb from either side. If you're constantly running into groups that want to skip, that means they're constantly running into each other and having one big skipfest too.

People has the right to watch the cs in their first time, that's how the game was designed. If people has a problem with that, there are other option when they can avoid that.

Most people doing it for the story may lack a FC or friends to play with, so DF is probably their only choice. If you're farming tombstones after 2 weeks in the game, I'm sure DF is just the laziest option you have, not the only one. If you pick DF the accept the possible consequences, way better than ruining the day to other people.

 

[Tarazet]

If you want to speed run Castrum don't use DF then. Simple as that.

If there are new people doing it for story then they should deal with it, is not like they are that long. Or as I said, don't use DF.

Yeah, I haven't run into any of those insensitive assholes yet but I certainly would not let that fly.

 

[Cmagus]

I too could tell a few horror histories. And I will be the first to admit that I made some big silly mistakes and in Chimera fight without going that far, but following the leveling path made me learn the basics behind tanking or of the game. I think, as you said, is some people is really lacking.

From BRDs not following the silence rotation to other fellow PLD that asked to be on Stun duty only to miss every Ram's Voice because it's "GCD was down". I think Chimera is the first battle in which all ppl have to do their job and they can't fuck up. And that's when the shit happens, more or less you can be dragged to the end of the game with other good people doing most of the work, but when a fight also depends of you, that's when ppl hits a wall. The problem is that, at that point, there's basically no content in which they can learn to play properlly unless the manage to get into a very good and supportive FC...

I don't know maybe I came off as dickish but I mean with only limited time to play I just hate wasting it wiping over the simplest things. Every run today was just unreal something as simple as don't go in the middle was like the hardest concept I guess. Then that turns into party fighting and rage quitting and then it goes to hell from there.

I guess it just takes practice and maybe I need to be abit more patient and I normally am very patient and I try to be as incredibly helpful as i can be. I was just really frustrated the last few days with things I'll get over it lol. Maybe I am just expecting th community to be like 1.0 where it was much smaller and alot of people new each other and I guess until alot of newer people weed out its gonna be rough for awhile.

Some high level players want a votekick feature for cutscenes? Give me a break! Dont use duty finder if you're going to go for some blitz run through a dungeon or primal battle.

They really need to take the tomes out of the story missions. They should just increase them in places like the Wanderer's Palace and such.

 

[Alucrid]

Question, what does a relatively fast full clear of AK actually take?

 

[Tarazet]

I don't know maybe I came off as dickish but I mean with only limited time to play I just hate wasting it wiping over the simplest things. Every run today was just unreal something as simple as don't go in the middle was like the hardest concept I guess. Then that turns into party fighting and rage quitting and then it goes to hell from there.

I always try to avoid pugging when the content is brand new. Always. Later in the game's life cycle when people are on their 5th class to 50, I expect it will be safer to pug. The dungeons aren't any harder than the ones in SW:ToR and pugging those wasn't a problem after a few months.

 

[Ken]

Question, what does a relatively fast full clear of AK actually take?

Under 20 minutes probably?

 

[Alucrid]

Under 20 minutes probably?

No, not speed run, like clearing all the trash. I've only done speed runs so I'm trying to see what the numbers would be like if they disallowed speed runs.

 

[tiltnkirby]

What is peoples suggestions for dungeon progression? Should I jump into AK so I can get access to the Grand company weapons? or should I gear up a bit first? Haven't run Aurum Vale yet, so I'm still rocking a lvl 45 weapon. Maybe I should do that first and hope I get lucky with a drop.

Get yourself a level 50 weapon or jump into Aurum vale/Wanderer's/Ifrit HM. After picking up a few pieces of gear, you can do AK without having to worry about the scorn of duty finder.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

I don't know maybe I came off as dickish but I mean with only limited time to play I just hate wasting it wiping over the simplest things. Every run today was just unreal something as simple as don't go in the middle was like the hardest concept I guess. Then that turns into party fighting and rage quitting and then it goes to hell from there.

I guess it just takes practice and maybe I need to be abit more patient and I normally am very patient and I try to be as incredibly helpful as i can be. I was just really frustrated the last few days with things I'll get over it lol. Maybe I am just expecting th community to be like 1.0 where it was much smaller and alot of people new each other and I guess until alot of newer people weed out its gonna be rough for awhile.

No, I can understand that feeling, after 3 days of trying to do Chimera I felt like I was stuck, yeah I was doing Ifrit and with luck AK too, but still I was being hold on what I was trying to achieve. Wipe and wipe I was feeling more and more frsutrated, but I didn't to let it go with some of the people I mentioned, because after all I'm sure they're trying their best too.

I try to explain things and I try to not make ppl feel bad, because other people will probably be very hard with some of them and I don't want to be one of them. I hope most of them will manage to learn the ins and outs of the game, because I'm sure they will enjoy it way more.

 

[Teletraan1]

They should have learned from SWTOR about the cut-scene in dungeon thing. The behavior towards them was just as vile there. I watch them the first time no matter what. I am not going to bend to the will of some impatient person flipping out on the internet. I skip them the next time unless they are cool lol.

 

[erawsd]

No, not speed run, like clearing all the trash.

It really depends on your skill/gear of your DPS. The average group trying to clear everything is probably going to take 45min - 1hr.

 

[STAB-Gatekeeper]

Get yourself a level 50 weapon or jump into Aurum vale/Wanderer's/Ifrit HM. After picking up a few pieces of gear, you can do AK without having to worry about the scorn of duty finder.

Ok thanks. Yeah I certainly don't want to pull a group down because I haven't done my due diligence. Just seems weird they lock the GC weapons behind finishing AK, when everyone I've talked to said to get your GC weapon as soon as you hit 50.

 

[Kaldea]

My first experience with Castrum was terrible. I was one of two new people and they complained at us for wanting to watch the cutscenes. I ended up just skipping them to keep up but the other guy kept watching them. They made fun of him like crazy the entire time and didn't bother filling us in on what was going on strategy-wise. I actually got lost after they used Return and took off somewhere at one point and they didn't bother answering my questions.

My first AK run was pretty bad too (speed runners "LOL"ing and giving up on the group when one or two people die on a boss), but not nearly as bad as Castrum. Ended up with a really great group after that.

Kinda shy about doing any new level 50 instances now, even after reading up on them because it feels like everyone's patience is gone. :/

 

[Cmagus]

My first experience with Castrum was terrible. I was one of two new people and they complained at us for wanting to watch the cutscenes. I ended up just skipping them to keep up but the other guy kept watching them. They made fun of him like crazy the entire time and didn't bother filling us in on what was going on strategy-wise. I actually got lost after they used Return and took off somewhere at one point and they didn't bother answering my questions.

My first AK run was pretty bad too (speed runners "LOL"ing and giving up on the group when one or two people die on a boss), but not nearly as bad as Castrum. Ended up with a really great group after that.

Kinda shy about doing any new level 50 instances now, even after reading up on them because it feels like everyone's patience is gone. :/

Yeah I can imagine it would be frustrating. The few people I've been running with and farming tomes with have just been waiting or just watching cutscenes as well out of respect for the newer people doing it. We got tired of the crap from alot of the douches as well so we just decided to do it to piss them off lol. It just gives us time to plan our FC events and stuff during the long ones.

 

[Robobandit]

People who are impatient and hateful towards people that make mistakes will move on to the higher level content and people who aren't assholes will get to level 50 in the coming weeks.

 

[rykomatsu]

interesting...since the realms are down and my replacement PC is ready, decided to rebenchmark.

Core i5-650
Radeon 7950
ARR Benchmark: 3700 @ 1080p max settings

Core i7-4770
Radeon 7950
ARR Benchmark: 8070 @ 1440p max settings

I never got the feeling that this was such a CPU intensive game...almost seems like something might have been wrong with my old system?

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Ok thanks. Yeah I certainly don't want to pull a group down because I haven't done my due diligence. Just seems weird they lock the GC weapons behind finishing AK, when everyone I've talked to said to get your GC weapon as soon as you hit 50.

Fortunately you can just join an Ifrit HM group instead, if you're a DPS you're one among 4 and no one will care if you aren't generating MAD DEEPS YO as long as you learn the fight and don't die. Get your Ifrit weapon and you'll be good to go for running AK.

interesting...since the realms are down and my replacement PC is ready, decided to rebenchmark.

Core i5-650
Radeon 7950
ARR Benchmark: 3700 @ 1080p max settings

Core i7-4770
Radeon 7950
ARR Benchmark: 8070 @ 1440p max settings

I never got the feeling that this was such a CPU intensive game...almost seems like something might have been wrong with my old system?

This game is extremely CPU-bound. Extremely. Most MMOs are.

That said, your score was way too low for your old machine.

 

[Ferrio]

interesting...since the realms are down and my replacement PC is ready, decided to rebenchmark.

Core i5-650
Radeon 7950
ARR Benchmark: 3700 @ 1080p max settings

Core i7-4770
Radeon 7950
ARR Benchmark: 8070 @ 1440p max settings

I never got the feeling that this was such a CPU intensive game...almost seems like something might have been wrong with my old system?

Ya something was wrong with your old system.

 

[QisTopTier]

Fortunately you can just join an Ifrit HM group instead, if you're a DPS you're one among 4 and no one will care if you aren't generating MAD DEEPS YO as long as you learn the fight and don't die. Get your Ifrit weapon and you'll be good to go for running AK.

If your duty finder doesnt have a smn or blm then having shit weapons HURTS BAD. People should at least get the GC 49 weapon or the WP darklight weapon

 

[STAB-Gatekeeper]

Thinking of setting up a GAF linkshell on Leviathan, so that we can chat and can get runs going without using DF. Will post details once I can get in game and set it up.

 

[FlyFaster]

everything I've done people have been nice.

The only assholes I've met have been the gil sellers.

 

[gribbles]

So why does GLD/PLD use a pissy little dagger instead of a big manly sword?

 

[Unknown Soldier]

If your duty finder doesnt have a smn or blm then having shit weapons HURTS BAD. People should at least get the GC 49 weapon or the WP darklight weapon

Most people will probably go into an Ifrit HM DF party, look at the other players, and if they don't see a SMN or BLM they'll just leave. It's possible to use single-target LB and burn the nails one by one but I doubt your average PUG will bother. They'll just all leave and re-queue until they get a SMN or BLM.

 

[Alucrid]

Most people will probably go into an Ifrit HM DF party, look at the other players, and if they don't see a SMN or BLM they'll just leave. It's possible to use single-target LB and burn the nails one by one but I doubt your average PUG will bother. They'll just all leave and re-queue until they get a SMN or BLM.

i've done it at least 5 pugs so far.

 

[Xux]

So why does GLD/PLD use a pissy little dagger instead of a big manly sword?

Diversity.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

So why does GLD/PLD use a pissy little dagger instead of a big manly sword?

They can use both, but it's very strange to me that the class uses daggers at all, yeah. Dagger types should have been saved for the all but confirmed sneaky type classes/jobs we're bound to get.

I hope they release a new class/job or two before the expansion. It's pretty easy to level the combat classes. I already have two past 30, one past 25, and one at 23 without even trying. I imagine that everyone will easily have multiple 50s by the first patch. Gotta do something ro keep people interested!

I just don't want the game to fail.

 

[Devilgunman]

That's why I usually party with my FC to go through dungeons so I don't get pissed at when I watch cs. Everybody should have right to enjoy stories.

 

[Varna]

So why does GLD/PLD use a pissy little dagger instead of a big manly sword?

Isn't that just early on? Aren't the later weapons all long swords?

 

[STAB-Gatekeeper]

I think I got relatively lucky on my praetorium run, half the group was new to the place so we all watched the cutscenes. It does kinda suck either way, because although I wanted to enjoy the cutscenes I was also worried about keeping people waiting, so I glimpsed over most of the dialogue. The only issue we had was the tank pulled the final boss before I was done with my cutscene, but I got out with him having about 75% health left and it didn't lock me out of the fight.

By and large the group was great, once we were finished those that skipped even said "Enjoy your cutscene" before they left. I found going back to the inn room after the end and watching through the Castrum and Praetorium duty cutscenes a better experience as I wasn't rushed to finish dialogue. I get people want to experience it while its happening but having these overly long cutscenes in a dungeon that gives endgame currency that people are farming is just plain bad game design. That said don't skip the praetorium cutscenes the first time through if you can help it they setup each boss so perfectly.

 

[KuroNeeko]

Weekly maintenance during prime time seems REALLY STUPID.

For America.

It runs from 9:00 am to 7:00 pm over here. Absolutely PERFECT!

 

[lupin23rd]

Only played the story dungeons up to Totorak once each and fortunately have a problem watching the cutscenes as I wasn't the only first-timer.

Maybe make them unskippable if there is one or more players who are first timing it, and then don't have them show again. Or just make them unskippable period.

 

[Bacon_Boss]

You know, i'm not at end game yet, i'm actually very far from it(22 lol), but this situation does appear in wow from time to time. As a tank you start to understand where you place is in a group, and that's neck deep in dragon shit, headbutting satan. People can wait for me, and if they can't, i'm leaving and queing again once i've seen my cutscenes. I'll rush and accomodate people if they're good sports about it, otherwise i'm playing to enjoy myself, not listen to you whine about me enjoying myself.

 

[hamchan]

You know, i'm not at end game yet, i'm actually very far from it(22 lol), but this situation does appear in wow from time to time. As a tank you start to understand where you place is in a group, and that's neck deep in dragon shit, headbutting satan. People can wait for me, and if they can't, i'm leaving and queing again once i've seen my cutscenes. I'll rush and accomodate people if they're good sports about it, otherwise i'm playing to enjoy myself, not listen to you whine about me enjoying myself.

We tanks pretty much have all the power thanks to our short duty queue times.

 

[kingofthedead45]

My first experience with Castrum was terrible. I was one of two new people and they complained at us for wanting to watch the cutscenes. I ended up just skipping them to keep up but the other guy kept watching them. They made fun of him like crazy the entire time and didn't bother filling us in on what was going on strategy-wise. I actually got lost after they used Return and took off somewhere at one point and they didn't bother answering my questions.

My first AK run was pretty bad too (speed runners "LOL"ing and giving up on the group when one or two people die on a boss), but not nearly as bad as Castrum. Ended up with a really great group after that.

Kinda shy about doing any new level 50 instances now, even after reading up on them because it feels like everyone's patience is gone. :/

Can you see chat while cut scenes are playing on PC? They don't on ps3. I plan to sit back relax and grab a bag of pop corn when I get to that point. I won't see chat anyway so let folks bitch away. Not that I've run into any jerks in the df yet anyway. Well see doe!

 

[chrono01]

Can you see chat while cut scenes are playing on PC? They don't on ps3. I plan to sit back relax and grab a bag of pop corn when I get to that point. I won't see chat anyway so let folks bitch away. Not that I've run into any jerks in the df yet anyway. Well see doe!

Nope, you don't.

Either way, I expect to come back to a bunch of complaints clogging my chat window...but I don't care. It my first-time through a dungeon, I enjoy the story in-game, I will be watching the cut-scenes [for my initial play-through].

That's all there is to it.

 

[Ken]

No, not speed run, like clearing all the trash. I've only done speed runs so I'm trying to see what the numbers would be like if they disallowed speed runs.

My bad, I've been off FF too long to read properly.

 

[Shouta]

So putting some thought in crafting, here are list of random items I might like to have for it.

- More recipes at end game and possibly at the various low levels so jobs can customize their gear a bit more to their personal tastes. It's pretty silly that most gear has the exact same INT/MIND and barely provide Piety or other stats like Crit, etc from crafted stuff

- Use the above to maybe differentiate crafters a bit more. Create "jobs" for with further specializations or something. Without this, and considering how crafting is easy to level up, it's difficult to find a niche for oneself as folks can just come up start producing the same gear.

- Make the items related to the higher tier items like the i70s available to gatherers so crafters don't have to run dungeons to gain access to those materials. It's dumb that you need tomes to buy it because it ruin the crafting/gathering ecosystem and just makes crafting weaker than it should be.

- Give converted items a chance to give multiple material in a rare critical conversion. Also lower the ilevel needed for items to make Tier IV/III a bit or make the range for which materia to come out smaller. Currently if you want to make a piece of gear similar to dropped items, you need to use TIV level materias which I believe are from items higher than i55, right? Anything beyond that ilevel suffers from the above point about tomes and this ruins the balance of crafted gear from 1.0 of being a viable alternative to dropped gear for folks.

- Let me repair other people's gear, lol

- Maybe give crafters the ability to remove materia from slots so people can try again with a certain piece? I don't think I've seen that option so it would be nice to have.

There's probably other things I'd like to see but I'm a bit tired, heh. I'll put some more thought into it later.